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2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu)

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jim at zope

Jun 24, 2009, 2:39 AM

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2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu)

On Jun 23, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:

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> Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
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>> Zope 2 and Plone
>> ================
>>
>> Zope 2 and Plone are obviously related, so the future of one of the
>> two
>> influences the other one.
>>
>> The main problem for Zope2 is that the current stable upstream branch
>> (2.12) still requires python2.4.

I don't seem to have gotten this. Weird.

> Incorrect: Zope 2.12 is supported only on Python 2.5 / 2.6. The
> INSTALL.rst[1] file says:
>
> Prerequisites
> -------------
>
> System requirements when building from source
>
> - A supported version of Python, including the development support if
> installed from system-level packages. Supported versions include:
>
> * 2.5.x, (x >= 4)
>
> * 2.6.x

That's great news! I'd missed this.

Jim

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kobold at kobold

Jun 24, 2009, 2:43 AM

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Re: 2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu) [In reply to]

* 2009-06-24 11:39, Jim Fulton wrote:
> >> The main problem for Zope2 is that the current stable upstream branch
> >> (2.12) still requires python2.4.

My fault, I meant 2.11 (which is the current stable).

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jim at zope

Jun 24, 2009, 2:53 AM

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Re: 2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu) [In reply to]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 5:43 AM, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:

> * 2009-06-24 11:39, Jim Fulton wrote:
>>>> The main problem for Zope2 is that the current stable upstream
>>>> branch
>>>> (2.12) still requires python2.4.
>
> My fault, I meant 2.11 (which is the current stable).

So then, how soon would 2.12 need to be released for you to not drop
debian support for Zope 2 and Plone?

Jim

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kobold at kobold

Jun 24, 2009, 3:29 AM

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Re: 2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu) [In reply to]

* 2009-06-24 12:26, Jim Fulton wrote:
> So then, how soon would 2.12 need to be released for you to not drop
> debian support for Zope 2 and Plone?

The problem is not Zope by itself but Plone, which still needs Zope 2.10,
which in turn requires python 2.4.

It seems that a new major release of Plone will happen at the end of the
year, which is already too late for Ubuntu Karmic (next stable release).

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Jun 24, 2009, 3:45 AM

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Re: 2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu) [In reply to]

On 24.06.09 12:29, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
> * 2009-06-24 12:26, Jim Fulton wrote:
>
>> So then, how soon would 2.12 need to be released for you to not drop
>> debian support for Zope 2 and Plone?
>>
> The problem is not Zope by itself but Plone, which still needs Zope 2.10,
> which in turn requires python 2.4.
>
> It seems that a new major release of Plone will happen at the end of the
> year, which is already too late for Ubuntu Karmic (next stable release).
>
We had the very same discussion with the guys from Canonical at some months
ago at PyCon. My personal opionion: the Zope developers don't care much
about release dates (that the "it's done when it is done" attitiude -
good or
bad...). Therefore we can not and won't care much about the release
dates and
requirements of each single distribution. The other question: are Plone
packages
included with some Linux distribution important for attracting people to
Plone.
My opionion: no. It's nice having OFTB support for Plone and Zope on the
distros
but the Zope and Plone packages raised more problems for serious Zope/Plone
users in the past than they actually solved. Serious installations usually
install their own Python, Zope & Plone from the sources or using zc.buildout
nowadays (this approach is supported by the Zope and Plone developers).

Andreas

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