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Has anyone tried this mail server for Windows?

I just installed it and it seems pretty awesome. Does anyone know of anything better?


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Haven't tried FTGate... thanks for the tip. We've got a Dell running NT and using Intermail PostOffice by software.com it seems to be "okay" and not horribly expensive. We have less than 1000 users so traffic isn't too bad either.

I'm checking out FTGate right now - always open to new ideas.

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My fave server hangout....

http://serverwatch.internet.com/

http://serverwatch.internet.com/mailservers.html

http://www.floosietek.com/

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PaulW: Dec 14, 2001, 1:50 PM
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I was always partial to Mdaemon. http://www.deerfield.com
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Hey they've got some pretty cool stuff.

I just downloaded DNS2GO - works well!

http://perl.linux-dude.com/

That URL now points to my pc.

...and with the mail server I just installed I may offer free email @perlmad.com :)
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you gonna use gossamer mail ??? Laugh

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May write my own :)
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Shocked

yeah the license is pretty steep ...


how about something like cpanel/plesk etc ... instead! probably a much bigger market!

openoffice + gimp + sketch ... Smile
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I don't wanna do something like that, it would really suck if it trashed someones server, SO not worth the hassle.
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Hmmm MDaemon is one mutha of an app....too many options for me :)


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Yeah. I had them when they were at 2.0 which was like 3 or 4 years ago. I was amazed then. They already have a free email thing too called WorldPop. Allows you to offer free email as well as web connecting for users. I also have dns2go and Mdaemon 5. I just noticed all the new apps I haven't seen that they've added. It is alot. I liked them before when they were just an smtp/pop server, but now its still great. I like how you can set up secondary domains as well as the primary one.
Did you notice how dns2go can do redirects and also keeps your ip based on heartbeats. It's great. I swear, chatspace and mdaemon are like my 2 favorite windows apps.
Lavon Russell
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Bmxer: Dec 14, 2001, 8:28 PM
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Yeah I saw that world client thing but it didn't seem to work for me.

It said it had started the service on port 3002 but it just hangs when you access it.
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Woooooooo I take that back

I re-installed and it is _awesome_

The web client is working. You can setup multiple domains and there are TONS of features...thanks for pointing me to that site!!!!!!

http://perl.linux-dude.com:3000

Username: demo
Password: demo

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PaulW: Dec 15, 2001, 4:42 AM
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http://www.ipswitch.com/...il_Server/index.html

IMail Server 7.0

- wil
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Yeah, Imail is pretty good too but last time I checked they didn't have anything like WorldPop. And Deerfield just got better than before because they took over Oreilly's Webserver (which I thought was going to be abandoned).
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The Pro version of MDaemon is also $1000 cheaper and has many more features.
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It's been a while since I used WorldClient. How did you get it so you could have people create a new account when they went to port 3000? Mine only shows login fields.
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Ahh I just made a few tweaks here and there :)

(Take a look in WorldClient/Domains.ini for NewAccountCreation=No)
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oh ok, got it. I forgot how fun it was to look around mdaemon. I just can't get smtp to work correctly. I was going to use http://soa.granitecanyon.com for a dns server but they take long.
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http://www.zonedit.com
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thats cool. I didn't know there were others that existed like this.
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Damn DNS sucks.

I _hate_ having to wait days....
Waiting for perlmad.com and hothosts.net to point to my pc - taking ages....Unsure
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It could take ages, theoreticaly, Paul.

A domain name server asks the root COM dns server where to find information on yourdomain.com, then goes to the dns server for yourdomain.com to figure out the IP or MX for your domain and subdomains.

Both of those servers have "time to live" settings. The user's DNS box probably will cache the data, and use the cached version for the time specified.

Nothing says the user's DNS has to cache at all. Nothing says that the user's DNS cannot decide to wait 30 days, even if the TTL was specified as 48 hours.

When you change information with your domain registrar, they pass the information to network solutions, who updates their database every day in the late afternoon. So if someone changes their information at 5 PM on Monday, it doesn't get updated until Tuesday afternoon, and that's when the *first* traffic starts dripping in. But someone who visited your old site on Tuesday at 3 PM will get the old data, and so will everyone else who uses that DNS box until Thursday about 3 PM.

Some remote corners of the internet will take a month to find their way to the new location of your website, because they use obsolete DNS information. And there is *nothing* you, or Network Solutions can do about it.

- wil
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>>who updates their database every day in the late afternoon.<<

No they don't, they update about every 6 hours. After I updated one of my zone files I went to check at Network Solutions if the change had been processed...it hadn't but it showed the database was last updated at 3.20am,
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Hmm. They used to do them all at just after 5pm. But you get my point, though? It could take weeks for your MX records to be updated properly.

- wil
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Yeah but it never does :)

During the week it normally takes under 24 hours (for me) and at the weekend about 3 days ugh.
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Has anyone got experience with this service?

In particular, does anyone know what their bound of one million requests means? Is every request to my webserver a request to the DNS server?


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>>Has anyone got experience with this service? <<

Yep I use it for about 5 sites. I haven't been blocked yet :)
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You mean your web host doesn't allow you access to your own MX records? Jeepers, I thought you even had your own dedicated server??

- wil
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>>You mean your web host doesn't allow you access to your own MX records? Jeepers, I thought you even had your own dedicated server??
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Haha I run a couple of DNS servers, I just set up a zoneedit account ages ago and couldn't be bothered transferring the DNS somewhere else and taking the sites down for a few days.

Zoneedit isn't just for MX records Laugh



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PaulW: Dec 17, 2001, 4:01 AM
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Why would you want to run a "couple" of DNS servers????

- wil
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>>Why would you want to run a "couple" of DNS servers???? <<

Why not?

Erm also nameservers are usually used in pairs Crazy
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What are you banging on about? You could have a first, second, third and fourth DNS server if you wished! I've got a primary secondary and a third one running for my domains.

And why on earth would you want to have a couple? One DNS servers can handle a million DNS entries. Why would you want to set up a "couple"?

- wil
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You seem confused. You keep contradicting yourself. Anyway don't lose sleep about my dns servers.

Time to stop responding. Bye Tongue
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Why are you avoiding answering my question. "I seem confused". No, not at all. I just simply don't understand why any one individual would have "a couple" os DNS servers. The idea is absolutely absurd.

Please explain yourself.

- wil

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Wil: Dec 17, 2001, 4:26 AM
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Ah how cool is that :)

...hotmail better watch out...

http://www.perlmad.com:3000

Just need to customize the templates now :)

(All fully functional and you can access you mail with Outlook etc.)

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PaulW: Dec 17, 2001, 4:42 AM
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If you're going to do something like that the best bet you have is to download SquirrelMail from ScoureForge. It's open source and it's supa-dupa fast.

http://www.squirrelmail.org/

(Apolagies to GT for posting this link. Hope you don't loose too many customers) :-)

Funny how you avoid my question regarding your logic of DNS?


- wil

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Wil: Dec 17, 2001, 4:51 AM
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>>If you're going to do something like that the best bet you have is to download SquirrelMail from ScoureForge.<<

Well not really considering all that does is read mail from another server.

What I have installed at the url above _IS_ a POP3/IMAP/SMTP server and not just a client.

"Squirrel Mail" is just a client like all the scripts at hotscripts.com - not what I want.
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Hmm. Haven't you got a mail server already on your linux box? What's so special about that?

I thought you had your MX records changed so that you handle all your wiredon.net mail 'in-house'. That's what we're doing here at the moment. Works well.

Why are you using a Windows box though? Why not use a more reliable and faster linux services?

And why not answer my DNS question?



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hehe Wil you're answering your own questions!

He needs several since he's using M$ boxes ... why else would he need several? Angelic

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>>He needs several since he's using M$ boxes ... why else would he need several?<<

Go and register a domain name, you'll find you need to specify ns1 and ns2 at least.

Im shocked that people don't know that.

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PaulW: Dec 17, 2001, 7:28 AM
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Paul

You don't *have* to at all. It is advised to have more than one DNS server with your zone information.

I've actually got three.

But I still don't think you grasp this DNS business at all. Saying that you need "a couple" of different DNS machines is compeltly innacurrate.

Read up on the RFC:

ftp://ftp.is.co.za/rfc/rfc1034.txt

- wil
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And I am shocked by your ignorance, and then you palming off your ignorance and turning it around to make other people look stupid.

What on earth is wrong with you?

- wil
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LaughLaugh smiley break LaughLaugh smile dam it !!! LaughLaugh

openoffice + gimp + sketch ... Smile
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Saying that you need "a couple" of different DNS machines is compeltly innacurrate.
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When did I ever say you needed two machines?

Wil, you are being quite rude and infact you have misunderstood most of what I've said.


I never said you need two _machines_

You _do_ need 2 nameservers to register a domain properly.


I have respect for QooQ and my reply (which was to him btwSly) wasn't even making him look like a fool, so just get off my case.

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PaulW: Dec 17, 2001, 8:35 AM
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&#65279;<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY>Yeah it is really cool. That's why I love all Deerfield products. I like
how someone can set up Mdaemon in about 5 minutes, and allow people to have free
email, and they can also access it from pop email clients. The fact that they
made WorldClient come with templates and cgi is even better and I like the way
it runs its cgi on it's own little server. One thing I haven't been able to do
is make all emails that are to unknown users go to my main postmaster. Have you
looked at the remote client too. It's just like the main program except you can
connect from anywhere. Have you or are you planning on registering it?&nbsp;
Registered or not, it is still a cool program to fool with. Oh, the instant
multiple language switch is the coolest IMHO. <BR></BODY></HTML>

Lavon Russell
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Bmxer: Dec 17, 2001, 9:42 AM
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&#65279;<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY>Have you also noticed in this folder MDaemon\WorldClient\HTML
<BR>WCWatchInstall.exe? You can offer it as a download and people can enter
their info and it can run in the system tray and keeps a check every 5 minutes
or so and you can click the text and it takes you right to your worldclient
setup. I probably didn't explain well but install it and you'll see. Really
cool.&nbsp; Or you can go to the Options screen and click WC watch and it
already has a download setup.<BR></BODY></HTML>

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Bmxer: Dec 17, 2001, 9:24 AM
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Yeah Im having a few issues with it.

Firstly I can't get the thing on port 3002 to work, it just hangs. 3000 and 3001 work though.

Also I set up hothosts.net as a secondary domain but I can't figure out how it works. I can send emails from the hothosts.com accounts but nothing appears when I send to those accounts even though the SMTP/Routing tabs show the email has been processed. Also I get some emails for hothosts.net in my perlmad account. lol

Yeah I've seen that Watch program - pretty cool.

I'll take a look and see if I can see how to send unknowns to the postmaster - Im also trying to find out how to get rid of MDaemon v5.1.0 (or whatever) in the email headers :)





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PaulW: Dec 17, 2001, 9:31 AM
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You connect to port 3002 by going into MDaemon\App and clicking Mdconfig.exe. Lets you change config settings on the road.


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Im also trying to find out how to get rid of MDaemon v5.1.0 (or whatever) in the email headers



Probably something with registering. I looked for the WorldClient.cgi and I think it uses the dll and exe to create it. I have no idea how it would work with multiple domains. Never tried. It's probably some settings not set properly for the other one. For the unknown mail, I found if you go into Primary Domain config, it gives an option to send the mail to the postmaster, but it doesn't work, and it sends it back to the person. There is also the cool setting that makes the client check if the user exists first and if not a prompt comes up. I think you have to click "Place message in bad directory".
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>>I looked for the WorldClient.cgi and I think it uses the dll and exe to create it. <<

Yeah its compiled into the DLL - I was searching too :)

Trying to click mdconfig.exe gives a winsock error - connection refused (127.0.0.1)

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PaulW: Dec 17, 2001, 9:34 AM
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Click into MDaemon, and look on the left toolbar options, make sure you are in stats. Go down to where it says servers and see if MDconfig is inactive, if so right click and toggle active.
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Doh thanks :)

I don't get how it works though - does that mean you have to have access to mdconfig.exe at your remote location to be able to use it?
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does that mean you have to have access to mdconfig.exe at your remote location to be able to use it?

Yeah. You have to have it set on the server as active, and then when you go on the road or something, you can just run it and change your settings. Without it set as active, if you were on the road, you would get in.
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Hehehe just set up a list.

Try sending an email to perl@perlmad.com with SUBSCRIBE in the subject and see what you get back :)

(Don't worry I'll unsubscribe your email).



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PaulW: Dec 17, 2001, 9:57 AM
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So that means you have to make a copy of mdconfig and put in on disk or something?
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I subscribed but got nothing. Probably my smtp. I'll use my other address. I think it does mean you have to copy it. And put it on a disk. That and mdconfig.ini. I'll have to look into it.
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Bugger. I got your email but did you get a blank email back? It should have had a header/footer
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Its cool reading the logs:

Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:42: [716:110] Accepting SMTP connection from [207.115.63.98]
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:42: [716:110] 220 perlmad.com ESMTP MDaemon 5.0.4; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:05:42 +0000
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] EHLO pimout5-int.prodigy.net
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] Spam Blocker checking 207.115.63.98 using 98.63.115.207.or.orbl.org...
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] Spam Blocker A-record resolution of [98.63.115.207.or.orbl.org] in progress (DNS Server: 207.41.71.161)...
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] Spam Blocker checking 207.115.63.98 using 98.63.115.207.relays.ordb.org...
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] Spam Blocker A-record resolution of [98.63.115.207.relays.ordb.org] in progress (DNS Server: 207.41.71.161)...
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] Spam Blocker checking 207.115.63.98 using 98.63.115.207.relays.osirusoft.com...
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] Spam Blocker A-record resolution of [98.63.115.207.relays.osirusoft.com] in progress (DNS Server: 207.41.71.161)...
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] 250-perlmad.com Hello pimout5-int.prodigy.net, pleased to meet you
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] 250-ETRN
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] 250 SIZE 1000000
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] MAIL From:<webmaster@lh.links247.net> SIZE=21
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] 250 <webmaster@lh.links247.net>, Sender ok
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] RCPT To:<perl@perlmad.com>
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] 250 <perl@perlmad.com>, Recipient ok
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] DATA
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] Storing <d:\progra~1\mdaemon\smtpin\md50000000044.tmp>
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:43: [716:110] 354 Enter mail, end with <CRLF>.<CRLF>
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:44: [716:110] 250 Ok, message saved
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:44: [716:110] QUIT
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:44: [716:110] 221 See ya in cyberspace
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:44: [716:110] SMTP session successful, 613 bytes transferred.
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:44: [716:110] Shuffling message(s) into proper queue(s)
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:44: [716:110] Message received from pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98] <webmaster@lh.links247.net> with SMTP for <paul@perlmad.com>
Mon 2001-12-17 18:05:44: ----------

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Nope. Got nothing back for both domains. I always wanted to test setting up those lists. I will probably try an auto responder soon. Coolest thing about it is if you don't have much disk space. You can offer accounts only as forwarders to their real domains. I found this in the app folder MailBoxSize.exe. If you click it it will email your postmaster with the sizes of all accounts. I want to get that DKAV antivirus software but it's 6 megs and you need a special license just for that also.
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Yeah, I like it too. I like the See ya in cyberspace that Mdaemon sends to the client.
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Hmm I think the problem may be that I had "Authenticate subscribers" set to ON meaning I had to manually verify them. It is off now.

Hmm darn nope that doesnt work either :(


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PaulW: Dec 17, 2001, 10:20 AM
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Have you tried IA Mail Server? "Internet Anywhere Mail Server" I think it's called.

Download a free tiral. It's well good for these kind of things. The best feature is the "email robots". You can set up email addresses where anything sent to that email address can execute a program, or pass your argunetns onto another program.

Well, as good as it gets for mail servers for Win32 I guess.

Why don't you stick to Linux ??

- wil
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You can set up email addresses where anything sent to that email address can execute a program, or pass your argunetns onto another program.


Sorry to cut in, I know you were referencing Paul, but MDaemon does this too.
I think I may have tried that one too, a long time ago. It was nice.
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I currently have:

D:\PROGRA~1\MailScan\mailinit.exe

...executed before mail is processed.
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Ym? Don't know if that was a reply to my post. What the robot does is any email sent to a specifc email address, say "start-robot@stephens.org" then the mail server passes on any arguments in the email to any program of your choice - you could start or stop your microwave via email if you wanted :-)

- wil
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MailScan, is that like an antivirus program? I'm about to go get one for my mail. I was thinking about just getting the DKAV they say to get.
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Yes, BMXer, it's a neat feature. I believe that most mail deamons do this, just wasn't sure if that one did.

Still not sure why you're not going with a Linux option, though, Paul?



- wil
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Try this:

http://www.sophos.com/.../20011107mmsmtp.html

They have the equivalent for POP, IMAP and all other kinds of API.

- wil

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Wil: Dec 18, 2001, 9:08 AM
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i will try the one you mentioned above too. It looks like it's good. I was thinking about using my other drive for Linux. Not sure though. Anyway, I really like MDaemon for the robot functions it does but it not only executes programs based on certain user's email addresses, but based on local mail and remote mail. If i had a dial up, and ran mdaemon in startup, it will also run a ras program and dial up automatically and then after it connects you can also set it to open a program. <br>
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Bmxer: Dec 18, 2001, 9:31 AM
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Well it would make sense to use Linux for Mail handling. It is the de facto standard, been around for years and it's all free etc. etc. etc.

Why would 99% (well maybe not) of the Internet use a *ix platform for their mail? :-)

I don't actually know of anyone that uses a Win32 platform to handle their mail.

- wil
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As long as the server is decent and supports relaying blocks and anti-spam features etc, it makes no difference whether it is linux/unix/windows
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Well I would trust a more mature Linux application.

Besides, Linux applications are _much_ more configurable. Who! What would I do without procmail ???

- wil
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>>Besides, Linux applications are _much_ more configurable<<

Says who?

It depends on the application and developers. You can't make a sweeping generalization which assumes all linux apps are more configurable...how silly.

I encourage you to try MDaemon. You'll have configuration options popping out of your ears.



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PaulW: Dec 18, 2001, 10:48 AM
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I was talking in context, Paul.

*ix mail servers are more configurable. They are. That's not a sweeping genaralisation. It's a fact.

Show me what you can do with a Win32 mail server by checking some buttons or selecting pre-defined options, and I'll show you how to get into the source of the program and do it from there.

Surely, if the software is open source it's going to make sense that it's more configurable. You can change whatever you want. Your only restriction is the liscence set by the core developers.

- wil
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Maybe. Maybe you have a set of pre-defined options, but you can do anything you want with open source software. You can access it's insides and change anything you want. You simply can not have more configurable options or power than that.

How do you think Alex re-complied Apache to output "Gossamer Server" as it's server signature? I don't think any other, non open-source products would enable you to do that. Allows you to do is a completly different question, though. And I'll leave that to your interpretation of the liscence.

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Wil: Dec 18, 2001, 10:53 AM
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Show me what you can do with a Win32 mail server by checking some buttons or selecting pre-defined options, and I'll show you how to get into the source of the program and do it from there.
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...coming from the bloke who thought you could use %_ to pass a hash to a sub-routine I find that hard to believe Laugh

Sorry I couldn't resist lol
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Why should you bash a logicaly thinking mind? When I was taught to count, I was taught 1,2,3 etc. Now if I can pass $ scalar, @ array, then why can't I pass a % hash?

- wil
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@_ is a list array.

What gets passed in comes out but you need to let perl know what you want at the other end...eg...

some_routine(%foo);

Then in some_routine() you'd need to say you wanted %foo by saying:

%foo = @_

I think %foo is actually split up so every key and value takes up an element of its own in @_ as if you have:

%foo = ( A => 'B' );

...and don't use %foo = @_ in your routine then you can get A and B from $_[0] and $_[1]
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OK. Fine, that's your explantaion over why. But my argument was, doesn't it make logical sense for a not-so-perfect programmer (me) to think that you would be able to pass $, @ and therefore % to sub routines.

I'm sure there is a way, though. I'll post a quick message on CLPM and see what I come up with.

In the mean time, happy reading -> http://mirrors.gossamer-threads.com/. :-)

- wil
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I encourage you to try MDaemon. You'll have configuration options popping out of your ears.

Actually, I dislike MDaemon as you can't add the header of who a message is for when using catch all's (i.e. if alex is a catchall, and I bcc something to bob, I have no way of telling who it's for. Sendmail can add a X-Mail-For header, and qmail can add a Delivered-To header). After talking to MDaemon techs, they say there's no way to do it.

We use Communigate Pro and it works quite nicely on Windows.

Cheers,

Alex
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Gossamer Threads Inc.
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I did notice/dislike that this isn't available also. I may go take a look at Communigate Pro. Does Communigate have an option to send Delivery Confirmation and Read Confirmation notices back to the sender?
Lavon Russell
LookHard Mods
lavon@lh.links247.net
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I don't have it around (it was done for a client), but there is a free full featured eval copy, it just adds a communigate pro blurb to all outgoing emails, but otherwise is full featured and unlimited eval.

Cheers,

Alex
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It may not be perfect but it is high in the list of Windows mail servers.
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That was a mjor factor in going back to using Linux for our mail after trying out alternatives on Win32.

All mail sent to mailing lists or any recipient that was on the BCC header god passed to postmaster or root. Only my procmail set up actually handled this correctly and distributed lists correctly.

Why such a poor support with most Win servers? This was a real pain for me, being the sys admin and having to forward around 30 messages every day that the mail server didn't understand their headers for. And when I was out of the office, game over...

- wil