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Some things to consider:

1) Do not use FIXED width values within VARIABLE width values in your table anchors.
2) Assign VARIABLE percentage values to your nested table (like in your forms)

EXAMPLE:

<td valign="top" width="50%"></td>

(Specify colspan attributes when necessary.)

3) Use <span class="something"></span> for your CSS font codes rather than FONT codes.
4) Use CSS1 codes, not CSS2 (like table alignment)

Good luck....

Regards,

Eliot Lee
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Cheers.

Im actually going to make a "mirror" site for Netscape users.

Try going to http://www.wiredon.net

If you visit that page with MSIE it will show as normal.

Installs:http://www.wiredon.net/gt/
MODS:http://wiredon.net/gt/download.shtml

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There really is no need to have two separate mirror versions of your web site. I mean, you could and that is one solution, although a relatively labor-intensive solution, unless your whole web site is dynamic via PHP or Perl/CGI where you can serve up different pages based on browser detection, like differently formatted included header/footer files, but again, that means editing/maintaining more web pages.

I would simply stick with the advice provided in this Thread and also read up on cross-browser compatibility at http://www.w3.org.

Regards,

Eliot Lee
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I have some code that will parse a different CSS file into the page depending on browser type so I may use that and just manually fix the table tags etc...

Installs:http://www.wiredon.net/gt/
MODS:http://wiredon.net/gt/download.shtml

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That would be better...in all my sites, I check for the browser and OS to print the appropriate CSS file.

Regards,

Eliot Lee
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Hehe, I finally got WiredON looking ok in Netscape and MSIE.

I only tested with Netscape 4.76 but I was so pleased that it looked ok that I didn't care about the rest...lol

Phew....that was a real nightmare but worth it in the end.

I'm sooooo glad I setup my site to use global headers and footers - made it so much easier to edit.

Installs:http://wiredon.net/gt
FAQ:http://www.perlmad.com

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What awful source told you that???? If you notice the developments via Netscape's web site, I don't really think they are going to stop development of their web browser anytime soon.
"While you will still see parts of Netscape browsers being incorporated into distinct tools designed for vertical markets, such as a version for the Sony Playstation 2, the company will not be actively focusing on browser development, officials said. "
http://browserwatch.internet.com/...news-20010606-1.html

Another interesting browser stats site.
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/
Select a month from the listing then, select browser from the left nav.



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Paul,

Here's a tip that may or may not help. In virtually all of my non-cat pages, and on most of my design client's sites, I use a MASTER table to define the width of the layout for the whole page, like so:

< html >
< body >
< center >
< table width = xxx border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 >
< td valign=top >

... The actual html for the page itself ....

< /td >
< /center >
< /body >
< /html >

Set 'xxx' to whatever max. width you want to use, bearing in mind if the page goes down past a full screen you'll get the scroll bars appearing on the right that may impinge on the layout if it's set to the maximum desktop width. I generally use 620 (640x480 desktop) or 780 (800x600 desktop).

I've never really designed for any greater width than 780 since that's the max. most people ever seem to use (remember that the Win. desktop is 640x480 as standard and many people never change it!).

Personally I often use 1024x768 or greater, but that's only because I have a 19" monitor and want to see more data on my admin pages. You don't have to use the < center > tag, but I find that it offers the best look for larger desktop sizes.

As an additional note, for virtually all of the tables within the page I use a percentage for width, as opposed to a fixed pixel size. If you don't use percentages you can sometimes 'push' a table/cell outside of the boudaries established by the master table and that makes for 'ugly' layout clitches.

Hope this helps.

All the best
Shaun

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I wasn't throwing my Netscape users out of the equation but just saying that I hope Netscape go bankrupt and blow up!
You haven't been on the net long, have you Paul?

Wil

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Thanks Qango,

I do that at the moment. I have a large table at 100% and then I have 3 TD's across the page, one nav bar and two columns of text (on the main page) and then the rest are two TD's. All use % width's not fixed values.

I use 1024x768 and it looks perfect in that res but not so hot in 800x600 and less. That res looks WEYYYY to big IMHO.

Installs:http://wiredon.net/gt
FAQ:http://www.perlmad.com

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I have no clue what you are on about wil.

....but you are correct, no I have not been on the net long because the UK is about 2yrs behind the US in terms of Internet technology (or was) and also my father did not sign up with an ISP as soon as the Internet was available as we couldn't afford it Wink

Is that ok with you?

Installs:http://wiredon.net/gt
FAQ:http://www.perlmad.com

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Paul

Doesn't bother me one bit. I just assumed that you hadn't been on the net long enough to see and appreciate (? -- I'm not very good with words) Netscape, Mosaic, Splyglass Mosaic (some one correct me?). Hmm. Anyway, long before Microsoft released their first version of MSIE. Or long before they took the NCSA Mosaic and put their name on it.

Rgds
Wil Stephens

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SpyGlass...

Regards,

Eliot Lee
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Bingo.

Wil

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