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PERL = Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Listers
Is it just me, or have you noticed the same questions are asked over-n-over in this forum; sometimes asked two or three times the same day???

Have you noticed that the answer is often, "This question has been answered many times. I'm not answering it again."

Rather than answer questions with non-answers, wouldn't it make more sense to have a FAQ area that actually has the answers to FAQ? I don't get it...

This F-Troop relationship that contributors like AnthroRules takes with other members is getting old. If you're going to pour your creative energies into trying to explain a lump of code, then do it. Otherwise, save the posturing for your wife and kids.

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Re: PERL = Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister In reply to
'Is it just me, or have you noticed the same questions are asked over-n-over in this forum; sometimes asked two or three times the same day???'

Yep the same questions are asked alot.

'Have you noticed that the answer is often, "This question has been answered many times. I'm not answering it again."'

No the normal response is 'search the forum', which is actually a good point which makes sense. It gets people into good habbits. ie. always search the forum first. If you can not find it after searching then post the question.

'Rather than answer questions with non-answers, wouldn't it make more sense to have a FAQ area that actually has the answers to FAQ? I don't get it...'

There already is an FAQ area

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/...Links/FAQ/index.html

If people feel something should be in there then just submit a thread to the resource section.
Smile



Good Luck!

Glenn


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No the normal response is 'search the forum', which is actually a good point which makes sense. It gets people into good habbits. ie. always search the forum first.
I see. Forget the answers. Instead, teach them to use search engines...

Main Entry: eclec·tic
Pronunciation: e-'klek-tik
Function: adjective
Etymology: Greek eklektikos, from eklegein to select, from ex- out + legein to gather
Date: 1683
1 : selecting what appears to be best in various doctrines, methods, or styles
2 : composed of elements drawn from various sources; also : HETEROGENEOUS
- eclec·ti·cal·ly / adverb

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There already is an FAQ area.

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/...Links/FAQ/index.html
Yes, I have been there. 1 FAQ for Links 1 (rather ironic, no?) and 14 FAQ's for Links 2.

Main Entry: rub·bish
Pronunciation: 'rub-bish
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English - robys
Date: 15th century
1 : useless waste or rejected matter : TRASH
2 : something that is worthless or nonsensical
- rub·bishy / adjective

Thank you for proving points two and three. Would anyone care to try one and four? :)

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This F-Troop relationship that contributors like AnthroRules takes with users is getting old. If your going to pour your creative energies into trying to explain a lump of code, then do it. Otherwise, save the posturing for your wife and kids.
I think Eliot, myself and others have every right to tell people to search and to not answer the same questions over and over. We help people in our spare time and get no payment so why should we sit here providing the answers for everyone who is too lazy to search?

It seems that people think that they can just take the easy route and simply post a question and everone will rush to provide them with code and then when this doesn't happen you can't handle it.

Fair enough if you can't find the answer after searching we are happy to help - but when you post a message *claiming to have searched* when really you haven't, that is what is frustrating for us. A lot of members seem to think that seaching invloves a 2 minute browse of threads when really you should spend time entering keywords in the the search box and then search the resulting threads - a proper search could take 15-30 minutes.

Maybe if members did that then Eliot and myself wouldn't have to keep telling people to search as they would find the answer themselves!

Oh...and no-one is stopping you from submitting threads to the FAQ area so if you aren't happy with the number of resources then submit some yourself instead of (again) expecting someone else to do the work for you.

Paul Wilson.
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'I see. Forget the answers. Instead, teach them to use search engines...'

No it's not forgetting the answers. If you use the search engine you will find the answers for most things have been already posted before. This customisation forum has over 40000 posts so that's huge amount of information available there. I don't see the need to have to post things over and over again when the same answers can be found by just searching the forum.

'Yes, I have been there. 1 FAQ for Links 1 (rather ironic, no?) and 14 FAQ's for Links 2.'

I agree it could be better, so if anyone had the time to spend improving it by posting some FAQ's then thats a good idea.

Anyway this thread becomming irrelevent (alittle bit like your constant quotes.Smile) So basically searching the forum does provide many answers and if you don't like the FAQ then do some about it by posting some FAQ's.

Good Luck!

Glenn


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Well said Glennu.

Paul Wilson.
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Thank you, Paul, for that amazing piece of circular logic.

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I think Eliot, myself and others have every right to tell people to search and to not answer the same questions over and over.
Why?
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We help people in our spare time and get no payment...
And, to whom do you provide the answers?
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...everyone who is too lazy to search...
Why does this bother you?
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We help people in our spare time and get no payment...
So, what is the problem?
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It seems that people think that they can just take the easy route and simply post a question...
And, why is this a problem?
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...we sit here providing the answers for everyone who is too lazy to search...
What you are doing here, Paul, is assuming the very thing you are trying to prove. This trick is always cloaked in the careful use of synonyms or long-winded arguments so convoluted that you lose your way before you get to the end. I'm not falling for it.

Once again, if you want to answer questions, then answer them. Don't give us a bunch of rubbish and expect gratitude, however. That's pathological.

One of the tell-tale signs of insanity is doing the same thing over-n-over again and expecting a different result each time. If the pathologically eclectic rubbish listers, or PERL's, in this forum want to continue this behavior, that's their problem --- not the members that dare ask the questions.

That takes care of points one and four. I quess you can close the thread now, Alex :)
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It seems to me like you haven't thought your argument through very carefully.

I would like to see how you coped if Eliot, Junko, Glennu, Pugdog etc....left the forums and never returned.

You would be sitting here twiddling your thumbs without a hope in hell of achieving anything.

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Don't give us a bunch of rubbish and expect gratitude, however.
Who says we expect gratitude?

A bunch of rubbish?......As I mentioned further up this post - if the other members didn't give you answers then you wouldn't have a clue what to do. You are clearly a greedy selfish person who expects something for nothing...so I suggest you go and learn something for yourself instead of expecting ohers to *hold your hand*.

You know its quite funny and ironic that you start this thread basically begging for people to provide you with better answers and yet you says the answers are rubbish....do you really expect everyone to start apologising to you and rushing to answer your posts after saying that?

Paul Wilson.
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Re: PERL = Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister In reply to
I just have one question...

Why are people always starting trouble in this forum?

Eliot and such people provide their help free of charge so what gives you the right to judge how they give it? If you don't like the way they give help DON'T TAKE IT!

Simple as that.

Ryan

 
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That is the point I am trying to make in my roundabout way but you expressed it in a better way.

Thanks.

Paul Wilson.
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I just have one question...

Why are people always starting trouble in this forum? ...Eliot and such people provide their help free of charge so what gives you the right to judge how they give it?

(That's two questions! -ed.)
This is an example of another thing I see on this forum all the time, the "ad hominem attack". It's the technique of ignoring the argument in favor of attacking the source. It might also be regarded as an example of the "style over substance" fallacy, in which the manner in which the argument is presented is felt to somehow affect the truth (or lack thereof) of the argument.

In this example, RMS holds his nose high in the air, sniffs loudly for everyone to hear, and then proclaims (even more loudly) that no one should listen to any of my arguments because I'm a trouble maker. I'm not going to bother arguing about whether I'm a nice human being - my wife seems to think I am, and that's enough for me.

The point is that even if I am just as rude as certain detractors claim, that doesn't affect the validity of my arguments.

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Well,

You seem to know everything that goes on in these forums. You should know that this type of argument comes up pretty often and nothing ever comes of it except that good mods are taken off the net.

I am not defending anybody, maybe some of the people in this forum ARE rude, but why don't you just ignore it. You think just because you brought it up everybody is going to change and act how you want them to. Reality check: THEY WON'T!

Ryan

 
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Snap Head,

4 people have been involved in this thread and I think that 3 of them know who is right and who is wrong...can you guess who?

By the way..next time post your thread in the correct forum - what does your original post have to do with Links2 customization?....NOTHING!

The title of the thread clearly suggests that you started it to make trouble so I don't know why any of us even bothered responding to you. I will know for the future.

Paul Wilson.
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Would I like an index? Yes, I would.

Would I like a list of commonly asked questions along with the answers? Yes, I would.

Would I like for you to do those things for me? Yes, I would. YES, YES, YES!

And you can do it and not know one thing about Links or Perl. It would not be hard to identify the recurring questions. You can see them; they are obvious. Take a few of your available hours each day and build that list. Use a free hosting site like geocities.com or homestead.com. It shouldn't take you more than a month or two. I for one would be greatful and I am sure that others that follow would be greatful for your efforts. You would be the KING of LINKS HELP. Think of it. Your 15 minutes of fame. You could tell Eliot, Glenn, Paul, Thomas, et. al. to go to hell. Then when a newbie asks a question on the forum, YOU could be the person that provides the free answer. You could rob those experts of the thrill of typing "Search for it, dummie!" You could just type in the URL of your help page!

Creating that HELP index would not be difficult for a person with your obviously high intellect. And you certainly have a way with words a HELP board needs a good word merchant.

I nominate you to help all of us struggling "Links wanna be's." Create that board...!!!

We love ya' Baby!

Gene
 
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On the other hand, every forum has its own way of doing things. If you don't like it, your can try to change it or you can go to another forum or start your own forum.

But you will never change things by personal attacks on the members. Even us who don't know perl from osyters or links from chains will justifiably rise up against you.

But do something that shows us all a better way and you will be the Pied Piper of Hamlin.

Just my 2 cents from a number cruncher

Smile

Gene
 
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...so many blinding bright lights,
splashing all over the pages,
in a million bits and pieces,
all of which were words, words, words,
and each of which were alive forever...
-Dylan Thomas

Hahaha! You're the best, Gene!!!

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I've been watching the FLAMES grow hotter for days now. Although I have written several long comments that I had intended to post, I've retracted them as I do not want to contribute to threads of this nature. I have suggested to Alex to appoint new moderators.

Happy Coding,

--Drew
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Hmmm.....

This is a stupid discussion.

For some topics I searched for hours and hours with the serachfunction of this forum, and couldn't find a proper answer to my question, so I post my question.

But with those stupid discussions and opinions some people are going to nerv Elliot, Paul, Glen and the others.

No wonder, when they stop to provide their mods for free.

When I'm right, this was one of the details which made widgetz to drop off here.

Well, I'm thankfull to everyone who make amod or gives a hint for a searchtopic, even if the hint doesn't bring the result I'm searching for.

Ok, the FAQ section is a little bit poor, but with a little bit of time and some good ideas for searching, you can find everything in here and the other forums.

Regards

Michael

[ :: http://www.muyo.de :: ]
[ :: today a good day to die, let's install Windows ME :: ]
 
Shark Attack!!! Shark Attack!!! In reply to
Get out of the water and don't look back!!! This thread reminds me of JAWS:

"Anti-shark cage?
"You go inside the cage?
"Cage goes in the water?
"You go in the water?
"Shark's in the water... Our shark?"

"Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies.
"Farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spain.
"For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston.
"And so nevermore shall we be seeing you again."

Better stick to PERL diving, boys!!!

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JAWS II

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/...w=collapsed&sb=5

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Hi

Could Alex or somebody please close this thread, are we back in the school playground.



These message boards were a great help until some people started to use them as moaning centres, if you get something for free, be grateful, if you pay for something and it does not work complain.

If other people are willing to spend some of their time helping others even if you don't like the way they do it, they do not deserve the crap that is being dished out here, please just go away until you learn some manners.

May I personally thank Eliot Paul Glenu etc etc, for all their help and time and please just treat these people with the contempt that they deserve.
Mad

DavyC

ps this is the watered down version on how I feel

 
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Davy,

I think all of the volunteers and mod authors will greatly appreciate your thanks as well as the thanks that other members give, however there seem to be a few users who aren't very appreciative in the slightest and it is this lack of respect that causes arguments and in turn, gives people like me a bad name, when really all I am trying to do is stand up for what I believe in.

I used to shout at Eliot for the way he spoke to people and I now realise how wrong I was because it is so easy to get frustrated with people when they take your work for granted and expect you to be there for them 24/7. It is comments like yours that spur us on to make more mods and comments by the other handful of users that cause us to withdraw mods.

Anyway thanks for your vote of confidence.

Paul Wilson.
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Could Alex or somebody please close this thread, are we back in the school playground. These message boards were a great help until some people started to use them as moaning centres...
Good morning. It's a beautiful day, isn't it?

Your point is well taken, DavyC, even though you're moaning a bit yourself this morn. Must have been a rough one... :)

I thought these PERL sharks might be in these waters alone. So, I surfed around the other Links forums. My gawd, they are everywhere.

Try it for yourself, my friends. Go to ANY Links forum, click on ANY thread, read the first few responses, then hit the 'next' button and do the same.

If you can find three consecutive posts without AnthroRules attacking someone for either posting in the wrong forum, not searching the threads long enough, or generally not kissing his butt, I'll never post another message on this topic again.

In the meantime, the game is afoot.

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Snap Head - maybe you should take a look at the *Forum Posts* thread in the Announcements forum and then have a re-think.

I think the way you are behaving is pretty childish and you are making a fool of yourself.

I think the thread should stop.....

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