Aired Today, All soft drinks have been tested positive to contain pesticides. It was as high as 70 times the permitted values (god knows how much of it is permitted) This includes Coke/Pepsi/Fanta etc. Simultaneous tests were done on Coke from California and was having 0%. Lowest was tested in Sprite (which i believe is Coke product)

So does it mean that they are purposefully mixing these toxic substances so that "Slow Poisoning" followed by drugs/medication (with all those hue and cry about IP rights/Patenting etc) would earn more $$$. Or is this a new form of "Terrorism" -- Corporate Terrorism --- or a way to spit vengance on India for not agreeing to send troops to Iraq.?

Intellectuals wake up and exhibit your non partisan instincts.

I know most of you would dub this as crap (as long as it does not affect US and it's allies).

Anup

I could be wrong, but most (if not all) softdrinks sold outside the US are made/bottled in the country they are sold....or at least regionally. It's too expensive to ship a can of Coke than make it locally. That's how it was when I lived in Germany. In fact, bottling companies are usually franchises, such that they are owned & operated independently from the parent company....they just pay royalty fees and get formulas & logos.

I would bet money, that it's Indian quality control that's to blame, not some International-conspiracy-led-by-white-guys-deliberately-trying-to-hurt-non-white-guys (isn't this what all James Bond villians are now?).

Dave

If it is happening across the board (pepsi/coke/fanta etc etc ) all ranging from 11 to 70 times the permitted value, then theoretically conspiracy_cannot_be_ruled_out. If it was only with a particular brand or something then i wouldn't have made a mention of some "broader conspiracy'

All franchisees are appointed under some agreement I suppose. I hope that somewhere in the agreement there is a mention of some sort of social obligation of not causing damage to innocent citizens. And that check has to be put into practise by the parent company equally. Don't tell me that these soft drink giants tie up with rogues and have no check on what they do? Or is it that these Indian Franchisees (rogue if they are ... are playing hand in glove with the parent company).

Partial denials have started coming out on Murdoch's channel (Coke has come out with a denial) and not on the channel where it was aired.

Anup

Sure, they have some type of QC agreement...it's the brand name they are buying...and this hurts all Coke/Pepsi/etc. affiliates involved. I'm sure they even inspect periodically, at least at startup.

I beg to differ, in that being across all brands, it's more likely a local issue, not a conspiracy. Using 'unclean' or unpurified water is probably a shortcut by the local Indian managers, trying to save some money...and yes, that's generally at the expense of their customers.

Apparently, the Indian gov't isn't as concerned either or the companies would be scared to do such a thing....

Dave

Hmm As A QC man would always put it .... "It's not our fault" everything is perfect .... the logsheets/ process sheets/ production planning are in place .... much in line with ISO certification etc etc.

If my little knowledge serves me right, a bottling plant (basically that's what they are) must be having a water purification system in place besides the gasification etc....

And BTW, what's going around is Coke/Pepsi/etc etc is contaminated with toxic substances and not that xyz franchisee's production is contaminated. Just as u said, it's the brand and not franchisees name which is getting the beating.

I don't think Indian managers are so uncaring for their own civilization. Unless it is that "Save Money" mantra is coming from the parent company......

As for Government, well in democracy every government fears being voted out of power. So they would not act callously in matters which can be fatal for their existence.

Anup

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?msid=114761

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?msid=115007

Perhaps the scariest thing is that the levels of contaminates are said to be legal in India.

Hi,

It all depends. Chlorinated (for disinfection) water cannot be said to be contaminated. Now the levels are deicded on the basis of certain factors. Taking excuse that contamination levels (which are permitted) are legally permitted as a cover for offering 70 times the permitted value, then it would be most unfortunate on part of the customers. Somewhere on one of the forums i did mention that I do not consume pepsi/coke etc for certain obvious reasons but now it would be easier convincing my son ( a 10 year old kid) coz he just drained the bottle in sink when he saw the news clipping.

Being legally permitted is one thing and surpassing the legally permitted values by 70 times is another. Sprite had the lowest levels of overshoot (11 times).

Anup

If broad guidelines (not law) are openly flouted by MNC's then that does not mean that "feeding toxicants is legally permitted". And it is ridiculous that Coke/Pepsi claims that they have their testing in proper place and are challenging the testing methods. They never challenged the methods when Bisellary (excuse me if misspelt as I do not consume that) was given a painfull KITA (which had caused suspension of their operations for quite a while) as that probably made Kinley (Coke Mineral Water or something) gain some ground perhaps. Huh.... testing once in a quarter with one sample (out of million bottles already dumped in market) sent to Holland. So that means they have their burried under the sand for 89/90 days presuming that everything is fine....just like an Ostrich.

With this exposed, I am sure there would be a LAW framed for curbing consequential damages to innocent civilians as a result of wilfull flouting of guidelines (and not law) by certain $$$ hungry operators. Afterall there are millions who are suffering even today due to UCC attempt of saving a 50$/day by closing the chilling plant which lead to that disastrous gas leak.

You should probably work on solving all the slave labour in India before worrying about western companies.

Oh so the Coke Plant in Kerala which is now deemed a threat to environment because the it is speweing out sludge with 200mg/KG cadmium is related to labour problem. "Labour problem" as defined in western media is a problem because it does not give enough liberty to "Hire N Fire" policies of MNC's

What it seems from your post is that you have concluded that Coke/Pepsi (sale now banned wef in Parliament campus .... and more to follow soon) fiasco is related to "Labour Problem"

Somehow, i fail to see a correlation....

Anup

I think he was refering to larger problems, like slave labour.

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Bringing to fore the problem of how MNC's have been clandestinely "Poisoning" selected civilizations is a larger problem than what he must be referring to as a "Larger Problem" based on some MNC funded reports who would want labour laws, environmental laws combined into trade policies.

Onto "Slave Labour" a disease spread by erstwhile British Empire would take enormous time to be weeded out. More so because it is always thru such Coke/Bisselary etc fiascos that priorities have to be reorganised. At least slavery is better than consciously (though clandestinely ... tilll caught) poisoning selectively the human civilization.

I am sorry but it seems that Paul wants every thread to divert to Western Vs Anti Western Duel. At least iam sure that my source of information is more trustworthy going by my experience in similar discussions in few other threads.

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lol now that's ironic coming from you =)

Go get a glass of coke and relax.

I think i had commented few months back in one of the threads that i do not consume coke /pepsi etc. I do repeat it here again. Really i do not fancy the chances of being addicted to such stuff. And this episode only strengthens my conviction of staying away from such cocktails...

Anup

You can't really get addicted to pepsi - it's only really water, sugar and flavorings...nothing addictive in it

You've got more chance of damanging your health eating from a street stall in India than you have consuming health regulated soft drinks.

If you really wanted to selectively poison entire civilizations, isn't there a better way to accomplish this task than by putting heavy metals, like cadium, in carbonated soft drinks? If you believe there is such a plot, wouldn't the co-conspirators select a product more universally used in India than Coca Cola? Maybe someone should test something the entire population eats every day and for more effective, but difficult to detect poisions or hallucinigens?

Isn't it more likely that cadium in Coke is simply a diversion to distract you from what is really happening?
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Anup is a conspiracy theory generating machine

If you ever need to think up a reason to blame something on the west then anup can always oblige with a bizarre theory or falsified information.

I expect he thinks the US goverment assassinated Elvis.

You can. It contains addictive drugs such as caffeine.

- wil

Not caffeine free pepsi

http://www.pepsi.com/...amp;page=ingredients

Now Rob, you know that the multinationals have an India problem. What better way to increase profits than by killing off a developing market? They hate new customers so much that they have to poison them.

It's a brilliant plan, made more so by using the runoff from local pesticide use! In fact I shudder to think of what sorts of pesticides are still being used on the sub continent. Surely the locally owned bottling plant owners and managers realized this and saw a golden opportunity to rid themselves of a customer base.

But not to worry, the multinationals are having much better success with the AIDS program. Numbers in India show a whopping improvement, infection rates up something like 15% this last year. Surely they are sitting around the boardroom slapping each other on the back.

....and all joking aside, it's a terrible situation that needs addressing. Just as long as no evil western governments send aid money or their big multinational companies attempt to help out with cut rate drug therapies or anything useful like that.

I agree. However, if certain beverages are found to contain elevated levels of pesticides (something I'm very familiar with from postgrad course work in environmental toxicology), then this cannot be dismissed outright because of other health concerns or labour standards (often exploited by Western nations and multinational companies - difficult to remedy when there is a huge multibillion dollar demand for them). And just because India has poorer water quality standards and limited supply of safe drinking water, does not give the right of any company to exploit that at the expense of public health. For example, say India had no pesticide standards, would that give Coke the right (if not legal, then ethical) to allow pesticides at levels 10,000 or 100,000 (mind you, at these levels, Coke would pour out as sludge) than allowed in the the US or the EU, even though such levels would compromise public health and cause death. Also, numerous clinical studies have attributed clinical addiction to aspartame, caffeine and some other components in soda pop beverages. Pop is not just water, sugar, and flavourings. Never was - check into the history of cola drinks as very enlightening. What needs to be done is for more testing, and for the Indian government to act on the results. Ultimately it is up to India. However, if true, then the beverage companies should make the required changes. There's legalality, and there's ethics. I see no conspiracy against Indian consumers. However, if true, then I do see corporate irresponsibility.

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I'm aware of what was contained in Coke...that's where the name supposedly came from

If you consume everything in moderation it should not be an issue.

For example, pure drinking water can poison you if you drink too much.

Right. I was just thinking it would be much more effective to put the chemicals in something like bread, that everyone in India eats everyday. Shouldn't be putting in just poisons either, but something addictive like nictotene, opium or cocaine to ensure an adequate dosage is consumed over a long term. Then throw in some sort of chemical that does ????? and whose effects can be masked by the increasing industrial pollutants and you have something. My point to anup123 was that the cadium Cokes are simply diverting time and energy from the real dangers. Nobody thinks to test bread for opium, cocaine or nicotine. He needs to dig deeper. The truth is out there!!
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Conspiracy theory which fortunately does not fall like a pack of cards as it does in case of CIA.... etc etc....

Anup

It's something like beefing up the lamb before slaughtering. View this from the drugs point of view and it would become less aberrated. Ultimately it is the durugs market.

While on AID (not AIDS) it seems that you are trying to justify all this misdeeds by showing off the pseudo philanthropist attitudes. I think u have to start arguing much beyond the same old line of thought and reasoning. AS long as u form opinion sitting in your living room and substantiating your claims based on some funded media reports these aberrations would continue unabated.

As on AIDS/ Pornography et al, i think www would reveal a bunch of horrendous developments in your country /countries that you ardently defend. There are numerous such material available and i do not have to post links to that when the parliamenterians of such countries are discusiing the spread of this disease (ref house of lords sessions).

Anup

If pesticide levels are truly up to 70 times the maximum allowed in the US and the EU, then advising consumers to drink in moderation is a really silly and a potentially dangerous human health strategy. Sure we allow our beverages to be loaded up with poison, but just consume less and you should be okay. Before you commit to that, I'd do some research first in the toxicology of pesticides (looking at the pesticides in question, in the suggested concentrations, and known Oral LD50 values). Knowing what I know, I'm not going to trivialize this and give companies carte blanche in countries where standards are poor or non-existent. This does deserve careful investigation, and not outright dismissal. This situation would sound off warning bells for any toxicologist or human health proferssional. And yes:

"All substances are toxic..there is none that is not. It is the dose that differentiates a poison from a remedy" (Paracelsus 1493 - 1541, father of toxicology). Toxicology 101 (first question on both Environmental Toxicology Introduction course midterm and final exams - back when I took the environmental toxicology courses 10 years ago after my B.Sc.).

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I think there is some misinformation on the point of testing opium/ cadmium in bread. Bread and all such edibles are governed by well laid out framework FPA. Unfortunately, beverages were not under FPA. I am sure if Few MNC's enter India with their Bread etc.. you have a point that it needs to be tested. I can definitely promise you, it would be and in light of these happenings would be more rigourously tested.

MNC's ulterior motives would not be achieved by "Slow Poisoning" the poor (who eat bread). They are targeting the more "affordable" class thru this soft drinks because they can afford the costly medical treatment. I know it hurts when the brand image is tarnished but it would be more appropriate to take corrective actions cancel the franchisee agreements rather than defend them much in the same way UCC (now i suppose a Du Pont company) defended it's actions in India post that MEA leak.

And BTW the beverages arket in India is ab 1.4Bn $$ PA which i think is peanuts as compared to the drugs market.

Anup

Well that is a good idea, maybe sweets? Also don't forget the benefits of aerial spraying. Or better yet space delivered pathogens, get some use out of that space station and all.

Or if they really want to go xfiles, how about mass vaccinations?

Or may be CIA postulated SARS thru some biological WMD. I think all data of effectiveness must now be in the databanks (post HK/China scare). You could do anything. World is remebering the 58th anniversary of Heroshima bombing if my history knowledge is not misplaced.

Anup

..and you know that really would go a long way toward explaining Anup, it's either something he's consumed or had implanted in him by the CIA.

Sorry i do not consume these stuff. I am more comfrtable with chilled darjeeling lemon tea. last i consumed coke was before they were asked to fold up from India in 1977. Upon their re-entry i do not remeber taking it at all....

Anup

i think UCC has already tried that in midst of a night when many did not get a chance to wake up from their sleep. So that's not a novel proposition -- unfortunately.

Well I have good news for you.

Recently, I attended a fund raising event for President Bush that was hosted by jointly by Monsanto and Halliburton. As luck would have it, I was seated at a table full of National Security Council staffers, at least that was what they told me – they could have been working for any number of secret agencies.

Our table was in a great location, but the chicken we had for dinner was cold. Fortunately the guest speaker was very entertaining, some gentleman named Pervez Mushraff. He told some great bawdy jokes.

At the table our conversation got around to the issue of biological weapons and how best they could be employed on the sub-continent. One staffer, who for understandable reasons I cannot name, assured me that several simultaneous programs were on the verge of achieving great success.

Apparently one of our most effective programs is proceeding under the guise of hunting for Bin Laden. That’s given the agencies access to Pakistani air space & bases, which provides new areas to launch our long range stealth drones from. Thanks to the Israelis, we’ve increased their range and payload. Diego Garcia has been a great location for the effort, but in order to increase the operational tempo and loiter time over the target, Pakistan was critical. They seemed confident that the program goals could be achieved within the next 3 years.

A second, and perhaps more brilliant, program is being run against Indian students studying here in the US. Thanks to our new Homeland Security tracking systems, we know where all of the students are at any given time. It’s proven very easy to infect these individuals with dormant viruses that are only activated once they drink something containing the right combination of ingredients back in India. To prevent accidental release here in the US, there are two separate substances which must be ingested to activate the virus.

I accused them of borrowing that idea from Tom Clancy, but they just laughed and asked me where I thought he go the idea from! That floored me.

Unfortunately, I could not get the people at the table to tell me what exactly the second substance was. I have my suspicions but I’ll refrain from passing along information that is only learned through rumors.

Anyway, we raised a lot of money and had a really good time.

Aah and unfortunatelt you forgot few interesting points. About Blackwill's indication that US was thinking of giving India biological and nuclear weapons (with long term Chinese Communists In Mind) and a subsequent threat from some clergy to Blackwill.

BTW, these were not some round table conferences but statements pre Myers visit to India (as a part of the same "Fund Raisng campaign" that you talked of).

Midway Ashcroft had to leave to address a press conference post Al jawahari's threat thru some tape on some channel which western media adjectivises as "*** ****" and never returned as then there was this meeting scheduled with few who have indicated to step down from office even if GWB was to successfully spend the fund collected by you and be back in office for second term. And somewhere somebody talked of suicide of some British dignitory....when everyone maintained a few minutes of silence to mourn the unfateful end... due to some remark which that gentleman could not bear....

Then to get things back on track, GWB played the same old 911 tape....

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And yes I am aware of your active Homeland security as few agents of your paranoid homeland security bashed up an Indian student in Boston -- a engineering student who was out delivering pizza probably out of sheer frustration as the high immunity levels which has rendered the CIA blue print ineffective. So nothing surpasses the brutal physical force in terms of effectiveness.




Anup

Well, I was just speaking generally in terms of staying healthy, in regards to caffeine etc.

Heh, don't knock caffeine. Without it, I'd be a quivering mess without it - instead of a quaking mess with it

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Try anti-depressants. They give you hallucinations, vivid dreams, dizziness, spasms, and all sorts of goodies

Now this is making some sense! Given the MNC's involvement in mass media, a program of "slow poisoning" would not have to include the use of addictive substances, as the MNCs could achieve the same "addictive" effects through the use of subliminal messages. TV, movies, computer software and the internet all all controlled by MNCs and by simply inserting a message frame in the information stream would be very difficult to detect. I think Coca Cola experimented with subliminal advertising in movie theaters years ago. Since that time, it has been rather hush-hush. Computer screens usually refresh at somewhere between 60-80 times per second, plenty of cylces to slip in a subliminal message targeting the "non-poor" segments surfing the internet or running a computer program. Movies and TV, at least in the US, run about 29.97 frames per second, and would provide similar opportunties. The use of subliminal messages becomes much easier given these are now electronic and digital mediums, and much harder to detect, as the files are now strings of 0's and 1's instead of obvious images on celluoid film. The digital technology would make it fairly simple to simple "reprogram" and change or "vanish" the subliminal messages as needed.
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Good idea =) But, the US explicitly banned subliminal advertising many years ago. However, it went unnoticed as the announcement ran only one frame Funny enough, a few weeks ago, a company announced that they pioneered a new subliminal advertising strategy. Cannot recall the details. Be less annoying than these damn product placements - including recent shows predicated on displaying product lines. Maybe it's the way to go, and the wave of the future. If only advertisers could tap into your REM sleep, and introduce product placement in your dreams. This dream was brought to you by the good people at Coca-Cola. Drink Coke, or face some really scary monsters.

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I can get that without the anti-depressants by reliving my 20's =)

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I think your observation confirms to Anup's concerns. The central arguement of Anup's posts is these "contaminants" are found in Indian Coca Cola, but these same "contaminants" curiously are not found in US products. Likewise, you your post confirms subliminal messages are banned (not found) in the US but coincedentally do not discuss the presence and/or usage of these messages by the MNCs, NSA, CIA, etc in a concerted effort to disadvantage the Indian people.
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The only subliminal messages I deal with are those from my gf. After 16 years, she has an amazing ability to get me do things with any verbal communication or obvious cues.

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She's obviously an enemy agent! Surely she must be employed by some evil corporation?

p.s. And please do tell how you get away with "girlfriend" after 16 years. I can't make it six months without being threatened with marriage or common law!

Yes, the evil corporation of W.O.M.E.N. =)

Well, we are common-law (within months of our first date - U2 concert 1987). Fortunately we both are not fans of the institution of marriage - both being atheists (although she is spiritual - and I'm aspiritual) might have played a role. Dodged that bullet =) No children or plans to have children - dodged that minefield =)

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The "Doctrine Of Double Standards" deeply entrenched into white house philosophy and comfortably embraced by MNC's. Yet another example

Anup

Links to more examples:

• NSA's Subliminal Posthypnotic Scripts
• Covert Operations of the U.S.National Security Agency
• NSA backdoor in every Microsoft operating system
• AIDs is Man-made
• Coca-Cola Invention used in Russia
• Space Shuttle's Secret Mission

Rob,

I'm severely disappointed. You should not be exposing our nations secrets, as such information could diminish their effectiveness on the sub continent.

Granted most of that population will remain unaware, but still some damage may have been done.

-Scott

Just as much as 'CIA et al' were unaware of pokhran - II blast. Caught them dreaming of their superior survelience systems flying around in space.....

Hallucination is that what it is supposed to be?


Anup

It took a while for me to comment on this as i thouroughly checked up all available literature on "Health Regulated Drinks" to find if "Dangerously High Levels Of Cocktail Of Pesticides" were an inherent part and I am sorry i could not find one.

As re the stall foods ... I would disagree ... they wouldn't do it on purpose as they are not a part of the "Drugs Cartel" Coke complaint to the F&D control officer in Gujarat few months back against some local 'Stall Type' gasified drink vendor and the charges were same in which they themselves are caught now. When they get the taste of their own medicine, they start challenging the actions of the F&D Control Officer. Ridiculous isn't it ... or may be not if viewed within the perspective of "Doctrine Of Double Standards"

Anup

I did put a call into the local corporate headquarters for both Coca-Cola and PepsiCo to see what could be done to increase the lethality of soft drinks on the sub continent.

They reported that limited talks are underway with Union Carbide, given their experience in this area, so there will probably be noticeable progress within the next 12 to 36 months.

Both corporations also pledged to increase their donations to the Bush/Cheney 2004 campaign war chest.

A successful day for all involved.

Yep and see many such "Andersons" the absconding culprit of UCC disaster and thankfully closure of coke and pepsi shop in India (just like UCC)

At this moment they are doing damage control excercise in press taking out big ads explaining their pov.

After CSE now i think they Coke will have to challenge the Kerala State Pollution Control Board and the farmers of their state who are agitating for having been supplied "Cadmium Enriched" sludge from the plant as a substitute for fertilizer....

Best Of Luck


Anup

If you are the stereo-typical Indian, thank goodness I live no-where near India.

If the west is so bad, I wonder why Britain is full of immigrants.

I never was a typical stereotypical Indian as you see in Britain. That's why I am here in my own country and not "Adopted Country". It's distassteful to hear such statements and adjectives as "Chocolates" from so called Civilized Human Beings.....

Go ask B(liar) who has been accepting Cheques from many of those immigrants.... Probably he would tell you why there are so many there.

Anup

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And as per your "extrapolation theory" (which always ends up with the immigrants issue) the All England Badminton Champion (Indian in India) must also be an 'inferior human being' when he refused to do a commercial for Coke publicly making a statement that "It's Not Good For Health"

I expect he'd tell me that the standard of living is so poor in India that people move over here for a better life, and when they do, they should pay taxes to the government like everyone else.

Quite naturally you ignored one thing which he would say and i couldn't resist putting down (though i had so far as you would have again extrapolated to something or the other in order to deviate)

"They have more brains" and last i heard was that a country in Europe was ammending its visa rules to accomoade few thousand professionals.

As for paying tax, well the bribe (comfortably cloaked as "donations") that he accepts must be far more than taxes. last i heard was he took a hefty amount for doing some immigrant a favour in Romania.....

Anup

I don't have a clue what the first two paragraphs are about, but as for the third one, you no doubt heard that from some Indian "source", either the media or government, which unfortunately has about as much credibility as Stephen Hawking as a 100m sprinter.

That more than answers your query factually about the immigrants issue.


At least i can believe my source going by the fact that they talked of B(liar's) lies much ahead f your "credible" media....

I wonder why so many MNC's are trying to move in where the standard of living is so poor. On employment issue, Coke's re-entry caused double the unemployment that the jobs that they provided as they ensured that other plants close their operations.

Whatever state it may be, the standard of living is much better than what was when Britishers plundered India (and have shamefully stacked few precious things of the loot in their museum). It is feeding three times the population that Britishers enslaved. Indeed where you have 15 UK in one boundary, the diversity, complexity and nature of problems cannot be guaged with same yardstick.

Anup

Come on guys... isn't this a bit of a dead ended thread? BOTH of you have your opinions, and I very much doubt either are going to change them. Just quit now PLEASE!

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Well dead ended it is because the basic context of thread is lost. I could quit but I am sorry Paul wouldn't want me to quit. So i keep researching more and more and I am sure paul wouldn't believe that.

"Lord William Bentinck, (governor general of Bengal 1828-33, and later first governor general of all India), went so far as to announce plans to demolish the best Mogul monuments in Agra and Delhi and remove their marble facades. These were to be shipped to London, where they would be broken up and sold to members of the British aristocracy. Several of Shahjahan's pavilions in the Red Fort at Delhi were indeed stripped to the brick, and the marble was shipped off to England (part of this shipment included pieces for King George IV himself). Plans to dismantle the Taj Mahal were in place, and wrecking machinery was moved into the garden grounds. Just as the demolition work was to begin, news from London indicated that the first auction had not been a success, and that all further sales were cancelled -- it would not be worth the money to tear down the Taj Mahal. "

So.... if he tries to demonstrate some "Superiority" by quoting same old lines of immigrants/slave labour/human rights/living standards etc etc to every thread which "he interprets as anti west" then i think it would continue on ....

Anup

OTH, has anybody noticed how Paul has changed in the last couple of months?

Paul's old icon:




Paul's new icon:

I'd be happy for you to quit and cure yourself of this bad case of verbal diarrohoea you seem to have.


Remember who starts these threads....very repetitive and boring =)

You need a cure for your aberrated psychological infection which seems to drag your intelligence to a monotonous stroll down some assumed aura of being able to correctly comprehend the posts.


Yes the thread really becomes boring when the context of thread is put into disarray by attempting to divert it to same old incurable disease of trying to enslave (minds body and soul). I never started this thread in the context which you dragged it into. And anyway Britishers did not rule Britain the way they repeatedly looted the subdontinent, that doesn't mean that they were perfect in their dealings with Subcontinent. Similarly if Coke is doing what it is in Europe and messing up with the Subscontinent masses, that doesn't mean that Coke is not to be blamed. You tend to get or drag ppl into getting personal and I do not abstain from doing it when challenged. You seem to suffer from that incurable disease which has repeatedly caused ppl with such disease shame and insult (which again shamefully they tend to ignore).

This thread was about the manner in which Coke etc has been involving in "Terrorism" and not your usual immigrants / etc issue which you dragged it into.

If your intent to getting personal never gets satiated please log on to Yahoo or ICQ and continue there. thunderbolt963 on yahoo....

Anup

I think (ironically) that quote beautifully illustrates the reasons why I have no idea what you are talking about in your posts


Perhaps you mean Britons rather than Britishers

"Nadir Shah looted the country only once. But the British loot us every day. Every year wealth to the tune of 4.5 million dollar is being drained out, sucking our very blood. Britain should immediately quit India.'' That's what the Sindh Times wrote on May 20, 1884, a year before the Indian National Congress was born and 58 years before the ''Quit India'' movement of 1942 was launched.

The letter in Bold is what I meant....


And I repeat it again, thats why you find so many Immigrants in your country.....

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No wonder your brain is so twisted when you get fed that garbage.

Didn't i say that ppl/nations shamefully tend to forget actions which had repeatedly caused them insult.....?

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This garbage is from some british dignitaory....

In 1854, Sir Arthur Cotton writing in "Public Works in India" noted: "Public works have been almost entirely neglected throughout India... The motto hitherto has been: 'Do nothing, have nothing done, let nobody do anything....." Adding that the Company was unconcerned if people died of famine, or if they lacked roads and water.

John Bright in the House of Commons on June 24, 1858, "The single city of Manchester, in the supply of its inhabitants with the single article of water, has spent a larger sum of money than the East India Company has spent in the fourteen years from 1834 to 1848 in public works of every kind throughout the whole of its vast dominions."

Well go read history to give yrself a cure....

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Paul why do you bother, his mind has clearly been addled by the all pesticides he's been consuming.

I sometimes wonder. The subjectivity of his "sources" is blatantly obvious due to the use of "us" and "our"...it's written by Indians for Indians. Their primitive reporting methods are also clear to see. I couldn't imagine the British media using quotes like "sucking our blood". They are brainwashing the general public. It's no wonder there's an east west divide.

Your ignorance is quite clear. Didn't I mention that I do not consume those stuff. Need a magnifying glass? Read the posts/ thread carefully.

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It's in your drinking water....or have you not tested that lately? Where do you think the bottling plants get their water from?

Besides, I recognize your symptoms. It explains all the paranoia and disjointed ramblings.

I'm locking this thread now.
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