>> I'm simply trying to make a tough choice and your post just makes me feel worse than before.
It wasn't supposed to, and I thought hard about taking this to a PM, but I think the information will help others.
You did not list what your choices were, nor what you would base them on. You came with a lot of generalizations, personal/personality things, and _NOTHING_ specifically related to the attributes of the software.
I think you are coming here with a lot of baggage from something else. Your references to egos, and being talked down to, and such are somewhat surprising here. You also said you have not been around in awhile. In otherwords, you loaded the board before you started to post your questions.
I did a search on your username, and posts, and over half it seems, are in the chit-chat forum, and were directed to Paul. That does not seem to be the way to "learn" about a program. Very few of the posts were in the GFORUM area, which you said you wanted to learn, and the ones you have, were scattered back as far as 2002. Not quite an "effort" in learning anything, I'm afraid.
You may feel that someone 10 feet tall is talking over you, but you are dealing with a very, very complex program and super-powered utilities. It's not that someone is talking over you, it's that you did not invest the same effort into learning GT's GForum, as you did for vBulletin. You obviously decided to learn PHP. You could have chosen to learn PERL instead. While you might not know how to bless references or write complicated regexes, you most certainly would have been able to write your own globals with minimal help. GT's engine code objectifies and encapsulates, as well as modularizes and wraps lower level routines into very, very simple function calls. You get a lot of power with 2-3 lines of code.
First off, it seems you posted and asked a lot of questions in a PHP forum, or a vBulletin forum. Had you done the same here, you'd have gotten a lot of good responses and help. If you go in with a bad, it's not going to work attitude, that is what you are goiong to get.
The _difference_ is that PHP is *not* perl. Despite it's development, it started out as a "personal home page processer" and not a "practical extraction and reporting language." Perl's strength for the web is that it's a scripting language heavily string-processing based, and perfect for web applications.
The problem here is one of mind set. You already have decided you don't like us, yet you like our sand box and toys very much. Can't help you there. Your messages are very different from messages posted by other people who are trying to, or have tried to, make the same or similar decisions. You have made up your mind, and want us to change it, but you haven't told us how.
>> I respect your knowledge and opinions but a little empathy goes a long way.
What empathy? This is where the problem is.
>> I have used GForum for over almost two years and played with vBulletin for a couple months. I feel much more comfortable with the latter
This is what I mean, you've made up your mind, now, in two messages. What do you want??
>> and just telling me that GT is better is not helpful.
I didn't "just" tell you the GT programs are better. I _EXPLAINED_ in DETAIL why.
>> I'm more interested in functionality than aesthetics.
What functionality? You listed no needs, other than which program, which company and which language is better.
>> Furthermore, having an excellent product is important but knowing how to sell it is even more important.
Hmmm..... GT seems to sell it quite well. the products speak for themselves, and they don't need to have a sales pitch to make you believe the program works, or does, what you want.
If you have a _SPECIFIC_ requirement, there are many here who can let you know how to handle it.
I'm not trying to start a war here, or to reply negatively, and I think I posted very informative messages based on your initial post, but this message seemed like a troll to me, and after looking up your past messages here, I'm half-convinced that it was.
Please ask SPECIFIC questions about what you need, or what you are looking for, and why you like something elses features, and if GT has it built in, or a plugin exists to do it.
In short: Telling you GT's software is the best, and why it's the best, and why I/we have chosen to develop for it, is the answer to the question you posted. For a full feature set, look up the product page off the top menu. If you have specific questions on specific features, we'll offer a comparason. But no program out there -- links based, forum based, or mail based, has as robust a feature set, as well devleoped set of core libraries, the depth of ability to maintain the programs by 3rd parties not one developer or company and as loyal a developer base. Most developers here run their own sites, and the programs/plugins they develop are for those sites, based in real need, and real experience.
That is the answer to the question you posted, without any personal attacks -- head on, or side ways.
PUGDOG� Enterprises, Inc.
The best way to contact me is to NOT use Email.
Please leave a PM here.
It wasn't supposed to, and I thought hard about taking this to a PM, but I think the information will help others.
You did not list what your choices were, nor what you would base them on. You came with a lot of generalizations, personal/personality things, and _NOTHING_ specifically related to the attributes of the software.
I think you are coming here with a lot of baggage from something else. Your references to egos, and being talked down to, and such are somewhat surprising here. You also said you have not been around in awhile. In otherwords, you loaded the board before you started to post your questions.
I did a search on your username, and posts, and over half it seems, are in the chit-chat forum, and were directed to Paul. That does not seem to be the way to "learn" about a program. Very few of the posts were in the GFORUM area, which you said you wanted to learn, and the ones you have, were scattered back as far as 2002. Not quite an "effort" in learning anything, I'm afraid.
You may feel that someone 10 feet tall is talking over you, but you are dealing with a very, very complex program and super-powered utilities. It's not that someone is talking over you, it's that you did not invest the same effort into learning GT's GForum, as you did for vBulletin. You obviously decided to learn PHP. You could have chosen to learn PERL instead. While you might not know how to bless references or write complicated regexes, you most certainly would have been able to write your own globals with minimal help. GT's engine code objectifies and encapsulates, as well as modularizes and wraps lower level routines into very, very simple function calls. You get a lot of power with 2-3 lines of code.
First off, it seems you posted and asked a lot of questions in a PHP forum, or a vBulletin forum. Had you done the same here, you'd have gotten a lot of good responses and help. If you go in with a bad, it's not going to work attitude, that is what you are goiong to get.
The _difference_ is that PHP is *not* perl. Despite it's development, it started out as a "personal home page processer" and not a "practical extraction and reporting language." Perl's strength for the web is that it's a scripting language heavily string-processing based, and perfect for web applications.
The problem here is one of mind set. You already have decided you don't like us, yet you like our sand box and toys very much. Can't help you there. Your messages are very different from messages posted by other people who are trying to, or have tried to, make the same or similar decisions. You have made up your mind, and want us to change it, but you haven't told us how.
>> I respect your knowledge and opinions but a little empathy goes a long way.
What empathy? This is where the problem is.
>> I have used GForum for over almost two years and played with vBulletin for a couple months. I feel much more comfortable with the latter
This is what I mean, you've made up your mind, now, in two messages. What do you want??
>> and just telling me that GT is better is not helpful.
I didn't "just" tell you the GT programs are better. I _EXPLAINED_ in DETAIL why.
>> I'm more interested in functionality than aesthetics.
What functionality? You listed no needs, other than which program, which company and which language is better.
>> Furthermore, having an excellent product is important but knowing how to sell it is even more important.
Hmmm..... GT seems to sell it quite well. the products speak for themselves, and they don't need to have a sales pitch to make you believe the program works, or does, what you want.
If you have a _SPECIFIC_ requirement, there are many here who can let you know how to handle it.
I'm not trying to start a war here, or to reply negatively, and I think I posted very informative messages based on your initial post, but this message seemed like a troll to me, and after looking up your past messages here, I'm half-convinced that it was.
Please ask SPECIFIC questions about what you need, or what you are looking for, and why you like something elses features, and if GT has it built in, or a plugin exists to do it.
In short: Telling you GT's software is the best, and why it's the best, and why I/we have chosen to develop for it, is the answer to the question you posted. For a full feature set, look up the product page off the top menu. If you have specific questions on specific features, we'll offer a comparason. But no program out there -- links based, forum based, or mail based, has as robust a feature set, as well devleoped set of core libraries, the depth of ability to maintain the programs by 3rd parties not one developer or company and as loyal a developer base. Most developers here run their own sites, and the programs/plugins they develop are for those sites, based in real need, and real experience.
That is the answer to the question you posted, without any personal attacks -- head on, or side ways.
PUGDOG� Enterprises, Inc.
The best way to contact me is to NOT use Email.
Please leave a PM here.
