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Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft. When will they learn??

http://www.microsoft.com/...ulletin/ms01-055.asp

The day MS release a stable product, and thoroughly testing it first will be the day I ... shup up ranting about them <g>. It seems they release their products in BETA mode, and then get the public to unwitingly beta test the software and track bugs - instead of tracking them down themselves before releasing their software. Grrr....

- wil
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We're all Beta testers! All your base are belong to us :-)

- wil
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As long as it doesn't say "security hole in XP" I can keep my dignity :)
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I'll give it three weeks before a serious exploit is found. And that's being generous.

It's actually quite amazing how so many businesses rely on the most unreliable and the most security flauwed product in the world?

- wil
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I don't think thats the case though. I think it is the most used and most targetted OS so holes will always be found. I bet Linux wouldn't be as secure as everyone thinks if a few million hackers decided to make it their aim in life to hack it.
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Umm. Mmm.

Think again.

What do you think the majority (69%) of the web uses as it's bakend?

Unix variant.

Surely the biggest target for hackers recently has been through inseucre web servers and through back doors on Linux systems? Maybe even crashing web sites.

?????

- wil
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No, the hackers hate M$ so they target IIS instead :)
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I don't think that's true, Paul.

Hackers hack where they want tog et into or the information they need. If the server the computer is running is IIS then that's just a bonus because it's so easy to hack.

But Linux servers (especially Apache) are much more difficult to hack. Partly because "hackers" are the people who have built Apache. :-)

- wil
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Ah dear.

Look at all the trojans.....sub7, bo2k etc.....all for Windows. All the recent worms for IIS, NT.

It's pretty obvious.
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CrazyCrazy

ok guys which way is the chat going ...

wil says to paul ---> use linux but then mentions security probs with linux !
paul says to wil ---> never will use linux but mentions secuirty probs with M$ !

well -- will you guys at least stick to your dogma (it's more fun that way and way less confusing!!!) -- or did you change nicks Wink


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that's ok, OS X came out straight as a BETA then offered beta quality as release material. Then got blasted for thinking about charging for the 10.1 update ... Later offered free store wide offered update CDs

linux not sure but everything seems to be in perpetual beta release stage.

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>>paul says to wil ---> never will use linux but mentions secuirty probs with M$ !
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I've never said don't use linux, infact I'm definitely FOR linux as a server OS.

...all I am trying to say is that XP is a hell of a lot better that past versions.
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Blush sorry my bad. errr wait I said, "never will use linux" not "don't use linux" Crazy

late for me and early for you! Do folks in the UK drink coffee in the morning Angelic

totally agree XP is hell of a lot better than past versions, just needs to go hell of a lot farther to be better still!

ahhhh ... come on Paul I'm having a go at you that's all ... err what do you say "having a chit" ??

openoffice + gimp + sketch ... Smile
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>>ahhhh ... come on Paul I'm having a go at you that's all <<

Don't worry I'm used to it and can take it :)

>>... err what do you say "having a chit" ??
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LOL no. "Taking the piss". Pardon my French.

Have you noticed I can't be bothered with quotes anymore? It takes too long.

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RedRum: Nov 10, 2001, 7:51 AM
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Blush was a bit worried for a second there.

I'm blowing off steam trying to figure my way around a problem with a script ... gotta do some digging for print qq and something about a runaway multiline or ??? whatever such not it be....Crazy

so, sorry for razing you a bit! (includes the other post too Laugh)

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"raze" me as much as you like lol....nothing bothers me (well not much Cool).

What is the code causing the error?...attach it to a post if you want

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RedRum: Nov 10, 2001, 8:17 AM
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thanks for the offer ... but I'm gonna try to work on it for another day ... great study ... tough but fun at least. Then I'm gonna cry for help!

Smile

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In Reply To:
I don't think thats the case though. I think it is the most used and most targetted OS so holes will always be found. I bet Linux wouldn't be as secure as everyone thinks if a few million hackers decided to make it their aim in life to hack it.

Coming back to this post.. I like doing this a lot recently...

Hackers turn on open source

Posted by waddy on Sunday, May 19 @ 15:00:04 BST

Big increase in Linux box defacements.

The hacker underground appears to be moving away from targeting Microsoft, as May turns out to be a hot month for attacks on open source security.

Security watchers warned this week that May has seen a dramatic increase in defacements on Linux boxes, most noticeably on those from German speaking domains.

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1131782

- wil
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No wonder Hotmail runs on FreeBSD and Oracle database......Wink

As the evil empire found that it could never realise the dream of testing its own strength on "So Called largest Free Email Service" with the evershrinking mailbox...
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Yea...no way that large email services like Hotmail could run their services on SQL Server, Postgres, or MySQL...too much traffic, users, etc.
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Buh Bye!

Cheers,
Me
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Where did you get that information from? Since Microsoft took ownership of Hotmail they have moved all of their machines over to Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000 servers.

- wil
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Hi,

Oh I am sorry i am late on that. Its not mine definitely.

Check This Out It is some where here that I had the opportunity to read the same. Don't blame me if they are having information of no value Wink

Thnx

Anup
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http://slashdot.org/...148244.shtml?tid=109

- wil
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You have to remember that Windows is not open source...linux on the other hand IS and because of that more advanced computer users turn to linux as thier operating system...then if they find a bug they go and fix it and then post it up for others to do the same. With windows us "computer folk" don't have that liberty. And as far as BETA testing goes, it is totally flawed half the people who get the beta just pirate it out and the other half just uses it without knowing what they are looking for. And I totally agree that if Microsoft did their own dirty work it would be less problems for ALL OF US!
But don't take my word for it... (if you have ever seen "The Reading Rainbow" you know what I am talking about Tongue)

As for your question about "how most businesses use Windows for their business" you have to remember that they use windows because of its nice and user-friendly GUI interface. It is easier for their staff to use it. I don't think (or rather hope) you would not catch one of the admin using windows Wink, I would be quite disappointed. I think the problems start at the schooling level, as a student at high school myself, we are all taught how to use Windows, and the Mac OS rather than Linux which relys more on the user to know commands. I don't know about you, but all I learned about how to use computers in school was how to "POINT AND CLICK." Now I feel deprived Frown.

I use windows too, I dual boot between Linux and Win 2000, but I think that 2000 is far better than XP for sure...it was Windows first OS i feel, 98, 95 and DOS were all just toys built on top of one another...I have a feeling this will be wrong later though...I think that XP just needs a SERVICE Package download Pirate.



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Crapshoot70: Jun 5, 2002, 10:02 AM
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M$ stock is down.

openoffice.org and open source will destroy M$.

period

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Nah, MS won't be destroyed. They will just be broken down into smaller managable companies. But wait, didn't that "supposedly" happen a year ago or so? Man those pplz at MS are so lucky, they get their ass out of the ashtray so many times (before they get burnt). Like when they killed java support for Windows XP, it didn't take a brain surgeon to understand why Sun Microsystems sued the company...I mean comon. Well I should stop talking...they might sue me.



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Yeah. openoffice is fantastic, but unfortunately a no-goer at the moment as it's power point support is so weak. If they just could sort this little area out I'd replace it on all office machines.

- wil
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What is this "openoffice", maybe I am out of touch or not as much of a computer nerd, I don't know. Could someone tell me about it...I want to be informed



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http://www.openoffice.org

- wil
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Go to yahoo.com and type in "openoffice" without the quotes :)
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Yeh, cuz everyone is TOO DAMN LAZY TO TYPE 2 lines that say:

"The product is a multi-platform office productivity suite. It includes the key desktop applications, such as a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation manager, and drawing program"

or...maybe it's me Unsure



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Yeh, cuz everyone is TOO DAMN LAZY TO TYPE 2 lines that say:
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Isn't that irony?

We are too lazy to type those two lines, and you are too lazy to go and read up about what openoffice is at their site Laugh
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Well, to be more precise then, OpenOffice is the open-source code of StarOffice which is now liscened to Sun Microsystems.

And .. it rocks. =)

- wil
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heh...that is what I meant by the line:

"or maybe it's me Unsure"

Paul



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Im only pullin yer leg....us Pauls should gang up :)

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Paul: Jun 6, 2002, 9:30 AM
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Heh. Well it is kinda hard to joke around in text. Unless its really obvious its all monotone =). Words that are perceived as negatives are interpreted by the brain in the most derogatory fashion. Like the initiatory response I often use over chats with friends on ICQ, "What" and they always take it offensively. I just like to cut to the chase...

OR, I have no respect for others and do not perceive them to be 'real individuals' that have 'real' thoughts and feelings. Living lives that are equally or sometimes even more significant than mine. It all boils down to how you "TAKE IT ALL IN"



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I use smilies to convey my intentions...if you see a smile then Im being nice, a wink or tongue is sarcasm....as I've never used an angry face then I can tell you I've never been seriously angry with anyone :)
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ok...who is "Us Pauls" then?



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>>Paul <<

That looked like you'd signed your name, but looking back you were talking to me weren't you?
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Funny Paul...you are very observant...but after the fact



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Is your username a metaphor for your mouth?

Angelic

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Paul: Jun 6, 2002, 10:02 AM
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In a nutshell...YES



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hehe Sun got sooo peeved about the JAVA thing they gave out their Staroffice suite to the open source group just to spite M$ and it's office application. ... I wonder how much they lost in revenues? But then again, SUN is going to enjoying being in the sun for doing it.

So now you have a choice and buy a package software from M$ or just download a pretty dam good package for free.

Which is why gimp (aka photoshop) sketch (aka illustrator) and openoffice (which supports lot more formats than M$ office will) are so dangerous to M$.

Ever notice how Gates and company just don't want to see openoffice get popular?

@M$ being destoryed.
agreed. M$ will remain and Gates will still be rich but probably M$ will turn into some kind of holding company.

M$ also is trying to outdo SONY with some handheld/minipc (hehe forgot which ... I've been since 4am and played a ball game to boot) which means ... household electronic goods will help M$ stay kicking alive if their soon to expand product line can evade your homes.

Buy a cheap box, slap on your favorite *nix and bingo you have office machines that have better contectivity that M$ could ever hope to achieve.

hmmm ... connectivity in a M$ product .... safe???

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Well Java's beef was that XP didn't support it...but all you really need is a SDK download and you are set to go...but as far as open office goes...I think that the presentation program, spreadsheet program, and word processor are OK but...nothing in the world will replace Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop...NOTHING. It's just that Adobe...well all they do is graphics so I would always rely on their product. Same with streaming internet animation and Flash by Macromedia...but it all boils down to what you are comforatable with I guess.



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No. Java's "beef" was that Microsoft made changes to the source and broke liscence agreements long before XP was even born.

- wil
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Well thats one side of the story.....obviously I'd expect you to go that way as you have issues with microsoft.
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No.

Do your research. It's a fact. Microsoft has since settled the case. Read about it here:

http://java.sun.com/lawsuit/

- wil
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Don't patronise me, I wouldn't have said what I said without doing some "research".

You found part of the story, that doesn't equate to the whole story. But as I nor you work for either company then it would be pointless debating what is truth and what isn't and the fact is we don't know and relying on subjective evidence would be a mistake.
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Paul

Sorry, but I completly disagree with you here. I'm not talking about Microsoft's "story", or Sun's "story".

I'm talking about something which was setlled through the US legal system. A legal case. One that sees Sun victorious and Microsoft proven beyond reasonable doubt as being guilty.

Don't take my word for it - read the evidence for yourself:

http://java.sun.com/lawsuit/filings.html

- wil
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They were planning to neglect the support for Java on XP, maybe it started before XP was even drawn up. But I know that there was some problem they had with no Java support for Win XP.

As for your disagreement, I agree somewhat with both of you, on different levels of course.

However, Paul is right...you are only getting part of the whole picture. Wil you of all people should know that Microsoft has a purpose behind everything they do, and it's not only the most obvious one. Unless you witnessed the whole thing first hand you cannot make a sound judgment, or rather one that is 100% accurate.



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No.

I am not talking about XP.

I am talking way, year before XP.

Microsoft altered the source code of Java, without permission and in breach of liscence from Sun Microsystems and that is why they were taken to court and were proven guilty.

Read up on the legal docs provided in above links.

- wil
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Very good points brought up by all.

The Java issue with M$ has been going on for quite a while, as a mac user it's always been fun to watch M$'s next step. Remembering bits and pieces, M$ basically tried to re-do java in their own way .... and got caught ... now you got .NET ... so why would M$ support JAVA? They got what they needed.

Much like pumping $150 million into Apple. They got more than their money's worth probably.

@gimp/sketch

True Adobe's products are great for what they do. If you're a professional I wouldn't use less. But being honest GIMP and Sketch are more than great for most people. I have one friend that sort of benefits by using Adobe's PS and iLL. I've meet professionals in town who could live off gimp/sketch though, too.

GIMP and sketch might never be Adobe but ... for their price and level already attained, you gotta admit that they're pretty decent.

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ughh ... this thread got jacked .... sorrry

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Yeh, they are GREAT products. But who buys this software anymore? The only reason people buy that kind of software now is if they are using it to make a profit.

As far as the whole .net thing goes. That's total bullshit. I mean Java is way more powerful than any language that MS supports in that dumb package, except for C++. And the whole "visual" thing, doesn't go down very well. Java was designed in such a way that Sun made it internet-ready without even noticing it. Just the way that it handles security issues and stuff like that. Java applets that could be loaded onto an internet page, and give you sport updates, stock quotes, the time, count the number of visitors.

About 6 years ago we truly stepped into the computer age. 486's disappeared, then came the P100's, then the P200's and in the past 4 years they have gone from 200 Mhz to 2.2 GHz (i believe this is the highest). Now we are embarking into the "information technology age" where we are all bent on using the internet to get information out to people at faster speeds and make a nice profit doing it.

And now with the other jump of internet programming to put dynamic content on the net, for example the personalization on this board. You login and you write your posts and log out. When I look at the internet and how far it has come in the past few years I think "WOW", the possibilities are endless.

I think that when you get to the point where you can even order your groceries online without even setting foot into a supermarket, THAT IS PROGRESS. But who knows I could be wrong and all this "convenience" could be our undoing. After all the internet can smash all barriers of personal interaction completely, and all we will be is a whole bunch of people staring at a computer screen all day chatting and doing work over the internet.

It's pretty scary when you think about it, how far we have come and how far we can still go. When talking to someone in Japan is as easy as the click of a button, and a translator over the internet changes his japanese text to english so that I can read it, we have the world at our finertips and I believe that that is what the internet is all about. It's not what everyone says, it isn't a "community" it is a meeting place, a meeting place for the entire world.

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Anyways, I have said too much, that is kinda a rant there, when you can go from talking about the .net studio being bullshit to your views on the internet you have crossed that fine line, from response to rant. Still I would enjoy it very much to read about what you guys think so just post it in this topic, I think we have nailed down the whole "Another Microsoft Security Hole" thing. Heh.



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Laugh nice rant Laugh

lolol I live in Japan!
ahh that would be soooo nice. automatic translators.

1 new line of cell phones sort of does this ???? the commerical has it speaking in English, I'm not sure if it's voice activated (ie ... hello -> "konnichiwa", eat -> "Would you like something to eat?" type) or if it's menu driven with select boxes. My iMode has it to accept a name by voice and then automatically dials so, I'm assuming the first idea is probably how it works.

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Yeh I heard that they were working on that...you live in Japan tho, that is pretty much the technological research giant in the world. Japan is making things, that the US, Canada, and the UK haven't even thought up yet...Laugh. I wanna travel to Japan one day and see what it's all about...you think I should QooQ?



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Definitely! that is if you can stand airplanes.

I've always thought that traveling to other countries is always good for people. It helps to see a different part of the world, although, you might be unsatisfied with where you live when you come home.

If you're really into tech goodies Tokyo is the place. Stores and stores of goodies line the streets, well not all over the city but in centralized shopping districts.

Osaka does well too for tech goodies. With the plus that Kyoto is just a simple train ride away and you can even hagle prices in Osaka which is a bit more difficult in Tokyo.

Don't let the high prices scare you. Hotels and toy purchases are by far the most expensive.

cheers!

sorry for jacking the thread Laugh

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Hmm how does the ...yen is it? compare with the Canadian dollar...I will buy all my shit live there for like a year and then bring it all home just so that i don't look suspicious...shhh.

Yeh i heard its a nice place but apparently polution is really bad is that true? I like to travel, I go out west to the canadian rockes and go skiing and snowboarding, nice place...FERNIE kicks ass, its in one of the interiors.

Anywayz, yeh I am doin the ibiza thing this summer with a couple of friends just to chek it out...gotta love clubbin :). Well alot better than what i am used to, toronto is just a busy city with lots of bars...some shit is fun to do but it gets overplayed quickly.

BTW should i take like an introductory Japanese course or something b4 i go or does that not matter?



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hmmm Canadian dollar not sure but recently the yen is sitting at around 124 to 1 US$

@introductory course.
To get your feet wet and to enjoy some parts definitely a plus. Not needed really if you stick to Osaka and Tokyo. Depends on how long you want to stay. Work is pretty limited to English teaching and hard core programming/movie - animetation design.

@polution
Tokyo is pretty bad. I heard if you bike through town you'll be covered in soot.

@outdoors
Sapporo and Hokkaido are great for outdoor activites, skiing/boarding, rafting mountain, hiking and such but horrible for a true Japan adventure.

@purchases
TVs and Radios are on a different frequency. Although, burning devices are really easy to get.

ibiza?

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Ibiza is pretty much the clubbing capital of the world...check it out if you like trance music from the UK and like to attend clubs regularly. Trance is always something that calms my nerves when I do programming cuz I don't somke or anything.

What you mean TVs are on a different frequency...I can't buy a TV there then bring it back home???

Also what can 124 yen get you in JAPAN? And could i buy computer hardware there and bring it home...all the goodies like digital cameras, and flat screen LCD monitors and stuff?



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