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kobold at kobold

Jul 8, 2009, 1:19 PM

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Packages to be released

Hello,

I'd like to release some packages with fixed/improved dependencies:

- zope.location
- zope.sendmail
- zope.pagetemplate
- zope.app.publisher
- zope.filerepresentation

These packages are already ok in the repository, but I don't have the rights to
do the upload to pypi. Can somebody do the releases? Can I prepare the job in
someway? Can I have release permissions for the packages? My pypi nickname is
kobold.

Thanks,
Fabio
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jim at zope

Jul 8, 2009, 2:07 PM

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Re: Packages to be released [In reply to]

On Jul 8, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'd like to release some packages with fixed/improved dependencies:
>
> - zope.location
> - zope.sendmail
> - zope.pagetemplate
> - zope.app.publisher
> - zope.filerepresentation
>
> These packages are already ok in the repository, but I don't have
> the rights to
> do the upload to pypi. Can somebody do the releases? Can I prepare
> the job in
> someway? Can I have release permissions for the packages? My pypi
> nickname is
> kobold.

Well, um, we're in a position now where the various packages we've
released don't seem to work together, because we've been releasing
individual packages without running combined tests. I know this isn't
your fault, but I'm queezy about doing more of this.

Jim

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faassen at startifact

Aug 6, 2009, 9:29 AM

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Re: Packages to be released [In reply to]

Hey,

Jim Fulton wrote:

> Well, um, we're in a position now where the various packages we've
> released don't seem to work together, because we've been releasing
> individual packages without running combined tests. I know this isn't
> your fault, but I'm queezy about doing more of this.

z3c.recipe.compattest is our friend. we should run it more often.

Regadrs,

Martijn

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faassen at startifact

Aug 6, 2009, 9:31 AM

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Re: Packages to be released [In reply to]

Hey,

Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
> I'd like to release some packages with fixed/improved dependencies:
>
> - zope.location
> - zope.sendmail
> - zope.pagetemplate
> - zope.app.publisher
> - zope.filerepresentation
>
> These packages are already ok in the repository, but I don't have the rights to
> do the upload to pypi. Can somebody do the releases? Can I prepare the job in
> someway? Can I have release permissions for the packages? My pypi nickname is
> kobold.

Belatedly I'm giving you pypi permissions.

To Jim: We've been giving out permissions a lot to people who take the
responsibility to work on packages, and I think the gained participation
outweighs the breakage - we should be running a compatibility test
regime if we care about complex inter-package breakages.

Regards,

Martijn

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jim at zope

Aug 6, 2009, 10:13 AM

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Re: Packages to be released [In reply to]

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Martijn Faassen<faassen[at]startifact.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
>> I'd like to release some packages with fixed/improved dependencies:
>>
>> � - zope.location
>> � - zope.sendmail
>> � - zope.pagetemplate
>> � - zope.app.publisher
>> � - zope.filerepresentation
>>
>> These packages are already ok in the repository, but I don't have the rights to
>> do the upload to pypi. Can somebody do the releases? Can I prepare the job in
>> someway? Can I have release permissions for the packages? My pypi nickname is
>> kobold.
>
> Belatedly I'm giving you pypi permissions.
>
> To Jim: We've been giving out permissions a lot to people who take the
> responsibility to work on packages, and I think the gained participation
> outweighs the breakage

I certainly appreciate the participation. I'm sure you appreciate the
problem with breakage, although I'm not sure you appreciate it as much
as I do. :) I think we've had too much breakage.

> - we should be running a compatibility test
> regime if we care about complex inter-package breakages.

Yup. A number of people are working on this. I'm very hopeful that we
will get this figured out soon.

A critical task now is to figure out the set to be tested.

Jim

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faassen at startifact

Aug 8, 2009, 9:37 AM

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Re: Packages to be released [In reply to]

Hey,

Jim Fulton wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Martijn Faassen<faassen[at]startifact.com> wrote:
[snip]
> I certainly appreciate the participation. I'm sure you appreciate the
> problem with breakage, although I'm not sure you appreciate it as much
> as I do. :) I think we've had too much breakage.

I think there are two forces here:

* people want stability in the integrated whole

* enabling the individual package developer: ideally a package can be
developed by itself and if the tests run, a release can be made.

We have made good progress in enabling developers and actually going
somewhere, but we haven't been good at providing and managing a stable
foundation yet for the ZTK.

I think lots of us are currently on Zope 3.4 KGS. Grok hasn't moved off
Zope 3.4 KGS yet either, for instance.

>> - we should be running a compatibility test
>> regime if we care about complex inter-package breakages.
>
> Yup. A number of people are working on this. I'm very hopeful that we
> will get this figured out soon.

That's great!

By the way, I invite those people to document this in the Zope Toolkit
documentation. One problem I've had in the past is that I can't keep
track of what tools there are and how to use them; a single place that
gives an overview and some basic instructions would be very helpful.

Regards,

Martijn

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