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chrisw at nipltd

May 22, 2001, 7:49 AM

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Zope.org okay?

Zope.org is looking a bit out of sorts right now, is it just me or does the Zope
icon look wrong?

cheers,

Chris

PS: Nice to see DC finally giving themselves a front page mention ;-)

mindlace at digicool

May 22, 2001, 3:16 PM

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Re: Zope.org okay? [In reply to]

--On 05/22/01 15:49:01 +0100 Chris Withers chiseled:

> Zope.org is looking a bit out of sorts right now, is it just me or does
> the Zope icon look wrong?

should be fixed now...

> PS: Nice to see DC finally giving themselves a front page mention ;-)

glad you like it!

--
-mindlace-
zopatista community liason

chrisw at nipltd

May 23, 2001, 3:16 AM

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ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
>
> --On 05/22/01 15:49:01 +0100 Chris Withers chiseled:
>
> > Zope.org is looking a bit out of sorts right now, is it just me or does
> > the Zope icon look wrong?
>
> should be fixed now...

Hurm, still doesn't seem right. Didn't it used to have a curved, dark bit in the
top left like on classic.zope.org?

> > PS: Nice to see DC finally giving themselves a front page mention ;-)
>
> glad you like it!

Well, something that polished looks a little out of place on Zope.org, but yeah,
I do like it :-)
Maybe Zope.org as a whole could be similarly polished? I wish I had the time to
help...

cheers,

Chris

charlie at blanchardsite

May 23, 2001, 7:38 AM

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Re: Zope.org okay? [In reply to]

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:16:13AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
> >
> > --On 05/22/01 15:49:01 +0100 Chris Withers chiseled:
>
> Hurm, still doesn't seem right. Didn't it used to have a curved, dark bit in the
> top left like on classic.zope.org?
>
> > > PS: Nice to see DC finally giving themselves a front page mention ;-)
> >
> > glad you like it!
>
> Well, something that polished looks a little out of place on Zope.org, but yeah,
> I do like it :-)
> Maybe Zope.org as a whole could be similarly polished? I wish I had the time to
> help...
>

I kinda like the polish on zope.org as it is now. There are
minimal images getting in the way of the information content and
the colors convey a good emotional tone. 'Polish' for 'polishes'
sake alone is wasted resources, imo. And 'improvements' for the
sake of 'polish' often degrade usability of sites for many users
unnecessarily. Better the time be invested making the site more
'informational' as that is what creates and maintains the 'image'
that truly matters in the long run.

I fully expect dissention on this view. To better understand my
personal point of reference it may help to know that I have
switched my primary browser from gui to text to avoid 'polish'
and improve access to information that for most open source
projects is almost entirely textual in content... <g>

And, oh yeah try running the zmi via lynx sometime! It works
fine...

peace,
--
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org

mindlace at digicool

May 23, 2001, 11:36 AM

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Re: Zope.org okay? [In reply to]

--On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:16:13 +0100 Chris Withers
<chrisw [at] nipltd> wrote:

> ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
>>
>> --On 05/22/01 15:49:01 +0100 Chris Withers chiseled:
>>
>> > Zope.org is looking a bit out of sorts right now, is it just me or does
>> > the Zope icon look wrong?
>>
>> should be fixed now...
>
> Hurm, still doesn't seem right. Didn't it used to have a curved, dark bit
> in the top left like on classic.zope.org?

yes. That bit is deliberate.

>> > PS: Nice to see DC finally giving themselves a front page mention ;-)
>>
>> glad you like it!
>
> Well, something that polished looks a little out of place on Zope.org,
> but yeah, I do like it :-)
> Maybe Zope.org as a whole could be similarly polished? I wish I had the
> time to help...

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZopeOrgCollaborationEnhancement/
FrontPage

as far as polish goes, see:

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZopeOrgCollaborationEnhancement/
MockUp

--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason

mindlace at digicool

May 23, 2001, 11:41 AM

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--On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 07:38:40 -0700 Charlie Blanchard
<charlie [at] blanchardsite> wrote:

> I kinda like the polish on zope.org as it is now. There are
> minimal images getting in the way of the information content and
> the colors convey a good emotional tone. 'Polish' for 'polishes'
> sake alone is wasted resources, imo.

Hey, are you making fun of my ancestry?!

> And 'improvements' for the
> sake of 'polish' often degrade usability of sites for many users
> unnecessarily. Better the time be invested making the site more
> 'informational' as that is what creates and maintains the 'image'
> that truly matters in the long run.

Where the zope.org site needs serious polish is that it's hard to find
things. At the same time that we make it easier to find things, we're going
to make it look better.

> I fully expect dissention on this view.

No, I concurr completely.

> To better understand my
> personal point of reference it may help to know that I have
> switched my primary browser from gui to text to avoid 'polish'
> and improve access to information that for most open source
> projects is almost entirely textual in content... <g>
>
> And, oh yeah try running the zmi via lynx sometime! It works
> fine...

The new zope.org site will look great in lynx/w3/w3m and other text
browsers.
It will also look stunning in a graphical browser, even a brain-damaged
piece of 4 year old technology like netscape 4.x.

form-follows-function-ly y'rs,
--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason

andym at ActiveState

May 23, 2001, 11:52 AM

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> The new zope.org site will look great in lynx/w3/w3m and other text
> browsers. It will also look stunning in a graphical browser, even a
brain-damaged
> piece of 4 year old technology like netscape 4.x.

Wow thats quite a statement. Dont get our hopes up now ethan :)

Cheers.
--
Andy McKay.

charlie at blanchardsite

May 23, 2001, 12:27 PM

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Re: Zope.org okay? [In reply to]

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:41:34PM -0400, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
>
>
> --On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 07:38:40 -0700 Charlie Blanchard
> <charlie [at] blanchardsite> wrote:
>
> > I kinda like the polish on zope.org as it is now. There are
> > minimal images getting in the way of the information content and
> > the colors convey a good emotional tone. 'Polish' for 'polishes'
> > sake alone is wasted resources, imo.
>
> Hey, are you making fun of my ancestry?!
>

Uhm, ohhh nooooo, I married into that ancestry, I'd _never_
_ever_ make fun of it...

really. <g>

--
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org

chrisw at nipltd

May 25, 2001, 8:35 AM

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Re: Zope.org okay? [In reply to]

ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
>
> > Hurm, still doesn't seem right. Didn't it used to have a curved, dark bit
> > in the top left like on classic.zope.org?
>
> yes. That bit is deliberate.

Okay, just doesn't feel as pollished the way it is now, but...

> as far as polish goes, see:
>
> http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZopeOrgCollaborationEnhancement/
> MockUp

Like it :-)
Maybe move the breadcrumbs to the left and the B&W logo bits don't look right in
colour but apart from that it looks really cool...

cheers,

Chris

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