I know that some of you don't like Netscape (at least earlier versions of it) and don't see the point in designing your web pages for it, but I thought I'd alert you to at least one disturbing "bug" in Netscape 7.0, which is that if you put the border="0" attribute in your table anchor codes, then like with the recent versions of Mozilla, borders will appear in your web pages anyway. As an old-timer coder, I always specify border="0".

Example:

<table border="0">

There are some better supported features, like CSS2 (yes, seems stable), in the newest version, but the table border is annoying.

For more info on the new version and development tips, you can check out:

http://developer.netscape.com/

Hope this helps.
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You mean, if you don't put border="0", right? That seems like a icky design decision.

Thanks for the heads up.

- wil

Hi, Wil.

Nope, I meant as I stated, if you PUT border="0" as a table attribute, then a border will appear regardless. The only way _NOT to print a border in NS 7.0 is by _NOT including that attribute, unless, of course, you want to have a border in your tables.

Hope this makes better sense.
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Perhaps one reason why Netscape is virtually dead now.

A another shocking but predicable Netscape muck-up. Considering Netscape were the pioneers of the table elements, it continually amazes that it's this very concept they have never full supported correctly. Thanks for the info.

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I have border="0" on a bunch of my sites and they don't have a border around them on Netscape 7. I tried it with border=0 and even left it off and it still didn't put the border on it. Only way it made a border is if I set it to 1.

Weird.
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Sure that you have NS 7.0 installed? Check the version again, because all the sites I use the attribute of border="0" or border=0 DO show a border in NS 7.0. Make sure it is not an upgrade version, but a fresh install.

EDIT: It seems that border=0 without quotes like in your site doesn't put borders. However, with border="0", borders do appear.
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Do you have a demo URL I could look at?

http://www.anthrotech.com/
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Yeah I see borders.

Here is another:

http://www.paypal.com/
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I don't see them there.

Well, it does seem to be sporadic, but on quite a few of the sites I've looked at, it does put a border in the page/tables, even with border=0 or border="0" is defined.
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Can you do a style="border : none" as a workaround?

Possibly, but I don't really think there should be "work arounds". I think that one difference between the sites that do and don't show borders could deal with nested tables, which I'll have to research more.
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style=" " doesn't seem to work in earlier versions of Netscape (4.x).

It would have to be something like


And hope that stylesheets override the border=0 in the tag.

Unfortunately, that's already a pretty involved work-around. Something so simple as table borders which have been taken for granted for years shouldn't require that.

*cough* Netscape ugh *cough*

Hmm, I was thinking the same thing. This is a new version, and it is still lacking in basic standards by the looks of things.

They are like Andy...new releases every 5 minutes

LOL.

I don't find that table outline behavior at all. Border="0" shows no border in NS 7. I checked that with a copy I upgraded to on this machine, and a fresh install on my other machine.

The only truly irritating thing I've found in NS 7.0 so far is that it doesn't support my "back" mouse button. I use that thing all the time while surfing.

Really? Did ya check out the URL I provided above?

http://www.anthrotech.com/

It may also deal with the following issues:

1) Nested tables
2) Utilization of SSI directives (like include virtual) that may put a break in the codes between tables.

Haven't figured it for sure yet, but trust me there are quite a few sites I've browsed that DO show borders with the border="0" attribute.
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Actually, I suspect it might have more to do with this:

table {
border-width: 1px;
border-collapse: collapse;
}

Found in main.css

Good call.

However, the border="0" should override those configurations, like it does in lower versions of Netscape and IE.
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