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ct at gocept

Nov 16, 2011, 7:39 AM

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Zope 4 ZMI sprint report

Hi,

as you might have noticed there was a sprint and we'd like to update you
on what happened. :) Sorry if we under-communicated beforehand.

As part of the DZUG[1] sprint series[2] we tried looking into what a
refreshed ZMI for Zope 4 could be.

We started working on some code (it's really not that much) and gathered
our thoughts[3] about the ZMI that might be interesting for you to read.
We hope to follow up on this in the near future.

However, we also discussed technical and organisational hurdles that we
met and that kept us from "just doing" the ZMI and we're currently
approaching the Zope Foundation board about "officially" establishing
the Zope 4 project and concentrating our efforts on that.

We think there will be a need (and we have some ideas for that) to
establish project management, a mission statement and road map so that
we can all channel our efforts together.

Cheers,
Christian Theune (and Charlie Clark, Veit Schiele, Yvo Schubbe, Jens
Vagelpohl)

[1] In case you haven't heard, we're in the process of renaming this to
"Python Software Verband" - Germany's Python Software Foundation. So
PySV will be showing up instead of DZUG in the future.

[2] We're working on a sprint series concept that will establish
sprint opportunities for Python-related projects in Germany on a
quarterly basis. I personally hope to use those to work on stuff
like Zope 4 in a more productive manner than with those sprint days
attached to an already exhausting conference.

[3] http://docs.zope.org/zmi.core/thoughts.html

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lozinski at freerecruiting

Jan 25, 2012, 8:29 PM

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Re: Zope 4 ZMI sprint report [In reply to]

Thank you for the sprint report.

I think it is great that you are working on upgrading the ZMI.

I am also turning my attention to this problem. Clearly ZMI needs an
upgrade.
I need an upgraded ZMI.

Today I fired up my old version of ZAM. I can give you a password and
url if you want to see what it looks like. My understanding is that
it is a well thought out upgrade for the ZMI. Properly done with page
templates, not dtml, and pluggable. It certainly looks nice.

Of course it has copy, cut, delete, rename, but no create.

I also did a reinstall of the ZAM demo, but it broke.

Am I doing the wrong thing working on ZAM? Is that consistent with the
direction others are taking on upgrading the ZMI, or should I be putting
my energy elsewhere?

If I am doing the right thing working on ZAM, perhaps the first thing I
should do is get the install working again correctly. For that I have
to get svn access from the Zope foundation. I presume Larry Rowe is the
release manager for Zope 4, so he is the person who signs off on the
upgrades to ZAM?

Do I understand the process correctly? Is ZAM part of Zope 4? Is it
the basis of the new ZMI, or is something else the new ZMI?

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l at lrowe

Feb 1, 2012, 7:39 AM

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Re: Zope 4 ZMI sprint report [In reply to]

On 26 January 2012 04:29, Christopher Lozinski
<lozinski [at] freerecruiting> wrote:
> Thank you for the sprint report.
>
> I think it is great that you are working on upgrading the ZMI.
>
> I am also turning my attention to this problem. Clearly ZMI needs an
> upgrade.
> I need an upgraded ZMI.
>
> Today I fired up my old version of ZAM. I can give you a password and
> url if you want to see what it looks like. My understanding is that
> it is a well thought out upgrade for the ZMI. Properly done with page
> templates, not dtml, and pluggable. It certainly looks nice.
>
> Of course it has copy, cut, delete, rename, but no create.
>
> I also did a reinstall of the ZAM demo, but it broke.
>
> Am I doing the wrong thing working on ZAM? Is that consistent with the
> direction others are taking on upgrading the ZMI, or should I be putting
> my energy elsewhere?
>
> If I am doing the right thing working on ZAM, perhaps the first thing I
> should do is get the install working again correctly. For that I have
> to get svn access from the Zope foundation. I presume Larry Rowe is the
> release manager for Zope 4, so he is the person who signs off on the
> upgrades to ZAM?
>
> Do I understand the process correctly? Is ZAM part of Zope 4? Is it
> the basis of the new ZMI, or is something else the new ZMI?

I think building a better ZMI will be important in the long run though
I'm not sure it should land in Zope 4 itself as I think it could be
too big a step for that release. I wasn't able to get zam.demo (svn
trunk) to run, so I don't have an opinion on ZAM itself at the moment.
Note that Zope 4 is based on Zope 2 rather than BlueBream so I don't
know how much of the existing work would still be applicable.

I can volunteer some time towards guiding the Zope 4 release process,
though it may be appropriate to find someone more comfortable with the
existing svn/email/launchpad toolchain to be release manager if the
consensus is to stay with that.

Laurence
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