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kentsin at poboxes

Mar 6, 1999, 5:51 PM

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Features / Demos want

Dear Zope developers,

I dl zope recently, I think it will become a great site management
product. However, I can not learn much from the docs I found. Here are
some things in my mind, Please consider to put them into the docs and
give some examples to get people start.

1. Auto (dynamic) Site map generation. A branch can be excluded by
assigning a specific attribute to the folder.
2. Auto menu generation. Nodes with specific attribute on it. Can be
horizontal or vertical. Just like in Zope's site.
3. News page generation. With automatic expire by designated date.
4. Ad banner insertation and billing management.
5. Search the site.
6. Expire pages by designated date. (will remove them from menu)
7. Backup / versioning
8. Personalize : like that on excite.
9. Access to meta information inside the page: time-last-modify, author,
last-visit-time, version, visit-counter, meta-tags.
10. Support Spiders
11. Xml storage and publishing : store them with parsing, searchable,
publishing with stylesheet (we may not want to give them all of the XML,
may be part of it).
12. A better WYSIWYG authoring tool.
13. Multi-linguage management: use browser's lang perference to select
language sent out, with auto menu generate in that lang and change lang
menu auto gen. When a page is modified, list all pages need to modify in
other languages. (some what like fontpage's task list?).

Thanks for

petrilli at amber

Mar 6, 1999, 6:23 PM

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On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:51:18AM +0800, Kent Sin wrote:

> 2. Auto menu generation. Nodes with specific attribute on it. Can be
> horizontal or vertical. Just like in Zope's site.

This is trivial to do, or are you complaining that you just don't know
how? One of the neat things is to look at the DTML behind zope.org. I
use TinyTables to control the side-bars, but certainly you could do it
in other ways.

> 3. News page generation. With automatic expire by designated date.

Same here.

> 4. Ad banner insertation and billing management.

Can you say political hotbutton :-)

> 7. Backup / versioning

This to a large extent already exists, it just needs better
documentation, and the ability to extract old versions into another
database. I think some of this is in BoboPOS3

> 8. Personalize : like that on excite.

Waiting for the code :-)

> 9. Access to meta information inside the page: time-last-modify, author,
> last-visit-time, version, visit-counter, meta-tags.

Well, here's the problem... what's a pagee? ;-) How do you decide "last
modified" and author when a page can be constructed of objects that have
dozens of other objects inside them? What's a "visit counter" in this
context?

> 10. Support Spiders

What do you mean by this?

> 11. Xml storage and publishing : store them with parsing, searchable,
> publishing with stylesheet (we may not want to give them all of the XML,
> may be part of it).

Um, you can store XML, and there's some other stuff to do XML parsing
that's been written..

> 12. A better WYSIWYG authoring tool.

On what platform? I don't own a Windows box, Mac and UNIX only... this
will be fixed with WebDAV in my opinion, and it isn't the job of Zope to
push it's own proprietary solution.

> 13. Multi-linguage management: use browser's lang perference to select
> language sent out, with auto menu generate in that lang and change lang
> menu auto gen. When a page is modified, list all pages need to modify in
> other languages. (some what like fontpage's task list?).

This would be neat, but... this is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE task, and I've
never found a web site that does it "automatically", only thru selecting
seperate menu itenms. Make sense?

Chris
--
| Christopher Petrilli ``Television is bubble-gum for
| petrilli [at] amber the mind.''-Frank Lloyd Wright

reedstrm at wallace

Mar 6, 1999, 7:00 PM

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Re: Features / Demos want [In reply to]

Christopher Petrilli wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:51:18AM +0800, Kent Sin wrote:

>
> > 13. Multi-linguage management: use browser's lang perference to select
> > language sent out, with auto menu generate in that lang and change lang
> > menu auto gen. When a page is modified, list all pages need to modify in
> > other languages. (some what like fontpage's task list?).
>
> This would be neat, but... this is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE task, and I've
> never found a web site that does it "automatically", only thru selecting
> seperate menu itenms. Make sense?

Actually, Chris, I think the Debian Linux home page at www.debian.org does
do auto language selection. I've never experienced it myself (being one
of those nearly-mono-lingual Americans everyone like to trash) but I've
heard it is automatic.

Couldn't resist - set Netscape to prefer German (de), force-reloaded
www.debian.org, and lo and behold, there's a bunch of unreadable Deutch
on my screen! (well unreadable to _me_;-)

Ross

>
> Chris
> --
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> | petrilli [at] amber the mind.''-Frank Lloyd Wright
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DAve at mail

Mar 7, 1999, 1:06 AM

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Re: Features / Demos want [In reply to]

>Christopher Petrilli wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:51:18AM +0800, Kent Sin wrote:
>
>>
>> > 13. Multi-linguage management: use browser's lang perference to select
>> > language sent out, with auto menu generate in that lang and change lang
>> > menu auto gen. When a page is modified, list all pages need to modify in
>> > other languages. (some what like fontpage's task list?).
>>
>> This would be neat, but... this is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE task, and I've
>> never found a web site that does it "automatically", only thru selecting
>> seperate menu itenms. Make sense?
>
>Actually, Chris, I think the Debian Linux home page at www.debian.org does
>do auto language selection. I've never experienced it myself (being one
>of those nearly-mono-lingual Americans everyone like to trash) but I've
>heard it is automatic.
>
>Couldn't resist - set Netscape to prefer German (de), force-reloaded
>www.debian.org, and lo and behold, there's a bunch of unreadable Deutch
>on my screen! (well unreadable to _me_;-)
>
>Ross
>
That could be done through ZServer, most Mac Webservers (Web* and QPQ come
to mind) can set a preference to auto redirect for language specific sites.
The webmaster has to setup seperate root folders for each domain and
language, then the webserver uses the correct root folder based on the
browsers language preferance.

This would be relatively easy if (when ?) ZServer supported Vhosting.

DAve.
>
>>
>> Chris

"On the Plains of Hesitation bleach the bones of countless millions who, at
the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and waiting -- died"

kentsin at poboxes

Mar 7, 1999, 6:57 PM

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Re: Features / Demos want [In reply to]

Chris,

> This is trivial to do, or are you complaining that you just don't know
> how? One of the neat things is to look at the DTML behind zope.org. I
> use TinyTables to control the side-bars, but certainly you could do it
> in other ways.
Yes! I have check the zope / . I press on the DTML tag and got:

DTML Source for /


<h1></h1>

<h2>Welcome to the Zope Web Site.</h2>

NO. I do not see how you did it.

The point is that zope is aimed for programmer who somehow got insider
information somewhere. For a normal user, I do not think they can figure out
how to use it.

I hope there will be lots of information/demo codes that tell a new user all
the normal tricks they need to do. Of cause, I really love to see how you
make the menu.

> 3. News page generation. With automatic expire by designated date.

Same here.

> 4. Ad banner insertation and billing management.

Can you say political hotbutton :-)

> 9. Access to meta information inside the page: time-last-modify, author,
> last-visit-time, version, visit-counter, meta-tags.

> Well, here's the problem... what's a pagee? ;-) How do you decide "last
>modified" and author when a page can be constructed of objects that have
>dozens of other objects inside them? What's a "visit counter" in this
> context?

Well, I found out that many times when I read the list archive. However, for
me I think there are pages concept from the user(browser) point of view.
To name it. it either is a document, a folder, a method call which have a
url (unique?) on top of the browser. That url define a page to the user's
point of view. Since it is not static and can contain many objects which
means that we need to define some rules: For example, the author can just be
the user who update that object (the one invoked by the url). The last
update can be defined as the last update of that object or the last date all
objects involved in rendering this page (which may be hard to get) or
defined as an attribute which will be updated by the zope (when an object is
update).

> 10. Support Spiders
> What do you mean by this?

Since zope is dynamic, I guess that it does not work very well with spiders:
I heard from the list that it is not easy to generate all pages by using a
robot to travel it.

> 12. A better WYSIWYG authoring tool.

>On what platform? I don't own a Windows box, Mac and UNIX only... this
>will be fixed with WebDAV in my opinion, and it isn't the job of Zope to
>push it's own proprietary solution.

I know that Netscape communicator and frontpage express can be used for
publish pages to zope. However, under the current dtml syntax, I can not
modify them to insert zope code into the pages.

Rgs,

Kent Sin

bkc at murkworks

Mar 8, 1999, 6:59 AM

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Re: Features / Demos want [In reply to]

On 8 Mar 99, at 9:57, Sin Hang Kin wrote:

> Yes! I have check the zope / . I press on the DTML tag and got:
>
> DTML Source for /
>
> 
> <h1></h1>
>
> <h2>Welcome to the Zope Web Site.</h2>
>
>
> NO. I do not see how you did it.

Look at the URL you got when pressing View DHTML. You can then
modify the URL to view standard_html_header and stuff, just type it in..

Brad Clements, bkc [at] murkworks (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com ICQ: 14856937

mike at compar

Mar 8, 1999, 8:41 AM

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Re: Features / Demos want [In reply to]

On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Kent Sin wrote:

> 1. Auto (dynamic) Site map generation. A branch can be excluded by
> assigning a specific attribute to the folder.
> 2. Auto menu generation. Nodes with specific attribute on it. Can be
> horizontal or vertical. Just like in Zope's site.
> 3. News page generation. With automatic expire by designated date.
> 4. Ad banner insertation and billing management.
> 6. Expire pages by designated date. (will remove them from menu)
> 8. Personalize : like that on excite.
> 10. Support Spiders
> 12. A better WYSIWYG authoring tool.

I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes by saying so, but I'm thinking
these are things that are outside the scope of Zope and what DC is looking to
provide. Unless you pay them. I understand they're like trained seals where
money's involved. ;-)

However, they're GREAT "third-party opportunities" (to borrow from Be
lingo)! Thanks for the ideas! Feel free to send any other objects,
applications or tools you'd like to see directly to my personal mailbox. Or,
yeah, like, maybe the rest of the list would be interested, too...

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