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Open Directory RDF Dump Integration
Is there any way to use the RDF dump of the opd data (categories and sites) in Links 2.0 (not SQL). Any help would be greatly appreciated. The dumps are located here: http://dmoz.org/rdf.html.

Beau E. Gast
beaugast@hotpop.com
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I just tried the RDF import with linkSQL, the current RDF is 55 _MEG_ of .gz file, and it's over 270 _MEG_ uncompressed.
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I did an RDF Conversion program for our Hyperseek Users.... You can get it from: ftp://support.ccs.net/rdf-hs.cgi

This assumes that you have the 2 .rdf files in the same directory as the program. It will output subcategories.dat and hyperseek.dat (in Hyperseek format, but you can easily edit the .cgi and change filenames and field orders to fit links)

Please note: The .rdf files are HUGE (I think it's up to 100,000 categories and 700,000 listings), so you better have tons of disk space, plenty of time, and a little patience when converting.

Enjoy, John Cokos
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pugdog,

Where are the rdf dumps located on the server you're using. I'd rather not suffer thru that download and just add it to my directory thru your site. K? If not i'll understand!

Meanwhile... Thanks to jcokos for that WONDERFUL script! I tried it and it works great.

Thanx,

Beau

[This message has been edited by BeauGast (edited August 25, 1999).]
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Glad to help ...
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I don't have them on my server any more. I used a very small script via telnet:

Code:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
use LWP::Simple;
$url = "http://dmoz.org/rdf/content.rdf.gz";
$rc=LWP::Simple::getstore($url, "content.txt");

to suck the file from dmoz to my server without having to download/upload it.

This is much faster going from their server to your server. then just "gunzip" and run your import.

You'll need 300+ meg of disk space to do that.
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One of the things I've found with the DMOZ data is that not only is it very big, but it's not real "good" (for lack of a better word).

Aside from the large number of categories, many of the links have very cheesy descriptions, like "This is my girlfriends cool home page" ... so use the data with a grain of salt.
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Now I get the error:

[Thu Aug 26 15:47:36 1999] [error] [client 209.214.146.94] malformed header from script. Bad header=..............................: /data1/hypermart.net/yeehaw/private/admin/data/rdfconvert.cgi

Can you tell what's wrong??
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The file jcokos posted was ment to run from the command line and not from the web. The script will timeout anyway. So, inanother words, install perl on your own computer or find a host that provides telnet access.
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If you don't have access to a command line, or perl on your own computer, then you can easily modify the script to run over a browser, as follows:

Right at the top, add the following 2 lines (under the #!/usr/local/bin/perl):

print "HTTP/1.0 200 OK\n";
print "Content-Type: text/plain\n\n";

Then, rename the program to "nph-import.cgi" (nph-anything) so that it'll be able to run for an extended period over the browser.

It may still timeout, but you'll get past the initial errors.

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Ok. Got it. Thanks for all the help!

Beau Gast
beaugast@hotpop.com
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Hi!
Is there any way to get only some categories into my links db???

Background: I drive a site about live-roleplaying, and would like to copy just the few categories relatet to this into my own database!

bye
Tiggr

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the resource for german live roleplaying


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At about line 80, in the section where it's going through the big rdf, are these lines:

$Category =~ s/_/ /g;

After that, put something like this:

next if $Category !~ "Something";

Where "Something" would be a string to match in the category name (like "Role Playing" or "RPG" or something similar). That change would force it to skip any listing in a category that doesn't meet your criteria.

John
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Hi all....

I moved the rdf conversion utility to a new url:
http://www.iwebsupport.com/files/rdf-convert.zip

Apologies to those of you that were going to the old location and finding nothing.

I'll post here (as well as to our website) the URL of the selective import utility, that'll allow you to selectively download any category (or categories) from our Converted Open Directory Database. As soon as I complete the code, I'll let you all know where to get it.

John

[This message has been edited by jcokos (edited September 30, 1999).]
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How about posting a Links customized version of the rdf-convert script. I'm having problems with Links telling me theres no date for the files and I'm sure DMOZ includes that in their files. Sorry folks I'm NOT a programmer by any means!

Thanks so much!!!
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Actually, DMOZ only has Title, Description, URL, and Category.... no unique ID, no date, no email, nothing like that at all...

If you go to http://www.hyperseek.com/dmoz.shtml I have the first version of the DMOZ Exporter, with a GT Links option almost 100% completed. I'm not "officially" announcing it, as we still need to test it, get feedback, etc.... but you're more than welcome to stop by and give it a run.

John
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Would really like to use that script...but

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At about line 80, in the section where it's going through the big rdf, are these lines:
$Category =~ s/_/ /g;

After that, put something like this:

next if $Category !~ "Something";

Where, exactly? "around line 80" means nothing to me - I'm not a programmer.


[This message has been edited by lordmouse (edited November 05, 1999).]
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I noticed that myself. I used your nice import at your site at first. It came up with 6000 or so links... then I went to dmoz and found out there where twice as many in the category that I was doing.
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I just used the Hyperseek utility to pick up select categories but noticed that the categoires under Computers:Internet:Commerceial Servcies:E-Commerce category are markedly different from those at dmoz site.

Does this utltity read the entire d'base, or a scaled down version of it?

How frequently is it refresh with the latest RDF dumps?

Thanx for advise and direction.

Raza
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I'm a little bit behind on my DMOZ import....just been to busy to redownload and load up the DB with the latest .rdf files.

I'll try and clear up some time this week.
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Apologies on the oldness, once again. I'll announce here once I get it reloaded.
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That would be nice.

By the way, I am not quite clear on how to import the extracted data into LINKS. Can someone please explain. Also, do I need to create the directory / category structure in the Admin module's category section as well, or does that get automatically created when importing the data?
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I noticed that too when I first saw that RDF import util. I don't remember exactly but it either misses links with descriptions or links without descriptions. Wink

In any case, if someone with some perl ability wants to take my RDF_Import.pl that imports the links into an SQL database, send me an email and I'll email you the file. (It shouldn't be too hard, just change it so that instead of running an SQL statement, you write to a flat file).

Cheers,

Alex
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Not sure I follow here, ...

>> either misses links with descriptions or links without descriptions.

In the perl program, or the online query thingie?

Specifically, what's it not doing? I've used that .cgi about 40 times for customers of mine (believe it or not, they all periodically load the entire DMOZ into their database), so I know that it's working from a HS standpoint.

John
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maybe I do, sorta. About a hundred or so links that I imported had descriptions that were cut off mid-word or sentence.

maybe this is the wrong forum, but since it's a OPD thread, why not ask... How do I get the export utility to also export the related categories part of structure.rdf?
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For what it's worth guys, though it's about ODP but not about your particular question, you might be interested in my experiences as an editor with them. I am boycotting ODP. They have a number of arrogant, vindictive higher level editors who are working AGAINST the interests and purposes of the ODP

http://diverlink.com/forum/posts/40198.html
You might want to consider looking elsewhere for information and links.
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I AM one of the editors for the ODP and personally believe you are wrong. It is because I think the ODP is one of the most comprehensive directories on the internet that I am planning to use their data.

Thanks,

Beau E. Gast
Internet Exclusive Network
beaugast@hotpop.com
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How can I be wrong? Those things did happen? Did you read my message (at the link)?

I'm not disputing that their directory is one of the most comprehensive for directories of that type. If you thought I was implying otherwise, I can see why you disagreed.
However, the abusive treatment of many category editors by some meta editors and the apathy on the part of ODP and Netscape make it something I wish to have no part of. I was merely passing on that information to others who might want to be aware of it in case they might want to make a similar decision.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, just informing them of certain realities. I have much more information, including comments from several other editors, for anyone interested in knowing it. I think it's a shame that a few people are hurting such a worthwhile purpose.

[This message has been edited by ER (edited December 14, 1999).]
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ER,

If you are really interested in maintaining a directory for a human driven directory, you should consider joining the WWW Virtual Library, which is the very first Internet directory and was established in 1994.

It is widely used by Internet users. While the directory has a simple construction, it provides links to directories that have many QUALITY links (not just QUANTITY).

For more information, go to:

www.vlib.org

BTW: I have been a member of the WWW Virtual Library since 1998.

Regards.

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Anthro TECH,L.L.C
www.anthrotech.com
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[This message has been edited by Eliot (edited December 14, 1999).]
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Thanks, Eliot. I've bookmarked the site. For now, I'm just going to concentrate on finishing my implementation of Links and develioing the most comprehensive directory for my subject matter.

Yahoo is too slow and out of date, ODP is more focused on quantity, and there is plenty of room for improvement. I'm going to skip the politics and nonsense and just concentrate on my own.

Thanks once again.
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You're welcome. The WWW Virtual Library is a very cooperative international community of site maintainers with no hierarchy other than the WWWVL Council that oversees the development of the WWWVL. The community is comprised of more than 250 volunteer editors who have their own sites (design, layout, etc.) with a few common elements, such as the logo and title, and also contact information and methods for adding new sites into your directory.

BTW: The WWWVL was created by Tim Berners Lee, the father of HTML and the concept of the WWW. Lee is now the director of the W3 Consortium (www.w3.org).

Regards.

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Anthro TECH,L.L.C
www.anthrotech.com
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Hey guys, lets go back to the original discussion on RDF import into Links? Shall we?

So, Alex, you mentioned that you have a rdf-_import.pl utility for importing that into Links SQL. Does it read from the RDF dumps or from their web site, or from Hyerseek utility?

Secondly, are there any volunteers for converting the script to Links 2 level? Anyone?

Cheers.
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i have few questions about this:
1) is this legal? is it posssible that dmoz will sue you? i only intend to copy about 5,000 links. should i ask for permission?

2) does it export the category.db as well?
if not then it means, alot of work

3) does it really work, can you download the links and descriptions
4) is alex sql version is better for links users?
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theguy

1) Yes...It is legal..Read the License Agreement Page:

http://dmoz.org/license.html

You do not need to ask for permission. Just follow the license.

2) Well, for HyperSeek, it dumps into RDF files (subcategories and links). The one that Alex wrote, I believe, only dumps into the links.db file. Again, he asked if anyone would be willing to make it exportable into the SQL version in an earlier post.

3) It seems to work. At least some people have been successfully doing it.

4) SQL is better than flat file. It conserves space and is more scalable than dumping into regular LINKS.

Regards.

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Anthro TECH,L.L.C
www.anthrotech.com
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i'm new to this, please excuse me if i ask stupid questions.
1) this is a cgi script so i have to chmod it to 755, am i right?

2)$incats = "structure.rdf"; # DMOZ Category File

how can i get the full path to dmoz category file?

3) $inlinks = "content.rdf"; # DMOS Links Database

how can i get the full path to dmoz links database


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it seems like nobody reads the messages in this forum, could someone please answer me.

thanks
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Yes...you change the permission of the .cgi script to 755.

For those variables, you need to put the absolute path where the files are located.

BTW:

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it seems like nobody reads the messages in this forum, could someone please answer me.

That is an inaccurate assumption. As you will notice I have responded a few times in this Thread and I also read and respond to other Threads in this forum.

Wink

Regards.

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Anthro TECH,L.L.C
www.anthrotech.com
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For those variables, you need to put the absolute path where the files are located.

how can i fnd the absolute path where the files are located on dmoz. did dmoz list it somewhere?

thanks eliot!!!

[This message has been edited by theguy (edited December 17, 1999).]
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we are talking about hyperseek script. i believe alex script is only available when you buy SQL version and it only works for sql version.

Eliot,
i think more people check the modification board than this one.
could you please answer my questions in the previous post.
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Sorry for missing the point but which "script" are we talking about here... is it Alex's, or some other script, is it Links 2 compatble or SQL and where can I get it?
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You should have the .rdf files on your server where the data will be dumped into. You need to use your ABSOLUTE paths to these files.

Regards.

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Anthro TECH,L.L.C
www.anthrotech.com
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The one that Alex wrote, I believe, only dumps into the links.db file

No, the Parse_RDF.pl script will import both links and categories (as well as Alternate Categories) into Links SQL.

Cheers,

Alex
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Is anyone workingon a script to import the ODP into plain ole links?

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yes... jcokos' import does

http://www.iwebsupport.com/files/rdf-convert.zip

It will convert stucture.rdf to categories.db and content.rdf to links.db.
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i'm not sure how to modify the first 4 lines:

$incats = "structure.rdf"; # DMOZ Category File
$outcats = "subcategories.dat"; # YOUR Category File
$inlinks = "content.rdf"; # DMOS Links Database
$outlinks = "hyperseek.dat"; # YOUR Links

do i need to create the above files on my server?

are you happy with the outcome?
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i do not understand legal terms. so they just want a link that says becomes an editor if i do not add, modify or delete any links.
or thre is something else

[This message has been edited by theguy (edited December 22, 1999).]
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In addition to the above question I'm wondering, is it possible to only import some of the categories.

Thank you in advance

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Hi

I been reading this with interest as I'm in the process of setting up a "Links" base search engine.

Using John Cokos script - I work out the first part with setting the paths.

But what is Links format for this one.

## CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR FILE FORMAT !!
print CATS "|$main|$cat|0|0\n";##

and what about this one?
## CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR FILE FORMAT !!
print CONVERTED "$ID|$Category|$Extra|$Rank|$Qualifier|$Email|$Title|$URL|$Description|$Keywords| || |$Name|$Address|$City|$State|$Zip|$Country|$Phone|$Fax|$F iller1|$Filler2|$Filler3|$Filler4|$Filler5\n";

Thanks

Adam Shailes
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sure you can. read this thread more thoroughly.
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Dear lordmouse / Eliot,

In this thread apparently there are a bunch of people like me who want to use this RDF dump but they don't know much about Perl etc. and then there are the experts like yourselves. This threads has become so long that even though I had a very clear grasp of it in earlier stages but I am lost now and from some other comments I think I am not alone. Would one of you knowledgeables please do a simple step-by-step instruction on how to go about the whole thing? That is, assuming it converts the dumps for Links 2, where do we keep the rdf_Convert.zip script, the dumps, any configuration to be done and how to get it going, as well as how to go about it for selective importing?? And, since the size of these dumps is so massive, is it possible to do this conversion from dumps to Links 2 compatible categories.db and links.db offline on a windows 95 PC?

Its a BIG PLEEEEEASE with swiss chocolate and sugar coating on top!!! Smile

Raza
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Raza,

I'm hardly the expert here, but if jcokos doesn't mind, I'll write up some instructions and post it in the FAQ.
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jcokos is too busy and i do not think he is checking this forum, if you want his permission, e-mail him
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lordmouse that would be a great help!

Smile

Adam
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It may be a while though, even if John doesn't mind me doing the FAQ... I was supposed to start redesigning my friends' web site last week and I haven't started om it. I forgot all about it.
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since you are busy as well, could you answer this with a simple yes or no

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is it possible to do this conversion from dumps to Links 2
compatible categories.db and links.db offline on a windows 95 PC?

if yes could you explain a little bit

thankyou!!

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WARNING - I worked out the setting and ran the cgi script and ended up crashing the web server I was on - my web host was not very happy!

Adam
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these are kinda messy instructions:

yes you can run the script on a Windows9x system. You just need to set up a server, and install Perl. Download the RDFs, your current databases, and the script. Unzip the RDFs (you'll need like 375 MB total free disk space, not including the exported files). Create 2 blank files; somewhere at the top of the script are some variables - 2 point to the RDFs, 2 point to your new blank files. Find where is tells you set the ouput format according your links fields and do that (it's in there twice). If you want to export certain categories, find the post in this thread and modify the script accodingly (I have not used that, so I'm just assuming it works). That should be about it. Click the export program's icon and it should run (you may have to set up windows to run it automaticly). When the export is complete, just cut and past the files into your current databases, or upload the new files to your website and run the bulkload import program.

I'm about half done with my other work so I'll be free in a day or two write better and more detailed instructions.
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Find where
is tells you set the ouput format according your links fields and do that (it's in there twice).

is this the correct way:

$ID|$Title|$URL|$Date|$Category|$AltCategories|$Description|$Contact Name|$Contact Email|$Hits|$isNew|$isPopular|$Rating|$Votes|$ReceiveMail
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I think that's correct for the link field format. Use category.cfg and links.cfg to get 'em right. I would suggest that you replace some of the field names with "0" and "NO" or "YES" (or otherwise blank) so you won't have to fill them in manually, because the script will put "0" in all the fields it doesn't recognize.
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Is there anyone out there that could supply just a /top/regional/canada dump from RDF to Links 2.0 format for me?

I keep trying to run the conversion and don't apparently have enough RAM (64).. keep getting an Out of Memory error from the software that Jonkos wrote...

Favours are appreciated and returned.. Smile

Paul
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Update... I found a server that will do the conversion but my formatting is wrong..

Anyone have a copy of the script that is setup for Links instead of Hyperseek?

I think that would benefit a LOT of people here if someone posted a working script... right now mine doesn't give categories unique numbers and a few other problems..

Thanks,

Paul
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i do not think there is one for links, hyperseek script supose to work for both.
linkSQL comes with one but it does not work for links2 users
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I have the hyperseek one but can't get it quite right for some reason... not good at this stuff... Smile

If someone could post their "translated" version I would much appreciate it. Smile

Paul
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how can i download just this category
http://dmoz.org/Regional/Africa/
john said to put this code
next if $Category !~ "Something";
where something is the name of te category
so in this case the name of the category is
Regional/Africa
am i right?

[This message has been edited by theguy (edited January 07, 2000).]
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I think it's "Top/Regional/Africa"
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Does anyone have a working demo with the rdf dumps working in links? If so please give me the link. I want to see it in action.

Thanks,

Mark
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Hi everyone,

I'm modifying the script that was referenced in this thread, to bring in url's from dmoz, and have a quick question.

The url is formatted strange from dmoz rdf file, it's almost like a mistake in there export, it looks like this...

<ExternalPage about="http://www.blahblah.com/index.html 133089">


notice the category # at the end??? I need to trim it out during the parse of the url.

a section of the import script is below, I have modified it somewhat for links 2.0 format , but I'm having trouble determining how to trim out the 3-6 number.

This is a snippet from the script,

sub Links {

print "Starting Conversion...\n";

$catstart = '<Topic r:id="';
$catend = '">';

$linkstart = '<ExternalPage about="';
$linkend = '"\>';

$titlestart = '<d:Title>';
$titleend = '</d:Title>';

$descstart = '<d escription>';
$descend = '</d escription>';

$ID = time;

open(CONVERTED,">content.dat");
open(FILE,"test.rdf");
while(<FILE> ) {

chomp;
if ($_ =~ m/$catstart([^<]+)$catend/sog) {
$Category = $1;
$Category =~ s/$top//g;
$Category =~ s/\//\//g;
$Category =~ s/_/_/g;
}

elsif ($_ =~ m/$linkstart([^<]+)$linkend/sog) { $URL = $1; }
elsif ($_ =~ m/$titlestart([^<]+)$titleend/sog) { $Title = $1; }
elsif ($_ =~ m/$descstart([^<]+)$descend/sog) {

## To select only certain categories ... uncomment
## next if($Category !~ "");

$Description = $1;
$ID++;

print ".";

## CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR FILE FORMAT !!
print CONVERTED "$ID|$Title|$URL|24-Jan-2000|$Category|$Description|support|support\@test.com|0|1|0|0|0|0\n";
}

}

close(FILE);
close(CONVERTED);


I think I have to modify this line:
$linkend = '"\>';
so it also chops the numbers preceeding it (2-6 chars - varies), and not all urls end with .html...

I tried using a subst(),-6 , a splice, and looked for a variable on chop , but I think these are more for arrays, I have looked through my perl books but have not found an example that works for here, any help or hints would be really helpful.

Thanks

Dean
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Hi

Hope Dean gets a answer - but I also have a quick question.

Would it be possible if I could have a copy of someone working script (hope this is ok with John) just I got past my first problems and got some data out - but it was in the wrong format and tried to do all the cats. (I thought I set it right, but I never seem to have much luck with perl!)

Thanks

Adam
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Hey!

Anyone come up with a WORKING mod yet? Im using LINKS 2.0 and would ideally like to be able to pull the data from another server, as I definately don't have 500Mb!!!!

ANYONE got a working script yet?? Email me!



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Anybody got successful with a REAL EASY way of getting a links2.0 copy running with DMOZ categories and data or just DMOZ categories ?

HELP appreciated.
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