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jim at zope

Jul 2, 2009, 3:30 AM

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zope.app.module, zope.app.interface and zodb in KGS?

zope.app.module provides support for persistemt modules.
zope.app.interface provides support for persistent interfaces. Both
rely on a highly experimental zodbcode. I don't have a problem with
these being projects, but I don't think they should be in the KGS. I
don't think we should commit to supporting them, at least not as part
of the KGS. Does anyone disagree?

Jim

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hanno at hannosch

Jul 2, 2009, 4:58 AM

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Re: zope.app.module, zope.app.interface and zodb in KGS? [In reply to]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jim Fulton<jim[at]zope.com> wrote:
> zope.app.module provides support for persistemt modules.
> zope.app.interface provides support for persistent interfaces. Both
> rely on a highly experimental zodbcode. I don't have a problem with
> these being projects, but I don't think they should be in the KGS. I
> don't think we should commit to supporting them, at least not as part
> of the KGS. Does anyone disagree?

+10 on removing those from the KGS.

Right now both zope.app.zapi and zope.app.zcmlfiles still have a hard
dependency on zope.app.interface though.

Hanno
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jim at zope

Jul 2, 2009, 6:41 AM

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Re: zope.app.module, zope.app.interface and zodb in KGS? [In reply to]

On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jim Fulton<jim[at]zope.com> wrote:
>> zope.app.module provides support for persistemt modules.
>> zope.app.interface provides support for persistent interfaces. Both
>> rely on a highly experimental zodbcode. I don't have a problem with
>> these being projects, but I don't think they should be in the KGS. I
>> don't think we should commit to supporting them, at least not as part
>> of the KGS. Does anyone disagree?
>
> +10 on removing those from the KGS.
>
> Right now both zope.app.zapi

This was deprecated a long time ago.

I think we should remove it from the kgs. Is anyone using it?

> and zope.app.zcmlfiles still have a hard
> dependency on zope.app.interface though.

I don't think zope.app.zcml files should be in it either. It was
intended as a bridge to get us from teh monolith world to the new
world. Perhaps zope.app.zcml files should become a sort of meta
package for some working set of the things it depends on, at some
revision at which it worked, perhaps corresponding to the 3.4.0
release/kgs.

Jim

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hanno at hannosch

Jul 2, 2009, 9:11 AM

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Re: zope.app.module, zope.app.interface and zodb in KGS? [In reply to]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Jim Fulton<jim[at]zope.com> wrote:
>
> On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>
>> and zope.app.zcmlfiles still have a hard
>> dependency on zope.app.interface though.
>
> I don't think zope.app.zcml files should be in it either. It was intended
> as a bridge to get us from teh monolith world to the new world. Perhaps
> zope.app.zcml files should become a sort of meta package for some working
> set of the things it depends on, at some revision at which it worked,
> perhaps corresponding to the 3.4.0 release/kgs.

I think zcmlfiles is still a testing dependency of quite a bit of
stuff. Basically anything that tries to do functional testing sets up
some kind of complete test fixture based on this IIRC. And we haven't
yet gotten rid of all zope.app.* packages that do this.

I'm not saying this should be that case, but it might be something
that needs to be resolved, before we can remove this thing from the
KGS. Removing it when still various tests depend on it, doesn't strike
me as the best way to do things.

Hanno
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jim at zope

Jul 2, 2009, 10:12 AM

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Re: zope.app.module, zope.app.interface and zodb in KGS? [In reply to]

On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Jim Fulton<jim[at]zope.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>>
>>> and zope.app.zcmlfiles still have a hard
>>> dependency on zope.app.interface though.
>>
>> I don't think zope.app.zcml files should be in it either. It was
>> intended
>> as a bridge to get us from teh monolith world to the new world.
>> Perhaps
>> zope.app.zcml files should become a sort of meta package for some
>> working
>> set of the things it depends on, at some revision at which it worked,
>> perhaps corresponding to the 3.4.0 release/kgs.
>
> I think zcmlfiles is still a testing dependency of quite a bit of
> stuff. Basically anything that tries to do functional testing sets up
> some kind of complete test fixture based on this IIRC. And we haven't
> yet gotten rid of all zope.app.* packages that do this.

You're probably right

> I'm not saying this should be that case, but it might be something
> that needs to be resolved, before we can remove this thing from the
> KGS. Removing it when still various tests depend on it, doesn't strike
> me as the best way to do things.

probably not

Then the question is whether the dependence of zope.app.zcmlfiles on
zope.app.interface is needed. I'll look to see what that's about.

I need to resist the urge to clean things up and leave them in if they
aren't causing test failures,

I'd really like to get to something more flexible that
zope.app.testing.functional, to make it simpler for applications to
use only as much set up as they need. zope.app.testing.function was
great in its time, but I think we can do better.

Jim

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faassen at startifact

Aug 6, 2009, 9:14 AM

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Re: zope.app.module, zope.app.interface and zodb in KGS? [In reply to]

Hey,

Jim Fulton wrote:
[snip]
> Then the question is whether the dependence of zope.app.zcmlfiles on
> zope.app.interface is needed. I'll look to see what that's about.

For the record, I'd be happy to see zope.app.interface and
zope.app.module gone from our dependencies.

zope.app.zcmlfiles too, but that's going to be a harder nut to crack, I
expect.

> I'd really like to get to something more flexible that
> zope.app.testing.functional, to make it simpler for applications to
> use only as much set up as they need. zope.app.testing.function was
> great in its time, but I think we can do better.

+1. It's keeping a lot of (testing) dependencies alive. In general it's
nice if a package's testing dependencies are equivalent to its normal
dependencies, i.e. (almost) no testing dependencies.

Regards,

Martijn

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