So yes the "Real Games" have started now. Fluor, one of five firms controversially invited by the US government to bid for a $600 million contract to rebuild Iraqi roads and public buildings has a shady background wrt to brutalisation of blacks in south africa.....it has emerged that Jay Garner, the retired US general who will oversee Iraqi reconstruction, is facing legal action over his activities while president of a defence company, SY Technology (now SY Coleman).

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So the Messiahs Of Liberation and Prophets Of Democracy indeed have a "Classical Democratic Style" of doing it when it comes to taking a larger bite....

*Paul wonders if anti-americans are just jealous of the west*

And I wonder that every F_a_c_t that hurts the "American Sentiments" is interpreted as being Anti American. I am really sorry if i am unaware of the fact that American Corporations are allowed to torture blacks.... and American Corporations are allowed to Gas innocent sleeping civilians and the never hand over the person concerned to under go a trial.....

Well if the American Civilization allows all this then there's nothing that can be discussed on this

Cool lets' not dicuss it, it's a little boring anyway.

You should go get a McDonalds and watch MTV =)

Never eat any of those stuff which fund the American WMD programs.... No Jeans... No McDonald's..... No Coke/Pepsi... No KFC etc etc....And No MTVsssss

Can I ask what operating system your computer uses?

One PC is having OS of Evil Empire the company which donated 250000 USD to Al Qaida network.... On the Hardware front it's Compaq again a company which had also donated to Al Qaida network.

The other PC is on Linux.....

I was hoping you'd say that. The irony kills me with laughter =)

Crashing Blue Box is already due for being packed off .... Well i would do that for sure (that's why the second pc with linux is being made ready) so i think your joy is going to be shortlived on this front.

Yawn....

Hurries to put the mask on to avoid catching SARS :=)

From what I've heard, you are more likely to pass it on to us than vice versa =)

Yep from the Censored press briefings of western media even i have heard similar reasoning. We do not have a censorship on press like CNN, MSNBC etc where reporters are just sacked when they adhere to doctrines of 'Free Press'

And there has not been any reported case of detection or death here so far.

Heh, our media is far more sophisticated and broader than in the east, oh well I wouldn't expect you to realise that as you have fallen foul of all the propoganda your government has fed you.

The point you have clearly missed it that of the discovery of SARS. It was in the east meaning you are more likely to come into contact with it

We do not have government funded Propaganda here because the Propoganda funded by Government is aimed at "Confused And Undecided" minds rather than the intelligentsia. So Bush went about that media campaign for winning over the confused minds.


Yep and it has travelled far and wide except here. Wouldn't be surprised if SARS is taken as an excuse for Bombing N Korea, because as usual documents could be forged and lies conjured up to provide justification that it was a biological weapon aimed at US.

Exactly, so you we sucked in by your government like I already said =)


Yeah you are probably right .

If you can't provide any sort of sensible argument then it's probably not worth making any. I'm sure we could all start posting garbage about what governments will "probably" do and what we'd like them to do, yada, yada, but in the end it doesn't really achieve anything other than appearing as flame bait without any real substance.

U comfortably picked up part of a sentence from the full para to justify your confused state of mind.

As if The Coalition of the Willing provided anything except concocted lies for "Bombing Before Buying" adventure on Iraq. Yep anything that defies inhumane American Logic would be Garbage for sure.

Not sure how many times I need to tell you I'm not American before it sinks in =)

Anyhow, I've lost interst. A lot of what you are saying is quite silly to a rational human being, so it's time for me to do something more constructive....

I'm not an American either....and I feel the same way about this matter as Paul. Is it that hard to believe?

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I am sure that the debate is on Bush Policy/ Doctrines. Obviously no one would call more than 30% Americans opposing the war as Anti American with same zeal and fervour with which others are comfortably tagged as.....for organizing the "Pre emptive" acts of voilence.

If you had a serious point to make I certianly wouldn't call you anti-american and I think people including myself would be more willing to listen to you, but your method of communication is lacking somewhat and comes across more as mild racism.

I expect it wouldn't be well received if I went to an Indian/Pakinstani forum and started making an abundance of threads criticizing all the immigrants that come over to Britain and set up corner shops.

What happened to India's caste system?
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It still exists despite all the efforts of missionaries to hang that. Its existence is an apparent defiance to accepting US doctrine. I still remeber how as a school kid 30 years back was pinched to death by a nun just because in my school bag i had my deitie's icon. And that nu was American BTW...

Good for her.

despite all the adulation Christianity could not be imposed on Hinduism...

Doesn't bother me. I'm not trying to impose my religion on anyone.

That nun tried to by her actions. Since she could not bribe me into conversion she tried to terrorise me which did not work...

How is the caste system essentially different from apartheid?

Is the Indian government secular, socialist and democratic in principle?

Has the Indian government officially ended the caste system and have a policy of affirmative discrimination for the "depressed" classes?
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Yep as there are more muslims in India than Pakistan.
Christians are freely allowed to bribe the poor into conversion.
Persians/Zoarastrians do not complain about being repressed.
Sikhism started and was allowed to flourish in India.
Buddism and Jainism started from India and moved to other parts of the world. the list is endless.

Definitely India does not adopt the Bushism Democratic/Secular principles. None of Indian leaders have ever made ladenish type statement like "I have Been sent by God" to do what i am doing. And we do not have a diocese being sued for 3 million usd for sex scams....


Oh Well it means that Christianity would want an end to Hinduism. Why would Indian Government be doing anything against Hindus while allowing all privilages to minorities.

So misinformed/desperate was the missionary here that they labelled the dalits (who are followers of buddhism) as depressed class and they even dared to fund a group to travel to an international forum.

This country never throws a missionary out on grounds of threat to Hinduism (Like reagan did when he threw out Osho from Oregon and teamed up with his UK compatriot in not allowing him to step in UK under the pre text that he was a threat to Christianity.)

And if Aparthied is equated to caste system i think history text books will have to be re written world over.

I'm wondering what the purpose of your threads are. Are you just making a point of how much you dislike the west?

Would you not want west and east to get along?

You are obviously against war and terrorism as most people are, but with an opinion as strong as yours it is just creating a division rather than a bond.

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Don't tell me 24 years was not enough to have a "Non Western Media" look at the facts....

Your explanations seem circular and capricous to me. Maybe if you explained what you want/support instead of what you don't want/support, that would help others understand your point of view. Suggesting a possible solution would be much more constructive than simply protesting others suggestions/ideas.
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True. I am against both but with a correction. 'For' war when it comes to fighting the aggressors though the aggressors may comfortably lable this view point as of a "Terrorist" type.


If it is democratically chosen and not militarily or psuedo militarily (sanctions -- a crippling weapons of mass destruction) imposed.

The aggressors were the handful of people who managed to kill over 3000 innocent people in New York.

If there were no terrorists, there would be no war in Iraq. Perhaps you need to look closer to home for a resolution to your woes. Tell all your eastern colleagues to not kill innocent people to try to justify their religious and political stance and then they won't get hunted down.

Well i had to make an effort to provide facts (often distatseful to western world).

Countless times such attempts have been categorized as 'Anti American'

Suggesting A Stop To (though oit would be most unlikely event to happen given the Assumed Aura Of Superiority By US):

• Creating Blue Eyed Boys For Creating Regional Disturbances and later labelling them as Terrorists, Anti American and then make the ordinary citizens pay for it with their blood. All for a few dollars more......The list of Frankestien Monsters all created by US are endless.
• Let the World and Civilization Co Exist instead of trying to impose American Wish and style of democracy on others.

We welcome facts, it makes a change from your past rambling nonsense.

Paul the problem is that all the persons on Scene have selectively and comfortably turned a blind eye to what US did in the past which lead to 911. Bin laden is a CIA Blue eyed boy. So is Saddam. ( I use 'is' for both of them as there is no confirmation of elimination) So all the so called attrocities which form the basis of So Called Wars of Liberation are in fact Gift of US to Human Civilization thru these monsters carved by US foreign policy. But such bitter facts are comfortably ignored.

These things happen when a nation starts playing 'Pied Piper' to the tunes of Some Other Nations on "Freind's List"


These woes would be definitely solved just like the previous unsuccessful attempt to destabilize my 'Home' by vested western interests.

So what did lead to it?

Infact, irrespective of that, the bottom line is there is no excuse for terrorism. It sounds like you are trying to justify the actions of terrorists by claiming they had a "reason".

Americans do not instigate terrorism, they defend against it.

I stopped providing any facts as it was usually labelled Anti America. So I provided you with the opportunity of having the pleasure of categorizing as per your interpretation of affairs.

Again misinterpreted as usual. the point is that American Foreig Policy and willful but controlled spread of these elements by constant pampering and funding thru CIA has been the cause. In short White House has bred these so called terrorists and that to to operate on foreign soil armed with chemical and other WMD again from US.

Paul,

Obviously India has no political scandal or corporate malfeasance. India will never use nuclear or chemical weapons in an aggressive manner. India's military spending and order of battle dwarfs all neighbors but China, but is purely defensive. And most importantly India a benchmark for human rights and worker's rights that we should all look to.

We should thank anup123 for his cleverness at having uncovered the evils of American and British intent and model ourselves after him. Perhaps even start our own religion like his hero Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. There's nothing like a little tax fraud, murder for hire, or immigration crimes to start the day off right.

Nothing of this sort:

http://www.ratical.org/...CAH/ultAgent.html#p2

Well no tongues are cut right under American Nose in Uzbekistan and Rwanda.

No First Use Declaration Is Already On records. If evry nation sticks to that then there would be no use. The next question that would come from u is why have it. Yes why can't other nations have it if the nation which used it refuses to give it up?


Freedom Of Speech and Expression. His Ashram in Pune has more Americans than Indians.


Peaceful Coexistence does not mean castrating. That's American wish ... Castrate others so that Americans can look in the Mirror and say to themselves ....they are the only Men surviving.


look at what is happening in uzbekistan and Rwanda

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Well avoided =)

I think we may have come to the root, so to speak, of anup123's vehnomence. An unfortunate deep seated fear of national inferiority.

I'm just surprised he hates us more than he hates you guys.

I am really surprised. The inferiority is rooted deep within America (epitomised by Rumsfeld & Co) when his Orion Satellite could not track down movements and developments which culminated in the nuclear tests. Then that spy plane of Garry Powers notoriety was sent over Indian Airspace and was ready to be shot down during egress, which was not shot down only on request to avoid embarassment of the scale when a similar stuff was shot down over Russia/USSR.

Oh Boy....what a comment coming from a nation which feels most inferior on absolute terms. And instead of asking me for evidence of what i have said i think u can ask Rumsfeld and he would hand over the whole transcript of his feelings........

If USS E (1971) could not make us feel inferior nothing could but just as I said..... castrating others so that Americans are the only Men left is the deepest inferiority complex...

You really need to work on your phrasing if you're even going to have a chance at that information minister position.

At least Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf had some poetry in his bag of tricks.

Who would like to work for 'Thieves Of Baghdad'

Now see that's a little catchy, but it doesn't really pop. You need to throw in more invectives, keep working at it.

Few setup corner shops and many give signed cheques to Tony Blair in return for lobbying for a steel plant in Romania, cheques for maintaing the London Zoo in return for some favour etcetra etcetra and surprisingly enough none of those Corupt 'Corruption Rating Agencies' ever bring this under definition of corruption. Instead they have that 'Fees for Good Education' and such stuff as Corruption Credit rating system and all being from a sampling system which itself is dubious.