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Hi all,

In the browser when the installer is copying the files into the relevant dir. it stops after a few minutes without finishing. The log message is below....

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[Mon Oct 15 05:06:24 2001] [error] [client XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX] Premature end of script headers:
/x/xxx/xxxxx/cgi-local/gforum/gforum.cgi

Is there any other way to extract other than telnet? i don't have that access.

Crazy
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Re: [philm] Problem with self installer....... In reply to
you might be able to extract to your hard drive and then upload after, but then there might a sh_t load of permission problems to worry about ...

it's something I thought about before ... but .... I wonder if you mimic the file directory then try to expand ...

oh welll .... just a shot in the dark until a guru stops by ...

good luck

openoffice + gimp + sketch ... Smile
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Hi,

Very strange. Does it always stop in the same place, or random places? The premature end of script headers doesn't sound right if you actually got output to the screen, can you look if there were any other errors?

Cheers,

Alex
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Yes, it always stops inthe same place. I tried to re-install and run it 3 times from my first version. I then re-downloaded a fresh copy incase it was corrupt, and that stops in exactly the same place.

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Unarchiving (666) /x/xxx/xxxxx/xxxxx/gforum/admin/templates/default/lost_password_enter_username.html
Unarchiving (666) /x/xxx/xxxxx/xxxxx/gforum/admin/templates/default/lost_password_sent.html
Unarchiving (666) /x/xxx/xxxxx/xxxxx/gforum/admin/templates/default/markup_help.html
Unarchiving (666) /x/xxx/xxxxx/xxxxx/gforum/a

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It gets to here and stops. The browser thinks it's finished, no more activity...... game over.

Unsure
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OK, so, i do all my stuff on a mac and thought maybe something was getting screwed up somewhere along the line. I decided to try it on the PC, I got a new key, downland, upload, install...wir..wir...wir.... bang, same thing same place on my pc this time.

Definately something wrong this end with the server i think, maybe some timeout cgi execution thingy. Anyone know if there's is such a thing, surely i can't be the only one in the world this has happened to?

Crazy
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hehe the mac fanatic here is OK !! no problems ...

a really strange question but do you have enough space ??? it's like 16 megs or something like that ... 7.4 for the installer files and the about 9.9 for the expanded version ... I have no idea if untarring is like stuffit on a mac ... needing a little more than both combined to expanded ...

of course I could be way wrong about this.

openoffice + gimp + sketch ... Smile
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The same thing happened on his pc........the chances of 2 hard drives having less than 16MB free is slim to none :)

Strange problem though.

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RedRum: Oct 16, 2001, 5:02 AM
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hehehe, yeh we have 275MB total and 236MB left to play with!!! Wink

I'm gonna email tech support just incase there's some kind of server limit in place. I've never actually installed anything through the browser in this way before.

Keep ya'll informed......... Tongue
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Sly I did say I could be waaaaaayyyyyy wrong didn't I Wink

Tay, next question is what kind of server? errr NT / NIX ?

sounds like an interesting problem to stay informed of ... for those odd ball occasions !

openoffice + gimp + sketch ... Smile
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i've just sent an email, which took ages to type, to tech support. Hopefully they can help? It'd unix space by the way. Thanks for the feedback guys.

Hey RedRum, I take it your the guy from the sitepoint forums, or was it web design forums, can't remember now.....Laugh
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>>Hey RedRum, I take it your the guy from the sitepoint forums, or was it web design forums, can't remember now.....<<

Nope, not me - ya must be thinking of someone else.....is there another RedRum?
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oops, sorry... Blush RedRum, it was this board but a different section when i was after some help with customizing dbman.

Worry not your unique status has been restored, and i need to stop looking at so many bloody forums.....Tongue

P.S. no response from support yet about the above problem.
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lol Cool
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hi my learn'ed colleagues...Wink

Here is the email from my tech support guy, i've emailed him back to clarify the 'memory' implication he mentions.

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Hi,

The script is core dumping before it completes running.

A core file is created in the current directory when various errors
occur. Errors such as memory-address violations, illegal
instructions, bus errors, and user-generated quit signals commonly
cause a core dump.

You may want to the error and possibly the core file to the vendors
of the forum, as they may be able to trouble shoot the problem, but
I think it may be just that you are out of memory. If you do not
need the core file, you should delete it as it is about 10Mb in size.

If you want a pretty decent forum, try the phpbb forum,
www.phpbb.com. I have instaled this on a couple of sites and it
seems very good. It is easy to install and works well and it is
free too.

Thanks
Will Jessop

I have the 10mb 'core' if anyone needs it emailed..... Cool
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If you want a pretty decent forum, try the phpbb forum,

haha, he obviously has never heard of GT.....I bet he thinks you are trying to install a poorly written piece of junk.

Sure, why not paste the dump here Angelic....NOT REALLY! hehe...
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yeh the same thing had occurred to me, they tend to think your just trying to botch a website with some flaky script, and instead of actually trying to get to the bottom of the problem just give you some 'gobble de gook' about errors and core dumps'......Angelic

Anyhow kids, stay tuned for the next exciting installment of 'Tech Support' when it gets to me.....Sly
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I've just been doing some research and my findings suggest that the server is causing the problem, not GForum......it is a perl issue.

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Hi,

In the next beta, we have added a "lite" option to the installer. Normally the installer does a md5 checksum for every file. The purpose of this is when you upgrade, it can tell which files you have changed, and which ones you haven't. This makes it easy for backing up only changed files.

However, if you don't have the Digest::MD5 module, doing the md5 checksum can be a bit slow. The lite option will skip the checksums and should speed up on the installer on sites that have troubles.

Cheers,

Alex
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interesting comments by your tech support ... hehe. sounds like the person doesn't know why the installer is causing the core dump.

ummm ... tech support mentions that you have a 10 meg file but how many? how much of your space is being used up? the tech leaves a lot open to questions.

haha, he mentions phpBB .... errr 1.4.x series is not that bad. But phpBB 2.0 will seriously be able to contend with vBulletin and Gossamer Forum -- especially since it's free with the catch of leaving the copyright. The 1.4.x series might be said as poorly witten but speeds are great and phpBB 2.0 (still beta) I doubt will be mentioned as poorly written.

here's the addy : http://phpbb.sourceforge.net/phpBB2/ the so to say owner is from Vancouver too.

needless to say, but, I'm moving all my forums hopefully eventually away from phpBB to G-Forum cuz herez my first home.

Oh well ... hmmmm ... do LinkSQL, (guessing now ...) Gossamer Mail and DBManSQL install fine? If so then what's the difference between the G-Forum installer and the others ??

openoffice + gimp + sketch ... Smile
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I don't think it is the installer although it could be possible as there are still a couple of bugs in it.
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Oooo to be fair phpbb2 does look cool but I think thats more the nice graphics than anything else.
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just an idea ...

it worked for my though, thank goodness ... and sure do like what I'm seeing Smile

openoffice + gimp + sketch ... Smile
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Oh well ... hmmmm ... do LinkSQL, (guessing now ...) Gossamer Mail and DBManSQL install fine? If so then what's the difference between the G-Forum installer and the others ??

TBH i haven't even used those before, it's just dbman and links, non SQL, i've used so far. Mind u i have installed phpnuke which is quite heavy on mySQL db's, i think. That is fine. Smile
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The latest from tech support............

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Hi Phil,

Thank you for your emails.

It is possible that it may be the server running out of memory, but unfortunately it is not possible for us to see if this is the cause. It is not possible to increase the memory allocation on our shared hosting plans - if you did need more memory you would need to upgrade to a dedicated server (yeh right.....Laugh)

I have tested the Perl interpreter on your account which is working normally. We are currently running version Perl v5.00502.

If you wished to debug the code you would need to add error handling code to the perl scripts at differpoints to work out where the error was occurring.

So that looks like the end of the road for me....Unsure Look forward to your next 'Lite' installer.

Thanks for the help guys.

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Just ask Alex, or anyone for that matter, for a copy of their folder. All the installer does is unpack the files and sets permissions and some file locations. I'm sure it wouldn't be too much of a bother to edit a few files re file locations.

- wil
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You'll need to edit /admin/GForum/Config/Data.pm and /admin/defs/database.def

I hope GT don't mind:

http://box.perlmad.com/GForum.zip

Oh and you'll need to change the path to perl in gforum.cgi, admin,cgi, nph-email.cgi and db.cgi.

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RedRum: Oct 18, 2001, 5:03 AM
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Paul!!!!!!

Take that down now!!!! Why the hell do you think GT are validating each user by email instead of just making this publicly available for download!

Yikes!!

- wil
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RedRum: Oct 18, 2001, 6:48 AM
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Why the hell do you think GT are validating each user by email instead of just making this publicly available for download!

Well Im guessing it was for research to see who was downloading. There is not much else that can be done with an email address so it isn't being requested to verify on which site you are using the software.

The software is time limited so even if anyone downloaded the unpacked zip then they are only getting the same version as everyone else downloaded.

It's not really a big deal, either way the link isnt active.

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RedRum: Oct 18, 2001, 6:55 AM
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You should always ask the copyright holder before redistributing his or her's work.

Technically, I'm sure you have broken a licence agreement already. You just can't go round posting and distributing other's software without their consent.

My (over)reaction derived from personal experiences of trying to keep control over beta software, and trying my best to discourage others from posting and distributing.

If the software starts to get posted around the web, GT will be given a bad reputation of releasing buggy, beta software. People might not realize that it's from GT, they will lack support, they will not be aware of the licence, they will not check back the site for updates, Alex will not have their email addresses on record to contact if security patch is needed etc. etc. etc.

There is a reason behind controlled distribution, and strict licensing, which you must learn to respect.

- wil

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Wil: Jul 8, 2005, 3:24 AM
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RedRum: Oct 18, 2001, 8:40 AM
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Maybe on reflection it would have been better to pm the link to philm privately or ask GT first but I still think some of the points you made were a bit OTT.....at the end of the day I posted the link to help philm get an unpacked copy so he could try it out....

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RedRum: Oct 18, 2001, 8:40 AM
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Good. I'm not going to start flaming and what not about this. I was just trying to get my strong opinion across.

I'm sure Alex is peed off enough as it is at the hundreds of sites out there running Links without giving GT any credit, or money.

GT provide code to download, and use before you buy and that's a great thing! It would be a shame to see all of GTs products go down the route of GT Mail and GT Links SQL by not providing a download before you part your money.

And the more people abuse and disrespect the terms of use that accompany their software, the more Alex will have to take stronger measures to guard his intellectual properties.

Surely you can understand and respect this.

- wil

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Wil: Jul 8, 2005, 3:24 AM
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I know you're just trying to help, Paul. And you're doing a great job, too. You've dedicated a lot of your time to help others, and I'm sure a lot of users, and GT recognize and are thankful for this.

I'm not trying to be awkward and I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just happen to have strong views on this issue. As I said, the strength of my views derive from my own personal experience and headache, which many fellow perl hackers have shared over the years on the web.

Now let's get back to helping the poor chap who had the problem in the first place :=)

- wil

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Wil: Jul 8, 2005, 3:24 AM
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The point being though that it is time-limited software so if anyone had got a copy (which they didn't), it would only have been the same copy that everyone else got.

Let's not forget who brought up the idea.....

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Just ask Alex, or anyone for that matter, for a copy of their folder.

ironic?

I thought, ah yes I'll do that to give philm the chance to try out gforum, not to get slated by the guy who thought up the idea.

anyway it is a pointless discussion now as the link isnt active and i dont have anything left to say.

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Now let's get back to helping the poor chap who had the problem in the first place :=)
that is what i attempted to do

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RedRum: Oct 18, 2001, 8:57 AM
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ok i missed your last post above...truce?
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I'm too old to fight.... I'll be 20 in Feburary :-)

Cheers

- wil
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I thought you were about 35 Cool ....strange how age is timeless on the Internet

Im 20.

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RedRum: Oct 19, 2001, 3:59 AM