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Oh do we have a problem. We have written Jack weeks ago to get a solution to this, and haven't heard anything. I thought by posting it here we maybe would have more attention. We are receiving more and more of these bugs.

Yahoo groups sends a lot of mail to our system. Currently, when a bounce happens.. such as an overquota user, it returns thousands of messages to the original "From", even though it should be returning to Yahoo.


It looks like the "X-Egroups-Return" and the "X-Envelope-Return" is not where the bounces are going, which is what they should be doing. They're instead going to the "From".

But why is the Gmail processing thousands of bounces stating that the user "sissykrissy" is overquota? The account is overquota... but shouldn't it bounce once and return to "X-Egroups-Return" address? The poor user "UserX@webtv.net" listed in the "From" is some unsuspecting end user, and he received all the bounces!

sissykrissy@sissify.com did receive her mail. It's in her box. Why the bounces then? Why the duplication?

So, I am receiving all kindsa nastygrams from people trying to post to these groups that we have email users that are members of.

Please help, I am being threatened with lawsuits, and all kindsa nastiness!

>X-Envelope-From: UserX@webtv.net
>X-WebTV-Signature: 1
> ETAuAhUAnURvpgt/XlC1y6m2BGuZTlbciIoCFQC73RITQ2PVkwTZR7gKMpAJMrYLxg==
>From: UserX@webtv.net (Users Name)
>Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:50:00 -0800 (PST)
>To: staff@sissify.com
>Cc: abuse@sissify.com
>Subject: Re: Sissify feMail: Undeliverable Message! YOUR ABUSE
>BACK! Close this account. FOR WEEKS
>now you are spamming thousands of
>people each week! STOP or I will sue you
>Received: from smtpin-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net ( by
> storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 23 Mar
> 2002 10:48:01 -0800 (PST)
>Received: by smtpin-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id
> 9238A7F3A; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:46:01 -0800 (PST)
>Delivered-To: UserX@webtv.net
>Received: from harmony.he.net (harmony.he.net []) by
> smtpin-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP
> id B5E667F05 for <UserX@webtv.net>; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:46:00
> -0800 (PST)
>Received: (from femail@localhost) by harmony.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) id
> KAA29240; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:46:00 -0800
>Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:46:00 -0800
>Message-Id: <200203231846.KAA29240@harmony.he.net>
>From: staff@sissify.com
>Subject: Sissify feMail: Undeliverable Message!
>To: UserX@webtv.net
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Reply-To: staff@sissify.com
>X-Gloop: Sissify feMail
>X-Loop: Sissify Mail
>This is the Electrik PostMistress at Sissify.com.
>Regarding your message entitled:
>NE Men: Humor: Woman meets a man in a bar. They talk, they connect,. .
>I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message
>to 'bi-men-northeast@yahoogroups.com, bi-men-midwest@egroups.com,
>bi-men-south@egroups.com, bi-men-texas@egroups.com,
>bi-men-west@egroups.com, bi-men-california@egroups.cm
'. Reason: User is
>over quota.
>The full headers are below.
>Sorry it didn't work out!
>The House of Sissify feMail Systems
>Return-Path: <enigma@diversity.he.net>
>Received: from diversity.he.net (diversity.he.net []) by
>harmony.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA29108 for
><femail@harmony.he.net>; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:43:58 -0800
>Received: (from enigma@localhost) by diversity.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) id
>KAA06890 for femail@harmony.he.net; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:44:01 -0800
>Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com []) by
>diversity.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA06887 for
><sissykrissy@sissify.com>; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:44:00 -0800
>Received: from [] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar
>2002 18:43:26 -0000
>Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 18:43:22 -0000
>Received: (qmail 4419 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 18:43:21 -0000
>Received: from unknown ( by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP;
>23 Mar 2002 18:43:21 -0000
>Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net)
>( by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 18:43:21
>Received: from storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net
>(storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net []) by
>mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id
>9238C125D; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:43:21 -0800 (PST)
>Received: (from production@localhost) by
>storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id
>KAA09443; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:43:21 -0800 (PST)
>Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:43:20 -0800 (PST)
>From: UserX@webtv.net
>Subject: NE Men: Humor: Woman meets a man in a bar. They talk, they connect,. .
>To: bi-men-northeast@yahoogroups.com, bi-men-midwest@egroups.com,
>bi-men-south@egroups.com, bi-men-texas@egroups.com,
>bi-men-west@egroups.com, bi-men-california@egroups.cm
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="WebTV-Mail-29762-640"
>Message-Id: <16365-3C9CCCC8-1174@storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net>
>Delivered-To: mailing list bi-men-northeast@yahoogroups.com
>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:bi-men-northeast-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>
>Mailing-List: list bi-men-northeast@yahoogroups.com; contact
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Precedence: bulk
>X-Apparently-To: bi-men-northeast@egroups.com
>X-Egroups-From: UserX@webtv.net (Senders Name)
>X-Envelope-To: <sissykrissy@sissify.com>
>X-Sender: UserX@webtv.net
>X-Webtv-Signature: 1
>X-Yahoo-Profile: handymanstewart

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For anyone else who runs into this, it turned out to be because mail was being forwarded from one server to another, and some custom mail headers had to be used instead of Return-Path to figure out who to bounce it to.


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