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chris at simplistix

Aug 18, 2004, 11:31 PM

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"NZO box" on front page

Hi All,

I chopped the NZO announcement box from the front page.
The collector is listed on the Collectors page, and the rest was just
plain out of date.

Hope no-one minds...

Chris

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jim at zope

Aug 19, 2004, 3:39 AM

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Re: "NZO box" on front page [In reply to]

Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I chopped the NZO announcement box from the front page.
> The collector is listed on the Collectors page, and the rest was just
> plain out of date.
>
> Hope no-one minds...

I'm thrilled that that you are helping out. Thanks!

Jim

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chris at simplistix

Aug 19, 2004, 10:06 PM

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Re: "NZO box" on front page [In reply to]

Jim Fulton wrote:
>> Hope no-one minds...
>
> I'm thrilled that that you are helping out. Thanks!

Cool, thanks for the vote of confidence :-)

I'm a bit concerned that I sent a message to this list yesterday, and
it's in the archives:

http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-web/2004-August/003143.html

..but I didn't get a copy back even though I'm pretty sure my mailman
settings say I should.

Now, given the nature of the email (silence is agreement ;-) I thought
I'd check that people had actually received it before I make the changes
it describes!

cheers,

Chris

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tim.one at comcast

Aug 20, 2004, 7:57 AM

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RE: "NZO box" on front page [In reply to]

[Chris Withers]
> ...
>
> I'm a bit concerned that I sent a message to this list yesterday, and
> it's in the archives:
>
> http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-web/2004-August/003143.html
>
> ..but I didn't get a copy back even though I'm pretty sure my mailman
> settings say I should.

That is peculiar! I didn't get that message either.

> Now, given the nature of the email (silence is agreement ;-) I thought
> I'd check that people had actually received it before I make the changes
> it describes!

Probably best if you resend it. When mail.python.org and mail.zope.org got
divorced, it looks like m.p.o got custody of the children (i.e., m.p.o has
gotten much better and m.z.o remained flakey).

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andrew at zope

Aug 20, 2004, 8:13 AM

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Re: "NZO box" on front page [In reply to]

Tim Peters wrote:
> Probably best if you resend it. When mail.python.org and
mail.zope.org got
> divorced, it looks like m.p.o got custody of the children (i.e., m.p.o has
> gotten much better and m.z.o remained flakey).
mail.zope.org is not exactly "flakey" -- mailman gets hungup on
attempting to resend to failed deliveries (over and over and over). It
appears, as mailman runs it's outrunner, it goes over the list of
outfiles in the same order everytime, and gets tied up wasting time
trying to resend to failed deliveries (most of these are for domain
unknown). The failure of this is a 450, which is try again later. I've
looked to find a way to have this return a 550, but I cannot find a way
to do that. Due to the behavior of mailman, it spends most of it's time
attempting to redeliver these (~550 at the moment). We tried upping the
number of outrunner threads from the default of 1 which is way too low -
and this worked initially to clean out good deliveries, but then due to
the way mailman tries to lock the out files it gets itself into a
tailspin and loads down the server. We were able to keep good mail
running through with 15 outrunners, but then when all the good mail was
delivered the system would spiral into huge loads (27+) with mailman
swallowing up the server. I reduced these down to 5 outrunners, and the
tailspin (when it happens) isn't as bad - but it is loading the server
up as mailman contends and throws errors off locks and missing delivered
outfiles.

That said, I'm not sure the behavior of mailman if it's trying to send
out a large number of recipients in a single delivery to the mta - where
it fails due to the non-existent domains and all deliveries fail or what
it's behavior is. I also do not know if mailman has a knob like postfix
to kick failed deliveries out after a set time period. I thought
mailman was supposed to remove these addresses from the lists? Right
now, I see two huge offenders, but have no idea what list they are on or
I'd go remove them manually.

Since I don't have the time to figure out mailman to this degree and no
obvious hits have come up from googling. Both Jens and I have spent
time trying to fix this; but IMNSHO the problem is mailman or our lack
of knowing how to tweak it. If anyone knows the right tweaks to make,
I'd be glad to fix it since I believe I know what the problem is.

Andrew
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tim.one at comcast

Aug 20, 2004, 9:40 AM

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RE: "NZO box" on front page [In reply to]

[Andrew Sawyers]
> mail.zope.org is not exactly "flakey" --

Well, I'm not sure what else to call posts showing up in a list archive that
aren't received by the list subscribers, or posts just vanishing (which also
occurs -- not in the archives, no bounce msgs, just gone). "Plain broken"
seems too strong for that, provided it's rare.

A consequence of the m.p.o/m.z.o split is that it seems the volunteers with
major Mailman expertise ended up attached to m.p.o. m.p.o is fast and
reliable now. FYI, I'll attach its email stats for yesterday.

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about running Mailman. Maybe sending
the symptoms you're seeing to postmaster [at] python could get some good
advice? Very high loads sounds like the same symptom the combined m.[pz].o
had up until the moment of the final divorce; m.p.o doesn't have that
problem anymore, so they must have done *something* to cure it.

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andrew at zope

Aug 20, 2004, 9:49 AM

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Re: "NZO box" on front page [In reply to]

Our postfix is fast and fine; it's that messages are not even being
delivered to postfix from mailman due to the observations I described in
my previous message. I suppose we won't argue semantics - Lets just
say, mailman is flakey :)
In any case, when we had experienced all the problems with the
comingling of m.z.o and m.p.o I sent a bunch of emails to postmaster [at] p
- to no avail. Our best hope is someone knows mailman on high volume
sites better then Jens or I.

It could be even corruption with a single list as far as I know; I just
don't know and have little time to spelunk m.z.o We spent several
hours and are certain the problem is in qfiles/out - I'll see if I
can look into single mta deliveries so that groups aren't possibly being
tossed due to a single recipient failure, as I'm guessing that might be
what could be happening. I'm not even certain who manages the lists;
but it would sure help if that individual or individuals could assist.

Andrew

Tim Peters wrote:

> [Andrew Sawyers]
>
>>mail.zope.org is not exactly "flakey" --
>
>
> Well, I'm not sure what else to call posts showing up in a list archive that
> aren't received by the list subscribers, or posts just vanishing (which also
> occurs -- not in the archives, no bounce msgs, just gone). "Plain broken"
> seems too strong for that, provided it's rare.
>
> A consequence of the m.p.o/m.z.o split is that it seems the volunteers with
> major Mailman expertise ended up attached to m.p.o. m.p.o is fast and
> reliable now. FYI, I'll attach its email stats for yesterday.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't know anything about running Mailman. Maybe sending
> the symptoms you're seeing to postmaster [at] python could get some good
> advice? Very high loads sounds like the same symptom the combined m.[pz].o
> had up until the moment of the final divorce; m.p.o doesn't have that
> problem anymore, so they must have done *something* to cure it.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> [Pydotorg] Postfix log summaries for Aug 19
> From:
> <brad.knowles [at] skynet>
> Date:
> Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:04:05 -0400
> To:
> <pydotorg [at] python>
>
> To:
> <pydotorg [at] python>
>
>
> Postfix log summaries for Aug 19
>
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>
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>
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> 381 zbir [at] urbanape
> 381 bdash [at] gmx
> 381 john [at] hazen
> 381 wsanchez [at] wsanchez
> 379 pinard [at] iro
> 378 fumanchu [at] amor
> 375 marklists [at] mceahern
>
> top 50 Senders by message size
> ------------------------------
> 902m python [at] python
> 89245k none [at] bag
> 20419k mailman [at] python
> 15219k tutor [at] python
> 5955k spambayes [at] python
> 5313k web [at] python
> 2966k pythonmac [at] python
> 1755k patches [at] python
> 1441k db [at] python
> 923k shapiro [at] menssana
> 602k pythonce [at] python
> 441247 pydotorg [at] python
> 337971 xml [at] python
> 324057 argrill [at] warnerpower
> 308975 noreply [at] sourceforge
> 253282 noreply [at] python
> 217738 c++@python.org
> 126223 navmse [at] craneplumbing
> 119090 barry [at] creosote
> 115698 jdahye [at] kordi
> 114354 majordomo [at] sig
> 74148 bac [at] ocf
> 68976 mhammond [at] skippinet
> 68678 mspss [at] gto
> 67859 jph [at] emilia
> 67297 python [at] m
> 59384 mal [at] egenix
> 49099 tkinter [at] python
> 48142 andrew.dolvig [at] freescale
> 46531 postmaster [at] python
> 46450 webmaster [at] python
> 44339 dc [at] python
> 43564 voteforbush [at] hotmail
> 43250 i18n [at] python
> 42651 en1 [at] aol
> 42337 estisanz [at] terra
> 42035 sales [at] pigeonforge
> 41721 wingide [at] wingware
> 41154 tameyer [at] ihug
> 38515 docutils [at] lists
> 38160 mailer [at] filter02
> 34751 billr [at] smart
> 30310 europython [at] python
> 29395 psf [at] python
> 29160 anthonybaxter [at] users
> 28985 bgtees [at] hotmail
> 26774 admin [at] system
> 26415 walter [at] livinglogic
> 23924 pythonmac [at] bounce
> 23777 baypiggies [at] fuzzyorange
>
> top 50 Recipients by message size
> ---------------------------------
> 3049k barry [at] wooz
> 2856k skip [at] pobox
> 2575k mizuno [at] yukiharu
> 2565k mizuno [at] azabu
> 2326k loader [at] loader
> 2301k tismer [at] stackless
> 2221k walter [at] livinglogic
> 2167k tim.peters [at] gmail
> 2140k mal [at] egenix
> 2088k python-list-bounces+wtrenker=shaw.ca [at] bag
> 1958k mlist [at] asesoft
> 1874k michaelr5 [at] mac
> 1866k tutor-bounces [at] bag
> 1822k hyeshik [at] gmail
> 1815k bradb [at] bbnet
> 1774k python-list-bounces+twolabs=bigmir.net [at] bag
> 1687k davida [at] activestate
> 1663k trentm [at] activestate
> 1662k jeremy [at] alum
> 1645k bac [at] ocf
> 1641k henriquesjl [at] yahoo
> 1619k python_lists [at] freemail
> 1610k python-list-bounces+acrraidx=lycos.es [at] bag
> 1609k lurker [at] free
> 1608k erik [at] heneryd
> 1583k python-list-bounces+bany1=centrum.cz [at] bag
> 1573k python-list-bounces+soofern=msn.com [at] bag
> 1560k andrewm [at] object-craft
> 1550k john.abel [at] pa
> 1534k lists [at] mjtsai
> 1509k whisper [at] oz
> 1508k mak [at] trisoft
> 1507k niemeyer [at] conectiva
> 1499k saifi_khan [at] gamebox
> 1494k webmaster [at] beyond-thoughts
> 1493k lists [at] webcrunchers
> 1487k t-meyer [at] ihug
> 1481k ayose.cazorla [at] hispalinux
> 1475k aau69800 [at] par
> 1465k python-list-bounces+home=techfreak.net [at] bag
> 1461k d+pydev [at] trit
> 1442k andymac [at] bullseye
> 1440k szabi [at] mplayerhq
> 1433k jae+python [at] jerhard
> 1423k dr.lizou [at] gmail
> 1420k python-list-bounces+sonjavanhoed=com02.com [at] bag
> 1414k baris [at] uludag
> 1411k kmead [at] cmsystems
> 1410k python-list-bounces+premshree_python=yahoo.co.in [at] bag
> 1407k rnd [at] onego
>
> message bounce detail (by relay)
> --------------------------------
> local (total: 54)
> 25 unknown user: "none"
> 22 unknown user: "/dev/null"
> 5 mail forwarding loop for python-announce-list [at] bag
> 1 unknown user: "administrator"
> 1 unknown user: "av engine"
> none (total: 11)
> 11 User unknown in virtual alias table
> smtp.xs4all.nl[194.109.6.51] (total: 62)
> 34 5.1.8 <InfoSec [at] mailscan>... Domain of sender addres...
> 17 5.1.8 <CBPostmaster [at] cbmain>... Domain of...
> 3 5.1.8 <mspss [at] gto>... Domain of sender address mspss@...
> 2 5.1.8 <Administrator [at] corp>... Domain of sender a...
> 2 5.1.8 <symantec_antivir [at] mona>... Domain of sender addre...
> 1 5.1.8 <Symantec_AntiVirus_for_SMTP_Gateways [at] bj
> 1 5.1.8 <anti-virus [at] paris8>... Domain of...
> 1 5.1.8 <root [at] localhost>... Domain of sender addre...
> 1 5.1.8 <smadmin [at] netranew>... Domain of sender ad...
>
> smtp delivery failures
> ----------------------
> connection refused (total: 19)
> 19 smtp.xs4all.nl
> connection timed out (total: 98)
> 98 smtp.xs4all.nl
> server dropped connection without sending the initial smtp greeting
> (total: 21)
> 21 smtp.xs4all.nl
>
> Warnings: none
>
> Fatal Errors: none
>
> Panics: none
>
> Master daemon messages: none
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tim.one at comcast

Aug 20, 2004, 10:23 AM

Post #8 of 9 (1914 views)
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RE: "NZO box" on front page [In reply to]

[Andrew Sawyers]
> Our postfix is fast and fine; it's that messages are not even being
> delivered to postfix from mailman due to the observations I described in
> my previous message.

The stats I attached show that m.p.o is sending out a gigabyte of email per
day, and Mailman is the only significant source of outgoing email on m.p.o
(I expect that the traffic from the comp.lang.python mailing-list gateway
alone dwarfs all of Zope's list traffic combined). There's no backlog, and
the box isn't thrashing (although you can't tell that from the stats alone).

> I suppose we won't argue semantics - Lets just say, mailman is flakey :)

Yes.

> In any case, when we had experienced all the problems with the commingling
> of m.z.o and m.p.o I sent a bunch of emails to postmaster [at] p
> - to no avail. Our best hope is someone knows mailman on high volume
> sites better then Jens or I.

I'd try again, if I were you. Since the m.p.o postmasters are no longer
fighting any problems with m.p.o's email, (a) they may be able to explain
what they did now that it's *done*; and, (b) they have more "spare time"
now. OTOH, if the problems were due to flakiness in a particular Zope
mailing list, perhaps they got such improvement simply by getting that list
off the m.p.o hardware.

> It could be even corruption with a single list as far as I know; I just
> don't know and have little time to spelunk m.z.o We spent several hours
> and are certain the problem is in qfiles/out - I'll see if I can look
> into single mta deliveries so that groups aren't possibly being tossed
> due to a single recipient failure, as I'm guessing that might be what
> could be happening. I'm not even certain who manages the lists; but it
> would sure help if that individual or individuals could assist.

I run, e.g., zodb-dev [at] zope What specifically could I do to help
determine if that list is causing you problems?

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chris at simplistix

Aug 21, 2004, 12:53 AM

Post #9 of 9 (1924 views)
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Re: "NZO box" on front page [In reply to]

Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> mail.zope.org is not exactly "flakey" -- mailman gets hungup on
> attempting to resend to failed deliveries (over and over and over).

How would this result in one message to a list going missing while
others are still delivered?

Chris

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