What could possibly be the advantage of a person having more than one username on a forum? I noticed that one person had two user profiles under different names.

I do not see any advantage other than to use one to create havoc and have the second one to fall back on if banned.

I can only guess. Any other reasons you all can think of?


Here is an example: (note the use of Pauls email address even though it is not Paul as well)


widgetz
Title: Veteran
Status: Registered User
Registered: Oct 24, 1998, 9:00 PM
Posts: 2260 (1.6 per day)
Real Name: Jerry Su
Location: CA, USA
Occupation: Student
Interests: Many
Homepage: http://www.jsu07.com/
Email: paul@wiredon.net

and

Seto Kaiba
Title: New User
Status: Registered User
Registered: Jul 29, 2002, 8:44 PM
Last Logon: Jul 29, 2002, 10:28 PM
Posts: 2 (2.0 per day)
Real Name: Jerry Su
Location: CA, USA
Local Time: Jul 29, 2002, 10:42 PM
Occupation: Student
Interests: Many
Homepage: http://www.jsu07.com/
Email: paul@wiredon.net

I have 3 (jerrysu, as well).. I was changing to Seto Kaiba, widgetz is very old.

It's like how Eliot was once Anthrotech, then Eliot, then Stealth.
Paul used to be Paulwilson, etc.
There are many more that have changed a few times.

I would have just changed my username, but I also want a "fresh" account. The other people simply deleted all the information in their profile, but I just made this account today and haven't gotten around to it.

As for using Paul's email, just my way of not getting an email? I thought I'd fill in that Display Email with something stupid. Who's going to stop me?

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jsu

Thanks for helping me to understand YOUR intentions and the level of respect you have for others that use the forum (use of another persons email address and calling it something stupid) as well as your total disregard towards the administrators of the forum (who is going to stop me?).

I'm glad you caught both of the things I intentionally added.

1) that's not paul's email
2) so what? if paul get's spammed, not my problem..

I'm only here to help people in the General forums.. I enjoy it actually. As for Gossamer-threads, I have long since used any of their products. I am not here to kiss the ass of any moderator/admin. Rather, just to refresh on some Perl and get my brain kicking again.

Why should I respect anyone that doesn't respect others? Even if they're a moderator, who gives? The only difference is he has the power to ban me. Do I care? No. He'd be a great mod for banning someone for being disrespectful towards him while he was the one that disrespected others and myself. Hell, he'd be saving me the time I spend replying to your messages.

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jsu

So not only do you not care for other users of the forums, not care for any administrators of the forums ("I am not here to kiss the ass of any moderator/admin" - "Why should I respect anyone that doesn't respect others? Even if they're a moderator, who gives? The only difference is he has the power to ban me. Do I care? No.") but you also do not use the products represented on the forums("As for Gossamer-threads, I have long since used any of their products.").

Wow, and I thought this was the Gossamer Threads forum not the "get my brain kicking and while I am at it cause havoc, disrespect users, moderators and administrators" forum.

It does sound to me as if you are trying to point at Paul when you say "He'd be a great mod for banning someone for being disrespectful towards him while he was the one that disrespected others and myself. Hell, he'd be saving me the time I spend replying to your messages." The interesting part about that is that there is no moderator in the Chit Chat area. And the administrator is Alex who you know to be with GT in an executive position.

I do feel that your disrespect for GT, ALex and other users of this forum are unwarranted. Especially since you have been posting over and over after Pauls posts making snide and smarmy remarks and even using code to target him (die/paul/n or something along those lines).

It is painfully obvious that you have some kind of immature issue with Paul and it needs to stop. This is a request and of course I am not a moderator nor can I ban you. I just really see it as a waste that someone with such a high IQ could stoop to a level of paint can graffiti on the walls of this forum.

Eh. I _used_ GT products before. As a matter of fact, Alex gave me a Links SQL license for free. I made review.cgi for Links 2.0, mylinks.cgi, and a bunch of other mods that I do not recall.

If you asked Paul, "Has this guy ever helped you?" He'd say "Yes" or he'd be lying. Only the Veterans here would know me. Since I am only a high school student, I have given the last 1 1/2 years up for my studies. I am now here because of summer only and I have recently gotten back into the whole Perl thing.

Ha. The only reason I posted those 2 lines of perl code which included the die "Paul\n"; is because of Paul's remarks toward Eliot. Besides.. I used that line on purpose.. and included the \n on purpose. The output to that program is simply..

Paul

Used die instead of print for the humor. Am I really going to hurt someone through the use of my PERL scripting (otherwise... WORDS)?

You mentioned twice that I "disrespect users". Oh, OF COURSE I DO! I'm not going to let users put down me or other people. This forum has been the same since I left it. Paul always getting on Eliot's case about being some kind of forum monster. However, I don't [try to] disrespect others. If they find me disrespectful, there is obviously some buttkissing of mods going on.

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jsu

Well I am glad to see that at one point in time you may have been a constructive force on the forum. Now though you are being destructive.

"However, I don't [try to] disrespect others. If they find me disrespectful, there is obviously some buttkissing of mods going on." Then why would you take the time to follow up on so many of Pauls posts if you were not looking to disrespect others. Your actions do not in anyway match your words other than "You mentioned twice that I "disrespect users". Oh, OF COURSE I DO!"

I am asking you to stop. It is up to you obviously but your actions are disruptive to those of us that want to use the forum in peace and without the fear of belittling statements and remarks meant for no other purpose than to hurt people.

The purpose of the forum it to help not hurt nor disrepecting the products that are represented nor the moderators and administrators of the forums.

You have 3 choices:

1. Chill out and be a constructive force with your obvious knowledge of perl.

2. Leave. Hey if you don't like it here why be here?

3. Stay doing what you are doing and put the admin in a position that I am sure he would not like to be put in.

It is up to you!

My follow ups aren't disrespective. I don't see who's pants you're pulling those comments from. If you go and read them, I have obviously went through a bunch of threads today and replied to them. In many, I saw Paul's solution to be the only one. However, his solution was simply.. . So I replied to his posts offering a better one or more "secure" one. Am I destroying the forum by offering better solutions?

Oh. If so, then I'll just leave everything uncorrected! I'll sit and enjoy myself while I exploit your sites.

Ok. It's quite obvious this thread was started in order to attack me. I mean.. why state all that "cause havoc" junk in the beginning. Why reply? It's almost obvious you want me out. It's sad, though. I come today for the first time in so long and your thread is the first one that I offered help to (of course I didn't read the entire thread and didn't realize I posted something someone else posted [mod-rewrite]) but hey.. I tried to give you a solution. If your reasons weren't so obvious, you would send me a private message rather than post a whole thread and attack me with it.

So that's that. I'm finished.

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jsu

> I do not see any advantage other than to use one to create havoc and have the second one to
> fall back on if banned.

I believe the forum software can ban users on a per-username basis or on their IP address. If the IP address is banned then no matter how many different accounts / usernames he or she may have, they will all be denied access.

Also, banning a user can be done on a per forum or global basis.

- wil

So now you are stating in a public forum that you are going to exploit my sites?

"I'll sit and enjoy myself while I exploit your sites."

And you think threatening me and my sites is acting on a mature level?

Now it is personal!

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In many, I saw Paul's solution to be the only one. However, his solution was simply.. . So I replied to his posts offering a better one or more "secure" one. Am I destroying the forum by offering better solutions?
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Of course the irony being that his solutions didn't even work

Dude. If you want to quote me, quote the entire paragraph. You're acting like a damn politician. I didn't say I WILL exploit you. I clearly said that I wanted to help you NOT BE exploited. You're not being cool.

Paul.

I was being like you in other threads and writing code off the top of my head. Good thing you corrected me in that thread. I haven't even touched grep since my return to perl.

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jsu

I'll sit and enjoy myself while I exploit your sites.

This is you stating that YOU will sit back and enjoy yourself as YOU exploit MY sites.

That is a personal attack.

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I was being like you in other threads and writing code off the top of my head. Good thing you corrected me in that thread. I haven't even touched grep since my return to perl.
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Yep so in future (seeing as you know I write examples off the top of my head which won't be perfect) don't reply with such an attitude, and certainly don't make threats such as implying someone should die because what goes around comes around (it's also very immature behaviour for a 17yr old and something I'd expect in the schoolyard....and Eliot laughing at the code is even more worrying behaviour for someone aged 30).

.. it wasn't a threat. It just printed your name. Sheesh. I'm sure you saw it and though, psh oh well. Not like you saw it and felt that that I was going to come to your house in a ski mask or anything.

Also.. where do I reply with "such an attitude". I can't find any. But you've clearly done it to me. So I can't do it to you?

Teamblder.

you've done it again. You've included the else statement without the if statement. My if WAS "if you don't let me let things go uncorrected". Why don't you guys bring it to pms. Or email (email[at]jsu07.com). If you really want to say I'm going to exploit your sites. Go and call the FBI. I live in the US. Call the police department in my city. They'll read your message and call you a damn politician.

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jsu

I've said all I needed to say, the thread is destined to be locked or deleted so I'd just be wasting my breath.

I've got more rewarding issues to deal with such as finishing off the installer for a script I'm writing rather than going round in circles with a kid.

So you are trying to say that you did not say that you would sit back and enjoy yourself while you exploited my sites?

Instead of backpedalling maybe try thinking before you write something. And while you are at it, try to do it without calling people names and using cuss words too. Those are signs of a person that is either losing a debate and resorting to low blows to gain momentum or the sign of a person that is actually less smart than he/she thinks they are. Either way it does not become you.

Now back to the original reason for the post.

There is no reason for multiple usernames unless the person has a covert need. Just because a username is older is no reason to create multiple accounts. There is no advantage to a new account over an older account. If a person changes their username and maintains only one username in the system then there is no sign of potential misuse, only boredom with thier username.

Teambldr.

I haven't used a cussword yet. Maybe it's my age, but I haven't used a cussword yet. Maybe butt was the oh.. so.. bad.. cussword in your time, but it's simply the rear end in my time (ass is the same word). Sign of losing what debate? It all started cause I used paul's email and called it stupid. I am entitled to say what I want to say. And I chose that to say. I thought of it before I typed it also while smirking of course.

Wil has given a reason for more than a single screenname. I believe Paul used to be "redrum" too. But, I'm not quite sure whoever that was. Widgetz is so many years old. I don't even own the domain anymore. I'm only here for 1 month. So maybe, you'll be happy then.

The data in the profile like (posts per day) relies on the date the account was created. There's a reason to make a new account.

Lastly, if I don't see an email in my box and another message against me here. I'll take it as you wanting to slander me with the thread. What does that show? A 38 year old man throwing stones at someone less than half his age. Oh big woop.

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jsu

I believe that Wil was explaining the methods under which a persons username or IP could be banned as well as information about bans being able to be done on a forum by forum basis or globally.

That is not a reason for more than one username. Unless of course the intent is to deceive!

Also if you noticed in my last post I brought the conversation full circle. Back to the original reason of the post. If you choose to go off topic then it is you not me that is leading it that way.

Now if you would like to debate the reasons for multiple usernames then please do. If you want to continue to argue about your antics in the forum, take it elsewhere please.

By the way, I am not 38 and implying that this is your day vs. "back in my day" is arrogant at minimum and delusions of grandure for sure. Age has nothing to do with time and the ownership of time. Time owns you!

Geez, maybe we should stop this thread. It's totally resourceless and just waste both of your time. Hey Brian, mayeb just leave Jerry alone, no big deal having multiple accts! I didn't see how this will affect you and ur life here anyway. if having multiple accts is such a big issue, the admins would have set registration to be per ip and cookie basis! Full respects to all veterans or past veterans that contributed to this community, rather Paul, Jerry, Eliot, Wil, or others! We're here to help eahc other out and sometimes a little chit chat time, but we dun have to FLAME! Pms is a better way to express ur emotional feelings towards another member!

I appreciate your opinion. The original intent of this thread was to discuss reasons for multiple usernames within a forum. Of course it escalated and I have recently tried to return it to topic.

I do disagree with it being called a flame though. There was no personal attacks on my part and has been maintained as a debate. Debates are healthy and normal.

Thanks for your opinion though.

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no big deal having multiple accts!
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It depends on what you are using them for...deceiving people by posting under someone elses username and registering an account and using someone elses email address to bypass being spammed _is_ an inappropriate use of an account.

That is on topic Paul...Thanks. And I happen to agree.

As I stated in a previous thread, I often browse the forum under the alias 'japh' as I sometimes feel uneasy about browsing the forum with a 'loaded gun' as it were. I guess it's the same principle of not logging into a machine with root but only su when you need root privilideges. As others have the potential to use my computer I prefer to have another non-moderative alias.

I think this is a fair use of more than one alias, but if anyone isn't happy with this then I'll consider stopping this practice.

Alternatively, maybe the forum software can be set to ask for your password every time you do an administrative action. Maybe this can be another option in your user profile or something? This would certainyl be welcomed amongst the paranoid among us.

- wil