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OMG!!! It purged them ALL!!!
I wanted to tidy up... So I did a purge.. it said that 26 users were going to be wiped... Ok... I said...
But NO... It did the Friggin LOT!!!

WHY?

Capt*


 
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Uh oh...

You're the second one - this has been reported in this forum not too long ago.

Aparently its not a bug...

...but I haven't been game enough to try it...

...and you're number two.

:(

R.

 
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To say I am slightly annoyed would be a huge understatement..
And I bet there is nothing I can do...
Grrrrrrrrrrrr

Capt*

 
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Can you re-import everything from a backup?

R.


 
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Hello!

See my thread first.

""Purge users: messages""

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=GMDisc&Number=153867&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5

I can laugh on the confidence (or over-confidence) of Alex again and again, the manner how he fools around.

In Reply To:
We are very confident purge users works as described. --- Alex
My installation was a live one and when this happened, I did not have a backup. All those six hundreds users data do not contain their demographicsanymore as it wiped out in there. I however stopped it through the browser and the confidence in Alex`s programming came into an end and my common sense started working, thank GODDD. Through this I saved the login users table.

Instaed of offering an Appology to me at the loss of demographics of my users due to faulty programming, he offered his confidence against it as a programmer!!! HA!!! This has been more irritating that the loss, and further more, now due to this critism, I am a bad Guy, shame on me, and my posts will not be paid attention to!!! Thats how GMail and GT works.

I was actually very much waiting for an anathor victim to prove that the confidence of Alex is nothing but over-confidence!

Rajani
 
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In Reply To:
I can laugh on the confidence (or over-confidence) of Alex again and again, the manner how he fools around.
Rajani, I have been reading most of your posts over a matter of weeks and have never commented, but now I wish to.

Many of your posts are very rude towards Alex and Gossamer-Threads. Alex ASSURED you that he felt confident that the purge feature worked. This is not over-confidence or "fooling around".

If the purge feature works for him (and I'm SURE he tested before telling you it worked) then there is nothing he can do and it must boil down to user error. I'm not sure what you want him to do for you apart from administer Gossamer-Mail for you.

If you would like his help, I'm sure he'd be happy to give it to you but rude remarks aren't going to help the matter.

As far as not having a backup goes, well there is only one person to blame for that.

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Hello Paul!

By entering into a deadlock of Site down on a running site and a mind blowing trouble shooting for 18 hours simply because either the Staff forgets to insert modules name like use = folders; etc, and launching a new feature of site down without telling people whats going on, I am not able to take it funny at all.

I have paid a lot of price (Energy) since the begining in the last two years, the time when you where not around. You may be a perl lover but I am not. So if I have to go through a hard time because of a simple carelessness by GT, then its only fair to express them, and if I find them to criticise "Hard" thats my decision. I do so only because it builds over a period of time and the Gang behind Alex simply play the music he likes, which is not far from correct, but when I see a lot, I feel I need to speak and have a conversation, regardless to the costs of sacrifice of return gentlemenship from GT.

Look at my message about the purge users. Was there any reaction? Any say? Users gets screwed up any any reaction from GT??

I need to do the back-up for known reasons and not before every function listed in the menu. If I am presented in the menu, I use it with a confidence that it has been tested untill launched. It has not been a Beta version that I was using, but rather, 2.0.2 stable. I cannot come to the idea of using a simple function of purge and making a back-up before. So to modify a user also I need to make a back-up too?

Even now there are so many bugs that I have identified, that I cannot beleive that they are still there. This is also no joke.

So Paul, if I may seem hard, thats really the intention. Nor do I hate Alex nor his programming.

What I hate is attitudes and values that affects the users and as a response, there is no reaction. By this attitude I mean launching versions with tons of extra-ordinary interesting researches and development, and then not even bothering to insert the package information on which the users have to have hours of waste of time, or carelessly floating the scripts which does like Purge or making obvious mistakes, and then not helping people as a re-action.

Look at the LOST_Password option. In the database, I have half the users who have a password question and other half do not. I was not warned about using it and its consequences. As a result, the users who do not have an answer to the pass, because its not there, will not be able to log-in. There has been a complain but no remedy till today. My users gets screwd up and I remained an ignorant Administrator, simply because there was no where written that one should not change the password option after start.

Those are the issues arising that affects the users. To address them is one thing and to classify them into rare occurances is anathor thing and worse, to load them into selves of next realease in anathor thing. It is on the level of addressing the issues in a responsible way is what I am trying to talk about.

I equally like GT as you and the programming. Alex knows this. The best what I like is the ability to gulp or neglect hard reviews from me and others of the work.

Rajani
 
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Hello Paul!

Commenting further,

In Reply To:

If the purge feature works for him (and I'm SURE he tested before telling you it worked) then there is nothing he can do and it must boil down to user error.
Yes, lets leave at that that that was a user error and that there is nothing that he can do.#

So there is no work on it and that the users have to figure out for themselves if they would like to use it or not.

I would not dare to touch on a running installation assuming that the feature is not there.

Well, thats how it is. I refrained to insert any message further in the other thread, obviously I did not want to continue.

And here as well.

Rajani
 
Re: OMG!!! It purged them ALL!!! In reply to
Go find another product if you are not satisified.

Hate to break it to you, BUT NO SOFTWARE IS BUG-FREE! NONE WHAT SO EVER!

Regards,

Eliot Lee Wink
http://anthrotech.com/
 
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In Reply To:
Yes, lets leave at that that that was a user error and that there is nothing that he can do.#

So there is no work on it and that the users have to figure out for themselves if they would like to use it or not.
Please don't twist what I'm saying. Don't get me wrong, I sympathise with your situation and I am not saying you are at fault and Alex shouldn't help, infact quite the opposite as I already stated:

In Reply To:
If you would like his help, I'm sure he'd be happy to give it to you
I just don't feel you are being reasonable. If you want the problem "fixed" immediately then pay for private support, if not, don't expect an immediate solution to all your problems and don't throw about accusations and comments that are likely to result in less assistance. (Believe me I know what it's like).


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Hello Eliot!

I am expecting more music players to come and bark on me, actually. Because I am a bad guy. HA!

Within minites. Vow, what a gang!

Instead of actually applying their minds as to whats going on, people simply have to play funny tune, which I seem to kind of find it interesting, what and how and how quick people play the music, as against communicating anything intellectual.

Rajani
 
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Hi,

Please send me an email with shell info and I will see what's going on.

Cheers,

Alex

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Hello Eliot!

In Reply To:
Go find another product if you are not satisified.

Hate to break it to you, BUT NO SOFTWARE IS BUG-FREE! NONE WHAT SO EVER!
Hey, lets continue.

How much Alex pay you for constantly protecting his business interest?

Do you have any sensible thing to discuss?

Ho is talking about BUG FREE thing here. I am talking about carelessness. Get it in your head.

Lets discuss further. I invite you.

I have my database screwed up and who are you to play and tweek on me?

The database got screwed up because of no mistake of mine.

I have had enough of such silly things. Links SQL version 1.13 produces 60 Megabytes of Validate page from Admin and I am not able to use it. Nor I can import into Links SQL 2.0!

All the products I purchase from GT, this is the result?

Alex!

I invite you also to discuss with me. Is this the way to go about it?

Rajani
 
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Rajani, you are creeping over the line of decency. Just be careful what you say.

None of the forum members are paid or rewarded in any way by Alex, we just have respect for him.

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Hello Paul!

In a way, you are right.

But I cannot keep myself shut with this kind of non-sense, go and buy anathor product. What and why does one have to say for.

Not necessary at all. That makes me angry and such "Barking" GOES ON AND ONE. I have had enough of such a Bulshit (Sorry to say this) and kind of a torchure and suffering, simply trying to install and get the scripts going.

A constant resonance and resistance.

Instead of Cheers as a signature like Alex does, I should make a signature:

Please keep unproductive and unconstructive music off!

The person who is the victim knows the pain and the problem. But a person who simply keeps on playing the trumpet is far away from understanding the pinch.

No one is paid. We know that. But than why does Eliot have to come and say, Go and Buy anathor product. What has he to do with my problems. Simply say, for the sake of saying. Just jummping around. For nothing.

Thats what I do not like. I even now invite people to play music more on this thread or at me and lets talk guys.

Eliot!

Why dont you answer me? Why dont you promise yourself to be nice and kind upto the extent you want to users, but excluding the barking for GT products? Atleast not at the moments when a user is terribly disturbed? Hey? Come and talk with me?

Rajani
 
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Hello Paul!

You may have respects for Alex. I do too. Even now.

And if you have respects for him, please find a way to express it. To bark in this way to users who had problems is then not correct. One should define their actions and territory as to what to say and what not to. It is very easy to say, but difficult to say little ot controlled or not at all.

Did you ever see me telling to anyone, well, thats your problem, that custom things, pay for it, or for that matter, Go and buy anathor product if not satisfied.

I have tried to help people in my capacity in somehow drawing attention to or giving tips. But never ever blamed someone or take side of GT where it was not necessary and that not my responsibility.

People have been crossing limits in this forum like a little Mafia, feeling great or having had lots of knowledge of Perl but crossing limits as to what they should not say regarding GT and their products. Simply self-undertaken tasks to safeguard GT products.

They can do so and I have no problems with but when it comes to people who had problems and then BARK like a DOG onto them, I cannot handle it any more.

This has happened and people could look into the past threads, searh my post.

Rajani
 
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If (as you claim) Alex/GT is the cause of all your problems then why is it only you who seems to have such problems with the scripts?

No-one else that I know of has such problems. Thats why I have to assume that it is not the scripts at fault.

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Hello Paul!

Oh! Yes, I have an answer, if you can answer my question.

What vital interest do you have in digging out as to if I am the only one to have problems? And continuing non-constructively, questioning?

This is exactly the attitude which I am talking about, that some of the users somehow take it granted and talk for nothing.

Your question does not help me constructively in any way. If place a question, than place it that it makes sense in a constructive way.

If I assume that you are trying to find out that I am the stupid guy, than I am. Thats why I am having a problem. My server has a buggy Perl installation and it did not work correct and will never work correct. Thats the problem.

Alex and his programming is not a problem at all!

Its me!!!

I am the stupid one to use the function Purge without knowing that it can screw the database. I am the stupid one that did not know that Validate function in the Admin of Links SQL 1.x would produce crazy Megabytes of webpage, simply because there is no spanning in the Admin!!! Alex did not learn it yet or did not have time to insert codes yet. I should have known this and have keept it aside it the use did not make it easy for me to use. Why did I use it. Why did I buy it then? Its ME who is stupid and no-one else.

Its me who is stupid to not to check the scripts and de-bug them if there where package information missing. Thats my fault.

Got it Paul? Thats my fault and no one. Also no-one has any problem. Its only me. Got it Paul!

Rajani
 
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Sorry Rajani but I'm not interested anymore.

I made my point and have nothing more to say.

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Hello Paul!#

Thankyou so much for giving up.

For the next time, if you can help me in a constructive way, please answer, and I shall too. But please do not "Catch or try to catch" people in the manner how you did.

You have helped many users and I do sincerly hope that I have not disturbed your intentions of helping others because of my course of reaction. Do help people in as nice way as you did ever before, if you may choose to.

And please excuse me for the way I reacted to you.

Rajani
 
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Does anyone need a shoulder to cry on? It seems like someone needs a timeout! LOL

Avrey

 
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I have been following this forum for the past year and
I believe Rajani should get some credits first... on this "Purge users Bug found"!. He might be rough but I believe he is kind of "wake up call" for Alex ...Please Alex do not ignore his input.
Thanks


 
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Hello!

Thanks.

But I am never rude in the begining. See my threads

http://gossamer-threads.com/perl/gforum/gforum.cgi?post=152526;#152526

Thats my protest against attitudes GT takes against problems.

My database get screwed and the users have problems!

Alex understood and reacted in a cool way, "Well, thats your problem!"

And like Paul Wilson said before his "Timeout"

---"Rajani, you are the only one who has the problem!"

Nor there is any reaction further nor is there a hint that it may be revised further. Nor there is a say that GT shall insert a note for other users about the consequences of changing the password option at a later date.


As you can see, I am never rough in the begining. Ice needs time to melt!!!


 
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Matos in reply to:
Quote:
He might be rough but I believe he is kind of "wake up call" for Alex ...Please Alex do not ignore his input.

i just started reading this post and i see that on the 4th, Alex has already posted that rajani should email him shell info. I don't know, but it seems to me that that isn't ignoring his input.

Rajani,
Don't take anything I say as me justifying anything that has happened to you, but you said that you never start off rude, but the very first post you did in this seemed rude, saying that Alex just fools around when users have problems.
I also don't see how you can say that Alex just has over-confidence by saying the features should work. He can't run everyone's copy for them. The copy he has works, so thats why he said it. He's probably tested on others sites. I'm sorry that you feel your posts go uncared for, but there are many problems on this forum posted each day, and they might not have time to just drop everything and work on your problem. I mean, there are the people who basically gripe about bugs, and not getting helped, and then there are those who gripe about eta's on upgrades. They can't do both at the same time. So they will miss some things. But once again, i do feel bad that you lost all of your users. I would've definitely backed up though.
Lavon Russell
LookHard Mods
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Hello!

Thanks for your response.

I was and am now ofcourse careful to use products from GT. But simple functions one cannot fear to make a backup before. To modify, one cannot make a back-up. To search one cannot make a backup, every time and every function. The scripts have to be fear free for a normal user to use.
Moreover, How, a simple MySQL Dump does not work to install from scratch. There really needs a better Backup utility. GT says, that in our doto list, but the list is so long and until users does not make a lot of noise, it will not come out untill next year or never.

Links SQL has a backup utility. This has to be the first utility function, according to me, integrated in all the products. From the begining I have had problems. Simplly because there are many many things that are really really part of it and becomes a necessary to work with.



I did not send any info of Telnet, as I in principle would not allow anyway,

secondly, it is possible to check on a test installation some debugging via web admin

and thirdly the bug was traced by Alex and Bugwash very quickly, anyway!!! I got a message as following:

-------------From Alex------------------
Hi,

We have identified a rather nasty bug in purge users that can
unwittingly purge all users, rather then selected users in rare
circumstances.

We will be releasing an update to Gossamer Mail tommorrow that will fix
this bug, in the meantime, please do not use the purge function in the
Gossamer Mail admin.

My thanks to Pugwash for helping me track this down, and my apologies to
those who have been affected by this bug.

I will send an email again as soon as the update is released, but if you
have any questions in the meantime, please don't hesitate to ask.

Cheers,

Alex
-------------From Alex------------------

On serious cases like those I spotted out, it is simple intentional carelessness that I have observed, since a long time. I do have my serious reasons for it. Alex may come and opose my saying, please.

If the care was taken, then the second person would not be a victim of what I had to go through. He may have a bug free copy as you said, but we all are supplied buggy copies, and it would be only fair to ask the users what exactly was the problem.

I did describe it, without being rude, and when I see someone being a victim of it, I found it terribly terribly stupid of Gt to not even work togather with me. As if "Ah, we do not care a damn". I felt more sorry for some one else who got into a similar situation and that makes me furious more than my own database getting destroyed.

Just unfair.

Further, the same attitude continues. Lost password option was and is a headache for me. My users have a problem.

Now more updates shall come and they will forget something somewhere and users remain under pressure to update and look around and place messages and all this.......

There has to be some Morale and responsibility. Is there anything done about my problem of password? They dont care. They dont move. They are not obliged to, are they? No.

So users, who got into shit has to suffer for no fault of them, and GT claps hands.

Thats the GT now, as compared to a couple of years ago.
 
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Hi,

Rajani, when you first posted your message, it was not ignored. I looked into the purge functions to see what could have possibly caused this. However, in the past, you have never allowed us access to your system, despite numerous requests to investigate other problems, so I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that I would not be able to investigate on your side what had gone wrong.

We looked through the code carefully, and through previous versions carefully, but did not find anything. Previous history has also shown that you often use MySQLMan to edit the data internals. Our copies all worked fine and did not exhibit any error.

As soon as it was reported again, Pugwash gave us access and we were able to trace through the code to see what happened (which turns out to be a date format bug on some systems), and fix it.

I'm sorry if you feel no one answers your posts, however you are often very rude and abusive to such a degree that I don't feel comfortable answering and arguing on a public forum.

If you are unhappy and would like to discuss further about this, please send me an email at alex@gossamer-threads.com.

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Re: OMG!!! It purged them ALL!!! In reply to
Hello Alex!

I am sorry to not not at all share the view you offered.

Where have I been rude in the begining? Look at the thread where I placed the message:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/gforum/gforum.cgi?post=153867;sb=post_latest_reply;so=DESC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;


Date Posted:
Aug 18, 2001, 12:48 AM

Did you really think I was joking?

You simply irritated me by your confidence, which came unexpected, by not even offering sympathy and a proffessional courtesy to even say, lets check it further. This you have done without exception with every user.

Nor am I asking for extra-ordinary features nor they are specific to my own needs. They are general issues that triggers to everyday work as an admin. You are not ofcourse obliged to develop them, but when they are problems, I have a list of messages that you have have have neglected and not even cared to react.

I was and am confident that you have been neglecting my messages. Like it happened in the Links SQL Forum. The problems accumulate and becomes a total frustration added by further bugs in the updates togather with the headaches of upgrading.

They are genuine problems. Look at what and how many times I have placed the messages:

Have a look to my unanswered or neglected messages:

Aug 7, 2001, 11:59 AM [BUG 2.0.2] QMAIL PARSE FAIL

Aug 20, 2001, 8:32 AM How to backup mysql database?

Jun 30, 2001, 3:14 AM LOST PASSWORD

Jul 19, 2001, 1:03 AM Search and database Problems

Jun 23, 2001, 12:29 PM [BUGREPORT GMail2.0F] Search results from Admin

Jul 17, 2001, 2:14 AM [BUG 2.0.2] Modify

Jul 17, 2001, 1:11 AM Suggestion

Jul 17, 2001, 12:39 AM validate.eml

Jul 16, 2001, 11:44 PM [BUG 2.0.1] Search form - Admin

Jul 16, 2001, 11:43 PM [BUG 2.0.1 or 2.0.2] &do=search_form

Jun 30, 2001, 4:19 AM [BUG VALIDATE 2.0.1

Jun 29, 2001, 11:33 PM [BUG Database Integrity]

Jun 19, 2001, 2:07 AM [BUGREPORT GMail2.0F]VerifyEmail-Problem of logic!

Jun 28, 2001, 3:13 PM [BUG REPORT 2.0.1] Unknown tag

Jun 29, 2001, 10:39 AM <%title%>

Jun 23, 2001, 1:27 PM when a user sends: How to GET UNDELIVERABLES

Jun 10, 2001, 2:38 PM User ./. Username in the field <> Horror

Jun 21, 2001, 1:07 AM How to integrate Gmail & Links SQL?

Jun 12, 2001, 6:43 AM Bug report 2.0F : Validate.pm

Jun 8, 2001, 3:17 AM Gossamer Mail everywhere!

May 10, 2001, 12:08 AM Links SQL 2.0.x ./. Gmail 2.0.x

There is nothing to hide and also there is nothing private. There is a problem. At the age of 45+ I have learned as to how and when to be polite. And I prefer the forum discussions.

Today, I am not able to use the Links SQL. Why? I cannot import any data, because the manner it is designed, that somehow gets excluded in your developers view.

Nor I can export the data from Links SQL 1.13 out and then import. A real deadlock.

I have placed messages and never ever got a reply. As a user, and not a perl master, what chances do I have to modify or use it differently. It just does not work. Or it just has problems. Its kind of a stalemate.

How shall I get out the links data and convert it into version 2.0??? It does not work. Nor can I export them as it has its own converted catagory numbers inside that I cannot use.

I have placed hundreds of messages to pay attention when Robert Pataki kept on saying that its a custom thing. I never ever found it fair to design it and then to not to pay attention to it. And you neglected all the time.

Now you work with the binary system. How can I get the links from a text format? To get them into a system is a problem. Its the problem of the design that has now in turn resulted into a mega disaster.

Thats builds frustrations.

Did I design the programming Validate page from Validate table that produces 10Megs of a page?

Is it the correct answer, well you saw it and purchased?

Its funny to comment and clap hands. Its easy to to say, you are rude. Did anyone think why? Should there be a reason as to why am I saying this.
























 
Re: OMG!!! It purged them ALL!!! In reply to
Rajani, you are walking a fine line.

Either show some respect and courtesy and allow Alex to system access he neds to help you or stop with the rudeness.....ok???

.......and YES you have been rude as several users have pointed out.

It seems to me after reading this thread that Alex has infact tried to help/contact you on several occassions and you refused him access to your server so stop posting messages claiming that you are being ignored!!!


 
Re: OMG!!! It purged them ALL!!! In reply to
The problem is simply your stubborn attitude and not the software at all.

So there is a simple solution........LET ALEX HELP.


 
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Hello Paul!

Quote:
The problem is simply your stubborn attitude and not the software at all.

Tell Me all of you what has been wrong here in the message below:

Jun 30, 2001, 3:14 AM LOST PASSWORD

Where have I been rude?

Where have I been stubborn?

My database is having problem.

I was not warned to not to change the system of Password. Nor did most likely Alex thought about it.

Where and how for what reasons does Alex need an access to my system to correct it?

Its a programming problem.

Now that I identified, or became a victim of it, users will not use. So then I am the only one who has the problem. What has GT done till today to solve. Except, well, that your problem. What have you done Paul, except taking the lines of Alex saying "Well, you are the only one!" Yes, I am.


Half of the users have the password question and half not. Was I informed?

That I should not change. Nor can I go back to the old system!!!

Who is stubborn?
 
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And Paul!

Can we come to an agreement that you do not answer my threads, atleast this one Please!
 
Re: OMG!!! It purged them ALL!!! In reply to
[quote]What has GT done till today to solve. Except, well, that your problem. [/quote]

Rajani you are now lying. Alex has posted publically that he has tried to contact you many times and he would certainly not do that unless he was telling the truth.

As I said let Alex help or STOP with these silly posts.....you said yourself you are 45 but you are really acting like a kid.

I'll gladly not respond anymore. I can see I'm hitting my head against a brick wall.

EMAIL ALEX LIKE HE TOLD YOU TO.

 
Re: OMG!!! It purged them ALL!!! In reply to
Hi Rajani,

Like I said, a lot of your posts are not answered because of your rude and abusive attitude. However, if you look through the list of posts you reference, all of them were read, most of them that were bugs were fixed.

Please remember that the support forum is to share with our user community, and that if you have a problem that you need fixed, thats what we have our support tracking system in place. Please visit

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/support/

and include access info so we can see what is going on, otherwise we would be guessing.

We are going in circles now, so I'm closing this thread.

Cheers,

Alex

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