He's off the wall :)
Actually, if he's "done his homework for the past 2 months" he'd know that the PR displayed by Google in the search bar, has *NO* bearing on what google *actually* ranks the page as. ;) Apparantly, it's so easily hacked, google doesn't update it any more, or more recently than 2-3 months, *but* does use PR to rank pages, just doesn't tell people the *real* PR. The "expose" on that was a few days ago. Some interesting examples were tossed around too, but he *should* have known that, if he's done his homework. (Must be visiting "gripe" boards, or boards manned by people trying to run scams, rather than real sites.)
Also, if people are stealing things, google has figured out a way around it. The theives are no way near as smart as the collective brains at google.
Here's another "tidbit" on trying to figure out the google PR system. Bang your head on your keyboard for awhile over this.
If you google ultranerds.com/forum, and ask for backwards links, check out what we have. Most are self-referential, and there are *only* 26 of them. Yet that page has a PR of 4/10 .
What does that do to the whole theory of how google uses and calculates (as well as lets us in on how they use and calculate) PR ???
Like Area 51, it's major re-direction. While everyone concentrates there, the *real* stuff is going on elsewhere.
So you did good, tell the guy to blow off, remove him from your directory, ban his URL, his IP block, and everything else, and tell him to have a nice life ;)
FWIW: I've done some major exploring, over 300 sites, with a depth of 1 page, an 100's of pages. While I have not run statistical analysis on placements, depths, etc, I have come to the conclusion, that the one thing Google values when ranking a page, is "CONTENT", and how they figure out what "CONTENT" is, is the real closely guarded secret.
Adwords now runs in frames, so if they can figure out that, they can deal with redirects.
I have a few more "secrets" from running so many shallow, and mixed sites, about how Google works, but my goal is not to help the spammers/scammers so I'm not going to post them. Don't fret, none of the secrets tells you how to get a better page rank, they just help explain google/googlebots behaviour.
BOTTOM LINE:
If you want a good page rank, don't worry about who links to you. Worry about what is seen when they get there.
Oh.... and don't underestimate the use of Lynx when looking at your pages ;) Remember, most HTML is still top down, spiders still "crawl" (they don't randomly worm hole from one page area to the next), and using <Hn></Hn> headline tags, *really* does make a difference over <font>, and css. (And... spiders are BLIND!).
Oh, #2... If you worry about DMOZ.org and being listed there... don't. They have *serious* problems. I was an original editor there, and I reapplied, and was told I don't/never existed. I did a search, and my sites were expunged from there as well. I was an active editor, posted in their original Nosology areas, and was involved in hacking out some of the earliest layouts of a few areas, mostly medical. Was active for over a year. Oh well..... We have some of the oldest sites on the Internet, and none are in Dmoz. Someone really didn't like me -- and thus I have proof (at least to me) that all the claims about DMOZ's politics and corruption are true, without a shadow of a doubt. It's not laziness, not overwork, but true honest to human nature corruption. But I digress. ----> *TAKE HOME MESSAGE* The important thing, is to realize that despite that, many of my sites are listed as #1 on google, for their various important keywords, despite not being in DMOZ. We are even rising in M$ search.
So, again, it's *C*O*N*T*E*N*T* ..... not who, what, or where you get linked.
ONE link, on ONE site, is enough to get the google bot to find you. That's all it takes.
The rest, as they say, is p*ss*ng into a fan.
PS: As for dmoz, refer to the statements about google preferring and _valuing_ "CONTENT" ;) <G>
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PPPS: For a slightly different issue, and how to contact google about it: http://www.platinax.co.uk/...google_denies_3.html
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Actually, if he's "done his homework for the past 2 months" he'd know that the PR displayed by Google in the search bar, has *NO* bearing on what google *actually* ranks the page as. ;) Apparantly, it's so easily hacked, google doesn't update it any more, or more recently than 2-3 months, *but* does use PR to rank pages, just doesn't tell people the *real* PR. The "expose" on that was a few days ago. Some interesting examples were tossed around too, but he *should* have known that, if he's done his homework. (Must be visiting "gripe" boards, or boards manned by people trying to run scams, rather than real sites.)
Also, if people are stealing things, google has figured out a way around it. The theives are no way near as smart as the collective brains at google.
Here's another "tidbit" on trying to figure out the google PR system. Bang your head on your keyboard for awhile over this.
If you google ultranerds.com/forum, and ask for backwards links, check out what we have. Most are self-referential, and there are *only* 26 of them. Yet that page has a PR of 4/10 .
What does that do to the whole theory of how google uses and calculates (as well as lets us in on how they use and calculate) PR ???
Like Area 51, it's major re-direction. While everyone concentrates there, the *real* stuff is going on elsewhere.
So you did good, tell the guy to blow off, remove him from your directory, ban his URL, his IP block, and everything else, and tell him to have a nice life ;)
FWIW: I've done some major exploring, over 300 sites, with a depth of 1 page, an 100's of pages. While I have not run statistical analysis on placements, depths, etc, I have come to the conclusion, that the one thing Google values when ranking a page, is "CONTENT", and how they figure out what "CONTENT" is, is the real closely guarded secret.
Adwords now runs in frames, so if they can figure out that, they can deal with redirects.
I have a few more "secrets" from running so many shallow, and mixed sites, about how Google works, but my goal is not to help the spammers/scammers so I'm not going to post them. Don't fret, none of the secrets tells you how to get a better page rank, they just help explain google/googlebots behaviour.
BOTTOM LINE:
If you want a good page rank, don't worry about who links to you. Worry about what is seen when they get there.
Oh.... and don't underestimate the use of Lynx when looking at your pages ;) Remember, most HTML is still top down, spiders still "crawl" (they don't randomly worm hole from one page area to the next), and using <Hn></Hn> headline tags, *really* does make a difference over <font>, and css. (And... spiders are BLIND!).
Oh, #2... If you worry about DMOZ.org and being listed there... don't. They have *serious* problems. I was an original editor there, and I reapplied, and was told I don't/never existed. I did a search, and my sites were expunged from there as well. I was an active editor, posted in their original Nosology areas, and was involved in hacking out some of the earliest layouts of a few areas, mostly medical. Was active for over a year. Oh well..... We have some of the oldest sites on the Internet, and none are in Dmoz. Someone really didn't like me -- and thus I have proof (at least to me) that all the claims about DMOZ's politics and corruption are true, without a shadow of a doubt. It's not laziness, not overwork, but true honest to human nature corruption. But I digress. ----> *TAKE HOME MESSAGE* The important thing, is to realize that despite that, many of my sites are listed as #1 on google, for their various important keywords, despite not being in DMOZ. We are even rising in M$ search.
So, again, it's *C*O*N*T*E*N*T* ..... not who, what, or where you get linked.
ONE link, on ONE site, is enough to get the google bot to find you. That's all it takes.
The rest, as they say, is p*ss*ng into a fan.
PS: As for dmoz, refer to the statements about google preferring and _valuing_ "CONTENT" ;) <G>
<G> PPS: Take a look at the top message here: http://forums.seochat.com/t16565/s.html
PPPS: For a slightly different issue, and how to contact google about it: http://www.platinax.co.uk/...google_denies_3.html
PUGDOG� Enterprises, Inc.
The best way to contact me is to NOT use Email.
Please leave a PM here.