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Private Message Folders?
Has anyone considered writing either a plug-in (or maybe GT can consider this as a feature) that will allow users to create folders to organize their private messages?

I have thousands of PMs in my "inbox" and actually want to keep a lot of them, but would like to reduce the size of my inbox and make it easier for me to find old messages again. There's more than 160,000 messages in my system so I'm pretty sure my users will find this useful.

...even a search feature for PMs will help....

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Just like to agree that a search function would be great.
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** Bump **

Anything on this front yet?

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Just the other day, I went to search my private messages.

Then I realized there wasn't any message search available, and couldn't believe it!

I will pay $50 by Paypal or ?? if someone wants to program this.
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I will pay $50 by Paypal or ?? if someone wants to program this.

And I will gladly pay the same for a folder system. Wink

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Same here. I will add in $50 for a folder plugin as well.
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I will pay $50 too for a folder plugin or/and a search plugin...
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I may have a look at something like this sometime soon. Quite a cool little feature (and something I sympatise with, as I have a *LOT* of PM's too).

I'll keep you posted.

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Great! Smile

Thank you!

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I'm getting there Smile (see attachment).

The features I'm currently looking at putting in;

1) Search (by username, as well as a part where you can enter part of the PM, and it will search for that string)
2) Ability to add a new folder, by simply entering its name.. and clicking submit (makes it nice and simple).
3) Option to transfer all of your PM's into a folder (say "Default", or whatever they choose).
4) The original PM system can still be reached (and used), even with this plugin installed. Literaly, all this plugin does, is hook into GForum, and if it recognises one of the functions, it will run my code :)

I'm also looking into how easy it will be to get span pages working. I know its not that easy (from when I did Ace_News and MyFaves) ... but I'll give it a good go first :)

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Nice. Keep at it. Smile

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Getting there :) I now have the following done;

1) Add Folder (supports a "valid charachter map" of the letters/digits/charachters that you want to allow)
2) Quick import ... which basically lets you import all your PM's in a format that this mod can read.
3) Pretty slick design interface if I do say so myself Cool
4) Full category options (similar in the way that Ace_News v3 works), and it will allow you to show the category listings in 2 columns!
5) You can also use the normal PM system too, but it just won't be organised/searchable etc .. which my manager is :D

I'll let you know how I get on with finishing it off.

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Curious to see how it plays out. My advice on the actual template design... keep it as close as possible to the Gossamer-Mail defaults, layout and style. It makes customization a lot easier. Smile

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Curious to see how it plays out. My advice on the actual template design... keep it as close as possible to the Gossamer-Mail defaults, layout and style. It makes customization a lot easier. Smile

Did you mean to say "Gossamer-Mail" ? Wink

I've tried to keep it as much like the header/footer system that the default GForum template have. Pretty slick IMO :)

Only thing that I won't add in, is the "Sent PM's" function.. as that will add a lot of development time (I'm doing this as a favor really...I don't have much free time at the moment Unsure).

Well, I'll keep everyone updated :)

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I've now got it working (on our server). I tried adding in spanning pages, but that didn't work that well, and it messed up some of the features (wouldn't show some PM's, which is obviously no good). Is spanning pages something people are looking at?

You can give it a go here if you want;

http://ultranerds.com/...rum.cgi?do=pmmanager

Please note, this is our live site.. so be considerate when sending yourself test PM's Wink

1) Search works (by username, or query)
2) "Import into folder" feature
3) "Unassigned" folder, where you can view PM's that havn't yet been assigned to a folder.
4) "Move" link on PM's, so you can transfer them to a different folder (not added yet...I'll get that done tomorrow).
5) The existing PM system still works :) (for those who want to do it the old fashioned way Tongue)
6) A charachter map, so you can decide which charachters are allowed to be used in folder names (definable in the plugin settings).
7) Folder limit (i.e limit them to 10 folders). Once they reach this limit, it will show them an error message. Again, this is customizable from the plugin area.

A couple of things I still really want to add;

1) Search function for "sent" PM's (these are sometimes the more elusive of all)
2) A folder, where you can view the sent messages seperatly (their own seperate folder).
3) An "export" feature, where you can print your PM's to either a flatfile database (pipe, CSV, etc), as well as (hopefully) a format that Outlook/Outlook Express can read, so you can import your PM's into outlook! (please note, if I ever get this function to work, it won't work with attachments, i.e nothing will be attached to the downloaded files).

Thats pretty much everything I can think of at the moment. Any feedback will be much appreciated :)

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I've added the option to search Sent messages too now. You can search by;

* Post contains.
* Username
* Type: Sent / Received.

I'm off for the night now. I'll update you on my progress tomorrow :)

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I've now added a "delete" folder option (which moves all the PM's in it to the "Unassigned" folder).

Just gonna add in a "move" feature, so you can change which folder a PM is put in.

This is one beast of a plugin Cool

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hello Andy

Can your Plugin quote a message.

I wait for this a long time ago

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Can your Plugin quote a message.

Hi. I'm not sure what you mean? When a reply is made to a PM, it should show you the PM below. All you have to do then, is press the "quote" button on the form, and then it will make the [quote]..[/quote] tags for you Smile

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Andy,

Looking good!

Take a bit more time, make it nice and solid. I think this is a great plugin and a lot of people will find this useful. Smile

Two quick comments:
Consider renaming "unassigned" to "Inbox". Sticking with conventions that are familiar to users is a good usability practice. I know "unassigned" is exactly what those messages are, but that's just not how users think - it's how programmers think! Wink

Also, when I delete a PM it returns you to the default PM view. It should probably return you to the "folder" you removed the PM from.

I'll keep checking in. Thanks for taking the time to build this. Smile

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Andy,

Looking good!

Take your time, make it nice and solid. No need to over-engineer. I think you're thinking about the right functionality. My guess is a lot of people will find this useful. Smile

Two quick comments:
Consider renaming "unassigned" to "Inbox". Sticking with conventions that are familiar to users is a good usability practice. I know "unassigned" is exactly what those messages are, but that's just not how users think - it's how programmers think! Wink

Also, when I delete a PM it returns you to the default PM view. It should probably return you to the "folder" you removed the PM from.

I'll keep checking in. Thanks for taking the time to build this. Smile

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Thanks :)

I'm trying to work out a way to automatically redirect a user to the new PM manager (and not the old one), after a PM has been deleted.

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Consider renaming "unassigned" to "Inbox". Sticking with conventions that are familiar to users is a good usability practice. I know "unassigned" is exactly what those messages are, but that's just not how users think - it's how programmers think!

Very valid point..I'll make the change in the plugin :)

Thanks for the feedback. If you have any more, please feel free to pass it onto me :)

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Still working on this. I had to redesign parts of it (which should speed it up in the long run).

I am now going to add a new field to the PM folders themselves (FolderID), which will then link to a specific entry for that folder in another table.

I'm hoping it won't take too long, as the bulk of its there already. I just *really* wanted to get the sort options sorted (I couldn't get them to work with the old method).

I'll keep you all updated :)

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I now have it all working with a "FolderID" field (to the "Message" table), which links the messages to specific folders. This made it a million times easier to find the correct PMs (also uses less CPU, as it has less work to do).

I'm literally just working on getting the sort order working for folder views (can't get it to work for searches, sorry).

As usual, I'll keep you posted Smile

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I am getting there with this plugin :)

I've now got a "Sent" folder, as well as the option to search the "sent" PM's.

A couple of bug fixes (the counting wasn't being done quite correctly, and there was also a problem with the default values in the PM entry).

I'm gonna try and get a "Bulk Move" option setup too (there is a feature to move ALL your unassigned PM's into a folder of your choice; but not an option to move xx posts into xx folder, all at once).

Another thing I would like to know. What kind of formatting would people like PM's to be downloadable in? CSV, pipe delimited?

Also, as Sangaro suggested... a "Search This Folder" option, so they can narrow down their searches even move.

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I was going to not bother putting span pages in. ... but I decided I would give it a go today ;)

I've now managed to get span pages working when viewing a specific folder (user definable, by passing nh=xx so=xx etc along in the query string). This gives the plugin a lot more power.

I'm also working on a "bulk move", so you can transfer "searched" PM's as well as by just going into a category, and selecting which PM's you would like to move.

I'll keep everyone posted :)

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Hi Andy

i wait for this Plugin and hope its works fine.
Every day i look in this posting.

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Hi.

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Every day i look in this posting.

:)

I'll get there. I just want to make it with as many features as possible, so it has something for everyone :)

I should have a finished product by the end of this week (maybe earlier).

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I've now got a working version :)

The "Readme" has been finished, as well as a quite nice little touch .... a FAQ's page Smile

I'm just about to send the current version over to my beta tester's, and then see how it goes from there.

The current demo can be found here: http://ultranerds.com/...cgi?do=message_list;

If all goes well, then we could have a release tomorrow/Thursday :)

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Add a new Folder and it gives a Message Count Of 1 There already with no messages there. Navigating to that newly created folder has

You have 1 message: 0 NEW 0 READ 0 REPLIED

Your folders;
Inbox (0) Sent Items (0) Test (1) [ remove ]


This is FYI.

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Add a new Folder and it gives a Message Count Of 1 There already with no messages there. Navigating to that newly created folder has

You have 1 message: 0 NEW 0 READ 0 REPLIED

Your folders;
Inbox (0) Sent Items (0) Test (1) [ remove ]


This is FYI.

HyTC

Thanks dude... I'll get that fixed up :)

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No Worries. BETA Testing Already :)
Just a query more inspired by the VBulletin stuff.
Is this going to be having some sort of Admin Control on Capping (by Space or number of messages at least)?

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No Worries. BETA Testing Already :)

LOL!

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Is this going to be having some sort of Admin Control on Capping (by Space or number of messages at least)?

The only current options are;

1) ValidCharachters - 0-9 a-z A-Z -_ and space
2) Folder limit - default 10, but if set to 0, then it won't limit the number of folders you can add.

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Perhaps i sounded too unlear on the capping issue. Question was "Limiting With Respect To Space / Number Of Messages" by the Admin (globally of course) so that once any user steps over this Admin set limit, then Messages Have To Be deleted before any new message can be accepted.

Yes Folder limiting is an additional feature over VBulletin's parallel...

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Ah, I'm not sure. Arn't people already limited by this factor in the admin panel? (I could be totally wrong).

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Digging through the details leads to following as available Admin Imposeable restrictions:

Attachment Settings:
The maximum number of private message attachments that will be stored on the server. Use a value of 0 to allow unlimited attachments.


Private Message Settings: If enabled, users may attach files to private messages.


So nothing really which lets Admin impose a direct limit on "Number Of Messages" ...unless i am missing something pretty obvious

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Mmm..I'll take a look into it :)

I'm not sure how easy/possible it will be in a plugin .. as I don't actually re-work the way that PM's are currently sent/recived; so its a little hard to do a count, and then "bounce" the PM back (so to speak).

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Easier workaround (perhaps easier said than done :) ):
  1. Admin Sets A Limit On Number Of Messages (Total) : X
  2. As Soon As X Number Of Messages Are Recd, The User Profile Has The "Allow Private Messages: updated to No" With Message Displayed Right On category_list.html and also on Messages Section in "Bold Red" that No More Messages Would Be Recd Unless The Messages Are Deleted as soon as user logs in.
  3. As Soon Message Count goes down below X on account of Deletion of exisitng messages, Allow Private Messages: updated to Yes in the Profile Section.
  4. As a consequence of 2, you need not have to handled bouncing of PM .... sender would get an "Indication" that Message can't be sent as soon as he/she clicks on Send ...

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Easier workaround (perhaps easier said than done :) ):

Yup =)

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Admin Sets A Limit On Number Of Messages (Total) : X
As Soon As X Number Of Messages Are Recd, The User Profile Has The "Allow Private Messages: updated to No" With Message Displayed Right On category_list.html and also on Messages Section in "Bold Red" that No More Messages Would Be Recd Unless The Messages Are Deleted as soon as user logs in.
As Soon Message Count goes down below X on account of Deletion of exisitng messages, Allow Private Messages: updated to Yes in the Profile Section.
As a consequence of 2, you need not have to handled bouncing of PM .... sender would get an "Indication" that Message can't be sent as soon as he/she clicks on Send ...

The addition of a new user field would be easy... its just the checking that not (as it would require yet more hooks to be added in) to handle the sending of a PM (it would need to be done as a "count" when sending the PM ... so a user would get an error saying "the user you are trying to send this PM to cannot receive any more PM's until they remove a few old one").

I'll have a look at it (may be able to hook it in on the do_func stuff, and then only when someone send's a PM, it does the extra check). Would also need something on the user side of things, so that it says "you have run out of space, and cannot receive any more PM's until you delete some old messages".

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The Table already keeps a count of private messages on user basis (Received and Sent).
Admin imposed entry would perhaps go in Config/Data.pm

So the Control could be:

Sender : Gets the error message when he initiates the Send PM (recepient still not selected) in case he is over quota or if the recepient is known (for a case where sender cliecks Send PM from users' details page) at this stage and if the recepient is over quota then the error message wrt recepient is displayed. This would Warn a user much before the Message Composing Starts.

A user would still try to test it out, Compose a Message and Try to Send ... Error Message (combination of the above whichever applies) and Message delivery not completed if either or is satisfied. Some PRE Hook on do=message :)

Additional user column becomes necessary in case you plan to add userwise limit setting...

HyTC

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Yeah, I'm already working on this :)

For some reason.. the do_func hooks doesn't seem to get read when accessing message_preview and message_send Unimpressed

The code is in there already, and as far as I can tell, should work fine. Its just getting it to call the function :(

Also, the "count" bug should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting it :)

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Getting there :)

I have literally 1 more bug that I know about to fix up, and then send it off for some more testing :)

Features are pretty vast now;

+ Ability to limit the advanced PM features (folders, search, etc) to a specific group (i.e admin, "special group", or pretty much any custom group you want). All you need is an ID number for th group you want to give access too.
+ Got the documentation written up as well as I can :)
+ Limit the charachters a user can put into a folder name: a-zA-Z0-9_- and space.
+ Template based.
+ Inbox/Sent/Custom folders
+ Easy "quick move" feature, to get the PM's into a new custom folder.
+ and more Cool

Also, I tried adding in the PM limitation code, but it got quite messy, and a couple of the more simple features got "knocked out" by it. I've given up on this part I'm afraid :(

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Just been speeding it all up quite a bit more (just ask Sangiro :p).

Also, wanted to say thanks to Alex for his help with this :) His feedback has speed it up by probably 75% (he showed me a way to remove a lot of the rubbish, which could be handled just as well, probably better, by GForum).

I've also re-worked the counting system a bit too. Rather than compiling the figures each time; there is now a field in the database, which re-compiles their folder counts each time these parts are used, which speeds it up a lot, as it doesn't have to do several Table counts for each folder.

There are also a few more subtle changes, but all in all... this little (big) beauty seems to be working great :)

Sorry for the delay in getting a final release out ... but its better to get it done right first of all, rather than having to go back several times at a later date, to fix up bugs that should have been fixed up in the first versions.

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