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kevin at bud

Oct 15, 2006, 10:53 PM

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Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

Hello zope-web,

I'd like to help out with the effort to renew the zope.org web site
(s). I've started developing a new skin for ZWiki intended for use
with the new zope 3 wiki. Copying the style from the new Zope
Foundation site seemed like a good place to start - it would be nice
if the new microsites have a reasonably consistent look and feel.
I've put up a development copy of an initial skin here:

http://www.bud.ca/zwiki-dev/zopeorg/FrontPage

This is an early skin, so there are lots of bugs and missing bits,
but it does let us see what ZWiki looks like inside a Zope Foundation
look-and-feel.

Feedback is appreciated.

Some specific notes on this first draft:

* ZWiki actions are in the 'navigation' area. That was easier than
putting the ZWiki subtopics navigation in there - the navigation
section can get pretty big in ZWiki as well.

* The misaligning of the Z watermark in Firefox is present in this
new skin. It looks non-trivial to get rid of this, it will take some
CSS heavy lifting.

* I've hacked the comments section a fair bit. I really like not
having a subject field for comments - but since ZWiki relies on this
for replies and email integration, perhaps this field should stay?

Cheers,

- Kevin Teague
(aka Wheat on irc)

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jens at dataflake

Oct 16, 2006, 6:08 AM

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On 16 Oct 2006, at 01:53, Kevin Teague wrote:

> Hello zope-web,
>
> I'd like to help out with the effort to renew the zope.org web site
> (s). I've started developing a new skin for ZWiki intended for use
> with the new zope 3 wiki. Copying the style from the new Zope
> Foundation site seemed like a good place to start - it would be
> nice if the new microsites have a reasonably consistent look and
> feel. I've put up a development copy of an initial skin here:

Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_
design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different
things.

jens

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regebro at gmail

Oct 16, 2006, 6:26 AM

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On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
> Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_
> design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different
> things.

Yes. That said, that design is better than no design, so if the skin
works, I think we could quickly take a decision to use it.

+ 1 from me.

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jens at dataflake

Oct 16, 2006, 6:32 AM

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On 16 Oct 2006, at 09:26, Lennart Regebro wrote:

> On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
>> Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_
>> design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different
>> things.
>
> Yes. That said, that design is better than no design, so if the skin
> works, I think we could quickly take a decision to use it.

You're definitely right on that, I just wanted to bring it up so we
don't have a lot of people starting to complain *after* the redesign
work for other microsites has been done. Besides, if we choose a
different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
matter.

We should have a quick show of hands throughout today to make sure we
don't end up in some squabble over this.

+1 from me - I think the simple foundation design is perfectly fine
for the wiki microsite.

jens

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regebro at gmail

Oct 16, 2006, 6:35 AM

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On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
> You're definitely right on that, I just wanted to bring it up so we
> don't have a lot of people starting to complain *after* the redesign
> work for other microsites has been done.

Yes, good point!

> Besides, if we choose a
> different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
> jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
> matter.

Well, I think this design is born from the design originally made for
zope.org, no?
So hopefully we can use something similar for all the sites.
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andrew at sawdog

Oct 16, 2006, 6:42 AM

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On 10/16/06 9:32 AM, "Jens Vagelpohl" <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:

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> On 16 Oct 2006, at 09:26, Lennart Regebro wrote:
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>> On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
>>> Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_
>>> design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different
>>> things.
I thought the exact opposite. Go figure.

I think the foundation site slurped the new zope.org look and feel because
it was something that needed to be up sooner.....

>
> You're definitely right on that, I just wanted to bring it up so we
> don't have a lot of people starting to complain *after* the redesign
> work for other microsites has been done. Besides, if we choose a
> different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
> jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
> matter.
>
> We should have a quick show of hands throughout today to make sure we
> don't end up in some squabble over this.
>
> +1 from me - I think the simple foundation design is perfectly fine
> for the wiki microsite.
>
> jens

Regardless, clarification and finalization would be nice.
I think the work Tom did for the zope.org site should span all the
*.zope.org sites.

Andrew

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andrew at sawdog

Oct 16, 2006, 6:43 AM

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On 10/16/06 9:35 AM, "Lennart Regebro" <regebro [at] gmail> wrote:

> On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:
>> You're definitely right on that, I just wanted to bring it up so we
>> don't have a lot of people starting to complain *after* the redesign
>> work for other microsites has been done.
>
> Yes, good point!
>
>> Besides, if we choose a
>> different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
>> jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
>> matter.
>
> Well, I think this design is born from the design originally made for
> zope.org, no?
> So hopefully we can use something similar for all the sites.
> _______________________________________________

You are right Lennart - I think Jens is a little confused. :)

A

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jens at dataflake

Oct 16, 2006, 6:49 AM

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On 16 Oct 2006, at 09:43, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
>>> Besides, if we choose a
>>> different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
>>> jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
>>> matter.
>>
>> Well, I think this design is born from the design originally made for
>> zope.org, no?
>> So hopefully we can use something similar for all the sites.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> You are right Lennart - I think Jens is a little confused. :)

I don't think so. The foundation design was based on zope.org design
mockups, but AFAIK the actual discussion about what design to use for
zope.org had not ended. We just took the mockup for the foundation
site because we needed something right away and the foundation site
design did not elicit as much discussion as the overall zope.org design.

Don't get me wrong, if we can make a quick decision to use this
design for all zope.org-related sites I'd be really happy. I'm just
trying to make sure we have a decision supported by a majority, which
I did not think existed for zope.org - only for foundation.zope.org.

jens

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chris at simplistix

Oct 16, 2006, 7:01 AM

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Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, if we can make a quick decision to use this design
> for all zope.org-related sites I'd be really happy.

Me too. I'm +sys.maxint on this, we've wasted way too much time already
wanking around various designs.

Tom has done an amazing amount of work in this area, lets not make him
do any more than he needs to :-)

Chris

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simon at joyful

Oct 16, 2006, 10:46 AM

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Kevin - whether this is the final design or not - beautiful. :) Thanks for
doing this.

My 2c - as a consumer of zope docs, I'd be happy to see this very classy
water-motif top bar used across a bunch of zope foundation & zope.org
microsites. Also I like very much that you've kept the body font at a
standard size.

Later,
-Simon

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Oct 16, 2006, 8:27 PM

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Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, if we can make a quick decision to use this
> design for all zope.org-related sites I'd be really happy.

+1 for Tom's design to be used for all *.zope.org microsites.

Regards,
Baiju M
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kevin at bud

Oct 22, 2006, 2:40 PM

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Hi all,

I've just rolled out the first cut of the new zope community ZWiki skin.

http://zope3.zwiki.org/FrontPage

There is still plenty of tweaks and work that could be done to this
skin, I'll probably making a few more little adjustments today. Simon
and I are in #zope-web today so feel free to drop by the channel and
gripe about the bits you don't like :)

Aside from wiki-specific feedback, I'm also interested in hearing
ideas on the zope community skins in general. I am obviously +1 on
using Tom's Zope Foundation skin, it's a very solid design, but it
would be nice to have some elements that also distinguished which
micro-site you're within. some ideas:

* Different shade of colours on the left navigation area : Wiki
colour, Foundation colour, etc. although we would probably run out of
good colours quickly and have to resort to clashing colours :(

* Distinguish sites in the header across the top : "Foundation",
"Wiki" etc. also perhaps create additional images for each site, such
as leaves instead of lily pads for the wiki

- Kevin

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Oct 23, 2006, 9:48 PM

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Hi Kevin,

On 10/23/06, Kevin Teague <kevin [at] bud> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just rolled out the first cut of the new zope community ZWiki skin.
>
> http://zope3.zwiki.org/FrontPage

Some docutils styles [1] were not merged to new wiki, now it is prepended to
the stylesheet. Can you make necessary changes to make ReST prettier.
Especially, Note,Attention and Sidebar attributes of ReST.

[1] http://zwiki.org/FrontPage/stylesheet

Regards,
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simon at joyful

Oct 23, 2006, 10:16 PM

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Yes - Kevin, I just prepended the standard docutils stylesheet to your
stylesheet.css. I like to keep it intact and add any overrides at the
bottom, so we can easily replace it with docutils' latest.

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