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amol.kumbhar39 at gmail

Mar 27, 2009, 6:00 AM

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How to add existing folder in Zope

Hi,

I want to add existing folder in zope. As we can add files by browsing how
could I add existing folder.

Thanks,
Amol.


lists at zopyx

Mar 27, 2009, 6:03 AM

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On 27.03.2009 8:00 Uhr, amol kumbhar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to add existing folder in zope. As we can add files by browsing
> how could I add existing folder.
>

This question does not make any sense. Anything existing can not be
added. What do you mean? Take your time for asking meaningful questions.

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amol.kumbhar39 at gmail

Mar 27, 2009, 6:09 AM

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Re: How to add existing folder in Zope [In reply to]

Actually I want to use SmartClient for my web site and for this I have to
add the SmartClient Library folder into zope so using this I can write JS
which include these libraries.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Andreas Jung <lists [at] zopyx> wrote:

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> On 27.03.2009 8:00 Uhr, amol kumbhar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I want to add existing folder in zope. As we can add files by browsing
> > how could I add existing folder.
> >
>
> This question does not make any sense. Anything existing can not be
> added. What do you mean? Take your time for asking meaningful questions.
>
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ebrehault at gmail

Mar 27, 2009, 6:45 AM

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Hello,

The best way to do it is probably to create a Zope product, and to put
your js library into this product.

Regards,

Eric

2009/3/27 amol kumbhar <amol.kumbhar39 [at] gmail>:
> Actually I want to use SmartClient for my web site and for this I have to
> add the SmartClient Library folder into zope so using this I can write JS
> which  include these libraries.
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Andreas Jung <lists [at] zopyx> wrote:
>>
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>> On 27.03.2009 8:00 Uhr, amol kumbhar wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I want to add existing folder in  zope. As we can add files by browsing
>> > how could I add existing folder.
>> >
>>
>> This question does not make any sense. Anything existing can not be
>> added. What do you mean? Take your time for asking meaningful questions.
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thedagdae at gmail

Mar 27, 2009, 10:11 AM

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Re: How to add existing folder in Zope [In reply to]

Or you may be able to use CMF 'Filesystem directory view'. The easiest way
to do that is to use Plone 3.

I support the extjs javascript library two ways. In Plone I put the whole
extjs directory into a filesystem directory view. In Zope I drop extjs into
a directory served by apache.

-Tim


On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Eric Bréhault <ebrehault [at] gmail> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The best way to do it is probably to create a Zope product, and to put
> your js library into this product.
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric
>
> 2009/3/27 amol kumbhar <amol.kumbhar39 [at] gmail>:
> > Actually I want to use SmartClient for my web site and for this I have to
> > add the SmartClient Library folder into zope so using this I can write JS
> > which include these libraries.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Andreas Jung <lists [at] zopyx> wrote:
> >>
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> >> On 27.03.2009 8:00 Uhr, amol kumbhar wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I want to add existing folder in zope. As we can add files by
> browsing
> >> > how could I add existing folder.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This question does not make any sense. Anything existing can not be
> >> added. What do you mean? Take your time for asking meaningful questions.
> >>
> >> - -aj
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jens at dataflake

Mar 27, 2009, 10:58 AM

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On Mar 27, 2009, at 18:11 , Tim Nash wrote:

> Or you may be able to use CMF 'Filesystem directory view'. The
> easiest way
> to do that is to use Plone 3.

Telling someone to install all of Plone just to make filesystem
content available seems insane, sorry. There are several products out
there which can do the job, like LocalFS.

jens



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dieter at handshake

Mar 27, 2009, 11:49 AM

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Re: How to add existing folder in Zope [In reply to]

amol kumbhar wrote at 2009-3-27 18:39 +0530:
>Actually I want to use SmartClient for my web site and for this I have to
>add the SmartClient Library folder into zope so using this I can write JS
>which include these libraries.

If you have a web server before Zope (recommended for production use),
then you can let the static library be directly delivered from the
web server. This is usually far more efficient than delivery by
Zope (about an order of magnitude).



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thedagdae at gmail

Mar 27, 2009, 5:16 PM

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> Telling someone to install all of Plone just to make filesystem
> content available seems insane, sorry. There are several products out
> there which can do the job, like LocalFS.

LocalFS has been updated since 2006. There is nothing in the zope world
that is as well maintained as plone. Sorry.



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thedagdae at gmail

Mar 27, 2009, 5:33 PM

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make that: LocalFS hasn't been updated since 2006.

There was a time when I would have agreed with you Jens, but the relentless
changes to Zope has worn me down. Now I use what Plone uses and I only
change zope versions when plone changes.



On Mar 27, 2009 5:16pm, thedagdae [at] gmail wrote:
> > Telling someone to install all of Plone just to make filesystem
> > content available seems insane, sorry. There are several products out
> > there which can do the job, like LocalFS.

> LocalFS has been updated since 2006. There is nothing in the zope world
> that is as well maintained as plone. Sorry.


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jens at dataflake

Mar 28, 2009, 1:15 AM

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On Mar 28, 2009, at 01:16 , thedagdae [at] gmail wrote:

>> Telling someone to install all of Plone just to make filesystem
>> content available seems insane, sorry. There are several products out
>> there which can do the job, like LocalFS.
>
> LocalFS has been updated since 2006. There is nothing in the zope
> world that is as well maintained as plone. Sorry.

You're not getting my point. Why would I install a huge package just
for one small functionality?

jens



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robert at redcor

Mar 28, 2009, 9:31 AM

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thedagdae [at] gmail schrieb:
> make that: LocalFS hasn't been updated since 2006.
it still works fine,
there is only a line you have to change in its code where it pulls in security
from cmf to some other cmf module. when starting up cmf tells you what is wrong.
so its really easy to fix.
robert

>
> There was a time when I would have agreed with you Jens, but the
> relentless changes to Zope has worn me down. Now I use what Plone uses
> and I only change zope versions when plone changes.
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2009 5:16pm, thedagdae [at] gmail wrote:
>> > Telling someone to install all of Plone just to make filesystem
>> > content available seems insane, sorry. There are several products out
>> > there which can do the job, like LocalFS.
>>
>> LocalFS has been updated since 2006. There is nothing in the zope
> world that is as well maintained as plone. Sorry.
>>
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thedagdae at gmail

Mar 28, 2009, 12:08 PM

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I get your point, I just don't agree with it. It is often easier to just
install plone than it is to:
1. search and discover LocalFS
2. decide if it is too old or if it can be satisfactorily patched.
3. patch it (thank you Robert)
4. test, test and test it.
5. Hope that it still works in the next version of zope that comes out.
6. plan to test, test and test it in the next version of zope. And the next,
and on and on.

Or you can install plone and know that it has been well tested, it is well
maintained and has a large community. One click and you are done. The next
version of plone will also be well tested.

Look, you can do it anyway you want but if you want to imply that my
suggestion to use Plone is 'insane' you need to come up with a better
alternative than LocalFS.

But of course this is all moot. For most installs the best way to use large
javascript libraries is to put it into an apache folder.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Jens Vagelpohl <jens [at] dataflake> wrote:

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> >> Telling someone to install all of Plone just to make filesystem
> >> content available seems insane, sorry. There are several products out
> >> there which can do the job, like LocalFS.
> >
> > LocalFS has been updated since 2006. There is nothing in the zope
> > world that is as well maintained as plone. Sorry.
>
> You're not getting my point. Why would I install a huge package just
> for one small functionality?
>
> jens
>
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lists at zopyx

Mar 28, 2009, 12:13 PM

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2009/3/28 Tim Nash <thedagdae [at] gmail>

> I get your point, I just don't agree with it. It is often easier to just
> install plone than it is to:
> 1. search and discover LocalFS
> 2. decide if it is too old or if it can be satisfactorily patched.
> 3. patch it (thank you Robert)
> 4. test, test and test it.
> 5. Hope that it still works in the next version of zope that comes out.
> 6. plan to test, test and test it in the next version of zope. And the
> next, and on and on.
>
> Or you can install plone and know that it has been well tested, it is well
> maintained and has a large community. One click and you are done. The next
> version of plone will also be well tested.
>
> Look, you can do it anyway you want but if you want to imply that my
> suggestion to use Plone is 'insane' you need to come up with a better
> alternative than LocalFS.
>
> But of course this is all moot. For most installs the best way to use large
> javascript libraries is to put it into an apache folder.
>

Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no better
idea about doing things. The Filesystem Directory View functionality
is available out-of-the-box through CMF (which is much smaller than Plone).
There was also something like SkinnedFolder (I think) implementing
are similar functionality.

-aj


thedagdae at gmail

Mar 28, 2009, 12:32 PM

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> Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no better
idea about doing things

*sigh* ...and people wonder why the zope community is dying.

I have my very reasonable way of using zope/plone and personal attacks are
not going to change my mind.


On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Andreas Jung <lists [at] zopyx> wrote:

>
>
> 2009/3/28 Tim Nash <thedagdae [at] gmail>
>
>> I get your point, I just don't agree with it. It is often easier to just
>> install plone than it is to:
>> 1. search and discover LocalFS
>> 2. decide if it is too old or if it can be satisfactorily patched.
>> 3. patch it (thank you Robert)
>> 4. test, test and test it.
>> 5. Hope that it still works in the next version of zope that comes out.
>> 6. plan to test, test and test it in the next version of zope. And the
>> next, and on and on.
>>
>> Or you can install plone and know that it has been well tested, it is well
>> maintained and has a large community. One click and you are done. The next
>> version of plone will also be well tested.
>>
>> Look, you can do it anyway you want but if you want to imply that my
>> suggestion to use Plone is 'insane' you need to come up with a better
>> alternative than LocalFS.
>>
>> But of course this is all moot. For most installs the best way to use
>> large javascript libraries is to put it into an apache folder.
>>
>
> Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no better
> idea about doing things. The Filesystem Directory View functionality
> is available out-of-the-box through CMF (which is much smaller than Plone).
> There was also something like SkinnedFolder (I think) implementing
> are similar functionality.
>
> -aj
>
>


lists at zopyx

Mar 28, 2009, 12:37 PM

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On 28.03.2009 14:32 Uhr, Tim Nash wrote:
>> Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no
> better idea about doing things
>
> *sigh* ...and people wonder why the zope community is dying.
>
> I have my very reasonable way of using zope/plone and personal attacks
> are not going to change my mind.

It basically about looking left and right and choosing the right tool
for a problem. Installing Plone for your usecase is totally inadequate.
It's like driving with a tank to the supermarket around the corner for
buying a banana.

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thedagdae at gmail

Mar 28, 2009, 12:58 PM

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No your response and Jens response are totally inappropriate. We will never
rebuild this community if all our posts are greeted with personal attacks.
Using plone for the said usecase is not inappropriate especially since using
a directory view does not require using all of plone.

Please keep your arguments reasonable and focused on the technology or the
management of that technology.


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> > better idea about doing things
> >
> > *sigh* ...and people wonder why the zope community is dying.
> >
> > I have my very reasonable way of using zope/plone and personal attacks
> > are not going to change my mind.
>
> It basically about looking left and right and choosing the right tool
> for a problem. Installing Plone for your usecase is totally inadequate.
> It's like driving with a tank to the supermarket around the corner for
> buying a banana.
>
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akm at theinternet

Mar 28, 2009, 1:33 PM

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+-------[ Tim Nash ]----------------------
| No your response and Jens response are totally inappropriate. We will never
| rebuild this community if all our posts are greeted with personal attacks.

You're not going to "rebuild" any community if given a choice of two
items, they're told to install the largest most complicated of them.

| Using plone for the said usecase is not inappropriate especially since using a
| directory view does not require using all of plone.

Yes, Jens failed to factor in ideology and laziness into the use-case.

| Please keep your arguments reasonable and focused on the technology or the
| management of that technology.

OK.

LocalFS works. It's small. It does the task that was asked for. There
are various patches around that increase its performance to close to that
of serving static content directly out of Apache.

Serving from Apache works. It's external to Zope. It does the task that
was asked for, but, can't be managed from inside Zope or it requires the
Zope install to share a filesystem with Apache (to manage from zope).

Plone works. It's huge. It's complicated. It does 1000x more things than
was asked for and is not a solution that should be recommended to simply
serve files from the file system.

Get a grip. You might want to install plone to do it, but, 99 times out
of 100 that isn't the correct solution to recommend to *anyone* that
just wants to serve files from the file system.

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thedagdae at gmail

Mar 28, 2009, 3:25 PM

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Andrew, If you are going to ignore my arguments about Plone being well
tested, easy to install and having a better upgrade path than a customized
solution like patching localFS, then this is just a waste
of everybody's time.


On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Andrew Milton <akm [at] theinternet>wrote:

> +-------[ Tim Nash ]----------------------
> | No your response and Jens response are totally inappropriate. We will
> never
> | rebuild this community if all our posts are greeted with personal
> attacks.
>
> You're not going to "rebuild" any community if given a choice of two
> items, they're told to install the largest most complicated of them.
>
> | Using plone for the said usecase is not inappropriate especially since
> using a
> | directory view does not require using all of plone.
>
> Yes, Jens failed to factor in ideology and laziness into the use-case.
>
> | Please keep your arguments reasonable and focused on the technology or
> the
> | management of that technology.
>
> OK.
>
> LocalFS works. It's small. It does the task that was asked for. There
> are various patches around that increase its performance to close to that
> of serving static content directly out of Apache.
>
> Serving from Apache works. It's external to Zope. It does the task that
> was asked for, but, can't be managed from inside Zope or it requires the
> Zope install to share a filesystem with Apache (to manage from zope).
>
> Plone works. It's huge. It's complicated. It does 1000x more things than
> was asked for and is not a solution that should be recommended to simply
> serve files from the file system.
>
> Get a grip. You might want to install plone to do it, but, 99 times out
> of 100 that isn't the correct solution to recommend to *anyone* that
> just wants to serve files from the file system.
>
> --
> Andrew Milton
> akm [at] theinternet
>


akm at theinternet

Mar 28, 2009, 4:55 PM

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+-------[ Tim Nash ]----------------------
| Andrew,
| If you are going to ignore my arguments about Plone being well tested, easy
| to install and having a better upgrade path than a customized solution like
| patching localFS, then this is just a waste of everybody's time.

translation: If you don't agree with Tim he will stick his fingers in
his ears and go "la la la la I'm not listening"

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dieter at handshake

Mar 29, 2009, 1:10 AM

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thedagdae [at] gmail wrote at 2009-3-28 00:16 +0000:
> ...
>LocalFS has [not] been updated since 2006.
>
>There is nothing in the zope world
>that is as well maintained as plone. Sorry.

I would like to stress that stable packages (those that do not need to
be continously updated) are in fact a quality sign not an indication
of poor maintenance.


"LocalFS" (disclamer: it is not maintained by me) has worked unchanged
across many Zope versions. I am using "LocalFS-1.3.andreas" since march 2005.

For Zope 2.11, I had to make a minor adjustment because the Zope
developers decided to move "OFS.content_types" to "zope.contenttype"
without a redirection from old to new place.
I consider this a Zope weakness not one of "LocalFS".

For Zope 2.12, another minor adjustment will be necessary, because
the Zope developers decided that modules should no longer be imported
from "Globals" but instead from their primary location.


I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them.

For example, I have extended "LocalFS" to allow configuration of
its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize
our ZODBs in the test and development environments with the production
environment (helpful to perform tests and resolve issues) even though
the file system layout is different.

Fewer updates means fewer merging in of our extensions -- with the
corresponding work and testing.


Of course, you are free to apply different quality criteria....



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dieter at handshake

Mar 29, 2009, 11:30 AM

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Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-28 14:13 -0500:
> ...
>Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no better
>idea about doing things. The Filesystem Directory View functionality
>is available out-of-the-box through CMF (which is much smaller than Plone).
>There was also something like SkinnedFolder (I think) implementing
>are similar functionality.

"SkinnedFolder" (at least if you mean
"http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/index.html#bct_sec_4.7")
makes "CMFCore"'s "SkinsTool" available (without the need to use
"CMFDefault" or portal objects).

"FileSystemSite"
(http://www.zope.org/Members/k_vertigo/Products/FileSystemSite)
is the standalone "DirectoryView" functionality.



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thedagdae at gmail

Mar 29, 2009, 3:20 PM

Post #22 of 30 (4096 views)
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Once upon a time there was a man walking down the street. He came upon two
neighbors in their driveways. One guy was washing his Z-Honda and the other
guy was working on his Z-MG-midget. The pedestrian said "Hey, I'm thinking
of getting a car to carry groceries home from the market" The Z-Honda guy
said, "Why don't you get one of these Z-Honda's they do the job and they are
easy to own"


The Z-MG guy was a mechanic and he liked working on his Z-MG. he said "That
Honda guy is insane, you should get a Z-MG. It is much better than a big
Z-Honda"


The Z-Honda guy said " I used to like working on Z-MGs but now I just drive
a Z-Honda. I rarely need to take it to the mechanic"


Then another neighbor came out the door. He was also a mechanic. In fact he
worked at the z-car factory. "Hey" he said, "don't listen to that Honda guy,
he doesn't know anything"


Now all along, the Honda guy was wondering what the heck was going on down
out the z-car factory. You see the z-car factory has been producing many new
models of z-cars but they haven't included many interesting new features. In
fact the factory has been taking features out of the z-cars. The factory
claims that we all have to make adjustments so that we can have z cars made
out of some fantastic new material called 'z-components'. The factory has
been promising wonderful things will be coming from this new way of making z
cars. The cars will be more like this fantastic new z-car called a 'z3'
series. But the Honda guy hasn't seen any of these z3 cars around town. It
seems nobody is buying them and they have been manufactured for many, many
years. Furthermore, the Honda guy took a z3-car for a test drive one time
and it looked like a research project. Everything required special
configuration and the interface looked weird. What is worse they took out
dtml which was one of the Honda guys favorite features. Zclasses and TTW
editing were also gone. The Honda guy saw a lot of stuff missing from the z3
but he still wanted to believe the factory was right about z-components. He
still appreciated the factories efforts, but many years went by and nobody
outside of the factory became excited about the z3 line. "So why are they
taking us in a direction that nobody seems to want to go" the Honda guy
thought. "and with every new release, things are shuffled around. The only
people who can tell what will work are the mechanics who work on z-cars
everyday"


Just then another neighbor , also a mechanic, came out the door and shouted
" The honda guy is lazy. Don't listen to him"


Eventually along came sheriff D in his patrol car. Now everybody knew that
sheriff D was the brightest guy in town and if the z-car factory every does
perfect their z-component manufacturing, the sheriff will be able to turn
z-cars into whatever he wants to. "What is going on here" the sheriff said,
"these guys are good mechanics. Their cars are wonderful. Why I once took
one of these guys old cars and I converted it into a jet." Nobody doubted
it. The sheriff had the skills. "There is no problem with these z-cars" he
said.


The Honda guy just sighed. "Well" he waved his hand at his mechanic
neighbors. "I'm not crazy about the way these guys express their opinions
but they have valid points of view. Me, I like my Honda, and if you go down
to the market you will see a lot more Z-Hondas than Z-MGs"


And with that he turned and went in his house.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Dieter Maurer <dieter [at] handshake> wrote:

> Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-28 14:13 -0500:
> > ...
> >Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no better
> >idea about doing things. The Filesystem Directory View functionality
> >is available out-of-the-box through CMF (which is much smaller than
> Plone).
> >There was also something like SkinnedFolder (I think) implementing
> >are similar functionality.
>
> "SkinnedFolder" (at least if you mean
> "http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/index.html#bct_sec_4.7")
> makes "CMFCore"'s "SkinsTool" available (without the need to use
> "CMFDefault" or portal objects).
>
> "FileSystemSite"
> (http://www.zope.org/Members/k_vertigo/Products/FileSystemSite)
> is the standalone "DirectoryView" functionality.
>
>
>
> --
> Dieter
>


akm at theinternet

Mar 30, 2009, 2:11 AM

Post #23 of 30 (4093 views)
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+-------[ Tim Nash ]----------------------
|

[.snip long story about noone paying attention to the actual requirements]

I notice none of them installed plone either.

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chris at simplistix

Apr 2, 2009, 12:13 PM

Post #24 of 30 (3994 views)
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robert rottermann wrote:
> thedagdae [at] gmail schrieb:
>> make that: LocalFS hasn't been updated since 2006.
> it still works fine,
> there is only a line you have to change in its code where it pulls in security
> from cmf to some other cmf module. when starting up cmf tells you what is wrong.
> so its really easy to fix.
> robert

Maybe you could take ownership and roll a release, preferably as an egg?

Chris

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chris at simplistix

Apr 2, 2009, 12:15 PM

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Tim Nash wrote:
> Or you can install plone and know that it has been well tested, it is
> well maintained

Ho ho ho... surely you jest?!

> Look, you can do it anyway you want but if you want to imply that my
> suggestion to use Plone is 'insane' you need to come up with a better
> alternative than LocalFS.

Actually, I'd back Jens on this one... You swallow Plohn you're
swallowing one *huge* codebase that will have you trapped with some
obscure set of versions of stuff (including Zope!) for years to come.

> But of course this is all moot. For most installs the best way to use
> large javascript libraries is to put it into an apache folder.

Indeed.

Chris

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