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simon at joyful

Oct 29, 2006, 7:29 PM

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wiki skin

Chris Withers wrote:
> Is it going to move to the great new style that's been used for the Zope
> 3 wiki?

Chris - I have several thoughts on that which I wanted to air -

I took some time to get used to the new skin. I like it a lot - great work
Kevin (and Tom).

(In fact I'd like to include a generic version in Zwiki as a wiki template
- are the authors ok with this ? I will make it as different as you think
necessary to avoid confusion with the zope wikis.)

I'm also quite fond of the basic Zwiki skin, which is adapted to my needs.
For jumping around between many wikis, many pages, and doing serious wiki
gardening, I find it less distracting, also the page hierarchy is clearer.
For some people it will also be faster. So I wanted to leave it in place
for at least a few days to give people a chance to see how it works for
browsing these wikis.

I also like that big Zope planet floating in the background of the zope2
wiki. The sense of wide-open spaciousness. And I like that it's visually
distinct from the zope3 wiki, so you know at a glance where you are.

I have been guessing the consensus will be to use the new skin across all
the wikis, though. But I think we definitely need some way to differentiate
them.

Just now, motivated by Martijn's talk at DZUG (recommended!) I started to
move the templates from /zope3 up to the root folder, then I realized the
skin has zope3 wiki stuff hard-coded. So some more work is needed before
the skin can be reused. Kevin, I wonder what your thoughts/plans are (feel
free to try them out).

Comments ?

-Simon

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simon at joyful

Oct 29, 2006, 8:22 PM

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Re: wiki skin [In reply to]

> But I think we definitely need some way to differentiate them.

Actually, just a distinctive logo for each of the zope2 and zope3 wikis,
and a generic look for the rest, might be the thing.

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tom at modscape

Oct 30, 2006, 3:36 AM

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Re: wiki skin [In reply to]

On Oct 29, 2006, at 10:29 PM, Simon Michael wrote:

> Chris Withers wrote:
>> Is it going to move to the great new style that's been used for
>> the Zope 3 wiki?
>
> Chris - I have several thoughts on that which I wanted to air -
>
> I took some time to get used to the new skin. I like it a lot -
> great work Kevin (and Tom).
>
> (In fact I'd like to include a generic version in Zwiki as a wiki
> template - are the authors ok with this ? I will make it as
> different as you think necessary to avoid confusion with the zope
> wikis.)

fine with me. :)

>
> I'm also quite fond of the basic Zwiki skin, which is adapted to my
> needs. For jumping around between many wikis, many pages, and doing
> serious wiki gardening, I find it less distracting, also the page
> hierarchy is clearer. For some people it will also be faster. So I
> wanted to leave it in place for at least a few days to give people
> a chance to see how it works for browsing these wikis.
>
> I also like that big Zope planet floating in the background of the
> zope2 wiki. The sense of wide-open spaciousness. And I like that
> it's visually distinct from the zope3 wiki, so you know at a glance
> where you are.
>
> I have been guessing the consensus will be to use the new skin
> across all the wikis, though. But I think we definitely need some
> way to differentiate them.

I'll see if I can come up with something.

>
> Just now, motivated by Martijn's talk at DZUG (recommended!) I
> started to move the templates from /zope3 up to the root folder,
> then I realized the skin has zope3 wiki stuff hard-coded. So some
> more work is needed before the skin can be reused. Kevin, I wonder
> what your thoughts/plans are (feel free to try them out).
>
> Comments ?
>
> -Simon
>
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chris at simplistix

Oct 30, 2006, 3:13 PM

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Re: wiki skin [In reply to]

Simon Michael wrote:
> Chris Withers wrote:
>> Is it going to move to the great new style that's been used for the
>> Zope 3 wiki?
>
> I took some time to get used to the new skin. I like it a lot - great
> work Kevin (and Tom).

Yes indeed :-)

> I have been guessing the consensus will be to use the new skin across
> all the wikis, though.

Well, it gets my +...

> But I think we definitely need some way to
> differentiate them.
> Actually, just a distinctive logo for each of the zope2 and zope3 wikis, and a generic look for the rest, might be the thing.

I agree with your own answer to your question ;-)

cheers,

Chris

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simon at joyful

Oct 30, 2006, 6:42 PM

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Re: wiki skin [In reply to]

Another source of ideas for wiki skin:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsRequirementsSimon Michael wrote:

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kevin at bud

Oct 31, 2006, 3:05 AM

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Re: wiki skin [In reply to]

Hi,

I did a spot of work on the new Z3 wiki skin while at the Plone
sprint in Seattle this weekend. I pulled ratingform.pt and
RecentChanges.dtml into the Z3 wiki so that I could make the skin
more XHTML compliant.

There are some Z3 hard-coded bits in the skin, such as the Zope.org
and Z3 dev wiki home links. If Simon wants to make the skin a little
more generic that's OK by me.

For the Zope 2 wiki if we want to keep the big Zope planet skin I'm
also fine with that. I would recommend adding something like line-
height: 1.3em; to the body tag in the CSS file as some of the text
tends to get crunched up a bit on the wiki.

I may still do a little more skin work on the Z3 skin, it would be
nice to skin the comments section, but that looks like it would
require writting a fair bit of code.

I'm now +1 on removing the ratings from the Z3 skin. While I like the
look of the stars, the ratings themselves to be rather confusing. Is
a user rating the editorial quality of the content or the technical
ideas behind the content? Finally ratings on pages with proposals are
even more confusing as there the ratings could be taken to mean as
votes for the direction of Zope 3.

- Kevin

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