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ct at gocept

Sep 17, 2009, 11:52 PM

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Visibility of policy changes: Was: [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.security/trunk/ keep trunk version at 0. Update changes

On 09/11/2009 05:58 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Fred Drake wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Martijn Faassen <faassen [at] startifact> wrote:
>>> So, could you please follow this policy for ZTK packages in SVN?
>>
>> I suspect it would help if packages that are part of the ZTK have that
>> indicated somewhere convenient, like near where the version number is
>> specified in the setup.py file. Possibly with a link to the ZTK
>> release policies.
>>
>> When making changes, we're often considering the relevant packages in
>> isolation or in the context of our own applications, so a pointer to
>> additional policies that apply is helpful.
>
> That's a good idea.
>
> The extreme version of this reminder would to mark it in a lot of places
> in the package - in every python file and in setup.py near the version
> and near the dependencies listing and every aspect that could possibly
> be affected by ZTK policy. That is unworkable.
>
> I figured a reference to the ZTK policies on the top of the setup.py
> would be enough to remind people.
>
> I've just committed these changes.
>
> I've also taken the liberty to update the ZTK policy to say that this
> should be done. (other steering group members can call me back if they
> don't like this policy change :)

I'm happy with that change, except that it might be worthwhile to
announce policy changes in a separate thread.

Christian

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faassen at startifact

Sep 18, 2009, 12:21 AM

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Re: Visibility of policy changes: Was: [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.security/trunk/ keep trunk version at 0. Update changes [In reply to]

Hi there,

Christian Theune wrote:
> I'm happy with that change, except that it might be worthwhile to
> announce policy changes in a separate thread.

Good point. I'll do that in the future; please remind again if it
doesn't happen.

Regards,

Martijn

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srichter at cosmos

Sep 18, 2009, 5:04 AM

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Re: Visibility of policy changes: Was: [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.security/trunk/ keep trunk version at 0. Update changes [In reply to]

On Friday 18 September 2009, Christian Theune wrote:
> > I've also taken the liberty to update the ZTK policy to say that this
> > should be done. (other steering group members can call me back if they
> > don't like this policy change :)
>
> I'm happy with that change, except that it might be worthwhile to
> announce policy changes in a separate thread.

Sounds good to me too, but I think the setup.py file is sufficient.

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ct at gocept

Sep 18, 2009, 5:10 AM

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Re: Visibility of policy changes: Was: [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.security/trunk/ keep trunk version at 0. Update changes [In reply to]

On 09/18/2009 02:04 PM, Stephan Richter wrote:
> On Friday 18 September 2009, Christian Theune wrote:
>>> I've also taken the liberty to update the ZTK policy to say that this
>>> should be done. (other steering group members can call me back if they
>>> don't like this policy change :)
>>
>> I'm happy with that change, except that it might be worthwhile to
>> announce policy changes in a separate thread.
>
> Sounds good to me too, but I think the setup.py file is sufficient.

I'm not sure I understand your comment correctly. The setup.py doesn't
generally need touching.

My goal is to keep developers updated on changing policies. Whereas the
setup.py change is a one-time thing that allows developers to identify
which policy set is valid for a given package.

Christian

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ct at gocept

Sep 18, 2009, 5:47 AM

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Re: Visibility of policy changes: Was: [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.security/trunk/ keep trunk version at 0. Update changes [In reply to]

On 09/18/2009 09:21 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Christian Theune wrote:
>> I'm happy with that change, except that it might be worthwhile to
>> announce policy changes in a separate thread.
>
> Good point. I'll do that in the future; please remind again if it
> doesn't happen.

I'll try to. I'll record that in the documentation about decisions.

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faassen at startifact

Sep 18, 2009, 6:25 AM

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Re: Visibility of policy changes: Was: [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.security/trunk/ keep trunk version at 0. Update changes [In reply to]

Christian Theune wrote:
> On 09/18/2009 02:04 PM, Stephan Richter wrote:
>> On Friday 18 September 2009, Christian Theune wrote:
>>>> I've also taken the liberty to update the ZTK policy to say that this
>>>> should be done. (other steering group members can call me back if they
>>>> don't like this policy change :)
>>> I'm happy with that change, except that it might be worthwhile to
>>> announce policy changes in a separate thread.
>> Sounds good to me too, but I think the setup.py file is sufficient.
>
> I'm not sure I understand your comment correctly. The setup.py doesn't
> generally need touching.

I think there was some misunderstanding. I understood Christian to mean
I shouldn't announce ZTK policy changes hidden in some thread. If there
is new/changed policy we should announce it in a new thread so that
people can pick up on it.

I'm not sure we can *always* do this. For instance, I just edited the
guidelines for when a package should be in the ZTK or not slightly, but
it's not really a major policy change. I hope the SVN changelog is
enough for this.

Regards,

Martijn

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