ok, heres the deals, i got a snipet of code from jpd to show the signup link and a login link i have the db setup too open as a default user so you start off with view permissions only, well the links for signup and login bring up a login error message??? totally weird also there seems to be alot of sub routines in the script that I have that are not called anywhere i reiterate my earlier comments in regard to something being terribly wrong with these scripts I dl them on Friday the 26 not sure if thats the deals but its too obvious not mention, i had to litereally set everything up from the table html to the colors, I would suggest that a security and/or a integrity test wwas done on the servers , I cant find any information from anywhere about the troubles im having , its like its unique to me, again dont want to be an a** but its awfully annoying, if anyonw can help much appreciated