ok double posts fixed..... BUT ....I've added a field to the database... and had previously...via your suggestions.... setup the templates and global varialbes to add that field. Apparently looking at my database with MySQlman the data field is there and the fields contain info as they should. It's just now the added field does not appear on the users info page when brought up. Not just the data point, the boxes and etc doe not show up o nthe pages. So I'm assuming it's also template changes I had maded to have that field show up.