I think I just succeeded...but I'll let you know after reading through 'cookilib.pl' I found out that they default to being set at the path they were set from. In this case I was braiing myself trying to understand why I couldn't get at them...for your own info, when you go to use 'em check to make sure that a path is being set in the cookies else you can't get at 'em from another directory...unless you are setting the domain...but that doesn't get used as a default.