Mailing List Archive by Gossamer Threads http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/ en-us (c) Gossamer Threads Inc. All rights reserved. 12 Feb 2012 11:55:05 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg ________________________________________________________________________ ANNOUNCEMENT mxODBC Zope Database Adapter 09 Feb 2012 07:17:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/232622 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (Apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope 01 Feb 2012 13:45:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/232544 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Overview ======== In response to the cross-site scripting vulnerability in Zope2 reported as 'CVE 2010 18 Jan 2012 14:30:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/232431 I'm pleased to announce a new release of Mailinglogger. Mailinglogger provides two handlers for the standard python logging framework that enable log 18 Jan 2012 00:48:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/232430 I'm pleased to announce a new release of Mailinglogger. Mailinglogger provides two handlers for the standard python logging framework that enable log 25 Nov 2011 00:14:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/232154 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Zope security response team, I would like to announce the availability of a hotfix for 24 Oct 2011 14:54:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231876 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Zope security response team is pre-announcing a fix for a vulnerability in Zope 2.12.x and Zope 2.1 28 Sep 2011 14:46:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231704 I'm pleased to announce a new release of Mailinglogger. Mailinglogger provides two handlers for the standard python logging framework that enable log 24 Sep 2011 02:27:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231663 Heh, of course, I forgot the setuptools-git extension to make "include_package_data=True" work, so this release was pretty useless, other than the d 22 Aug 2011 14:36:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231465 I'm pleased to announce a new release of Mailinglogger. Mailinglogger provides two handlers for the standard python logging framework that enable log 17 Aug 2011 23:37:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231442 Dear Zope Community, on behalf of the Zope Foundation I please to announce the relaunch of the new www.zope.org web site. http://www.zope.org The " 07 Jul 2011 04:58:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231235 Hi there, www.zope.org will be relaunched this Thursday. The current www.zope.org will be moved old.zope.org and replaced with the new site. During 04 Jul 2011 10:44:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231188 Last week, the Zope and Plone security teams announced the discovery of a serious security issue affecting all recent versions of Zope and Plone, as w 28 Jun 2011 08:30:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231125 This is an update on today's security hotfix release. The fix will be released at 15:00 UTC today, Tuesday 28th June, 2011 (11:00am US EDT.) Updated 28 Jun 2011 04:57:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231114 On behalf of the Plone and Zope Security Teams I'd like to draw your attention to a security announcement that has just been published. This is a pre 22 Jun 2011 10:06:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/231066 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have pushed out releases of PAS in order to address a potential security vulnerability reported by Al 30 May 2011 10:50:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/230906 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope 27 Jan 2011 14:32:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/230005 Hi, The Grok development team is happy to announce the Grok 1.3 release! Where the previous release was mostly about slimming down the dependency hi 20 Jan 2011 13:38:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/229969 21 December 2010 Infrae is pleased to announce the final release of Silva 2.3. This release contains a gamut of new features for users, system admi 22 Dec 2010 07:06:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/229802 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Great work! Cheers, Andreas Hanno Schlichting wrote: > On behalf of the Zope 2 developers community I 05 Nov 2010 09:47:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/229360 Hi, The Grok development team is happy to announce the Grok - also know as the Grok Toolkit - 1.2 release! This release took a huge effort from the 26 Oct 2010 12:36:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/229295 Hello. On behalf of the Zope Toolkit release team and the Zope community, I'm happy to announce the release of Zope Toolkit version 1.0! You can rea 13 Oct 2010 08:59:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/229172 Hi All, This is purely a bug fix release for problems I experienced when replacing local objects by absolute path. Installable from: http://pypi.py 06 Oct 2010 23:09:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/229095 Hi All, New release out, this one brings compatability with zc.recipe.rhrc... This package provides a buildout recipe for creating a Zope 2 instance 23 Sep 2010 01:10:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228918 Hi All, Another new release... Small fixes this time: - Add warning about "use relative paths" mode - Change default back to not using relative pa 22 Sep 2010 14:41:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228903 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of Zope developer community I am pleased to announce the release of Zope 2.10.12 and Zope 2.1 01 Sep 2010 11:31:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228700 Hi All, Rolling on with more releases :-) SimpleUserFolder is a scriptable, subclassable, fully documented and tested user folder implementation. T 26 Aug 2010 12:04:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228628 Hi All, I'm relieved(!) to announce the release of ZSyncer 1.0.0. This is the first release I've made and I hope no-one is upset about the work I'v 26 Aug 2010 03:06:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228621 Hi All, After quite a long break, I'm proud to announce a new release of MailTemplates. This new release brings shiny new Sphinx docs, compatibilit 21 Aug 2010 08:11:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228556 Hi All, I'm proud to announce the first release of Zope 2 Instance. This package provides a buildout recipe for creating a Zope 2 instance based ar 16 Aug 2010 14:21:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228479 I'm pleased to announce a new release of Mailinglogger. Mailinglogger provides two handlers for the standard python logging framework that enable log 10 Aug 2010 02:04:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228426 5 august 2010 â€' After a sneak preview at Europython, Infrae is pleased to announce the beta1 release of Silva 2.3. This release adds a slew of new 05 Aug 2010 08:40:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/228394 ====================== Zope 3.4.1 Released! ====================== June 22, 2010 - The Zope 3 development team announces the Zope 3.4.1 release. The 24 Jun 2010 11:25:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/227795 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Reminder: Today at 20:00 UTC (less than 12 hours from now) one of the Zope Foundation-maintained serve 27 May 2010 01:28:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/227499 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please note: First of all, apologies for the cross-posting. I wanted to reach as many people as possib 25 May 2010 02:43:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/227471 Grok 1.1 released! ================== Grok 1.1 is a feature release of Grok preparing for the Zope Toolkit. The major user visible change is Python 18 May 2010 12:24:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/227422 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Reminder: In about 3.5 hours one of the Zope Foundation-maintained servers will be physically moved to 10 May 2010 09:40:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/227368 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please note: First of all, apologies for the cross-posting. I wanted to reach as many people as possib 09 May 2010 03:28:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/227361 ________________________________________________________________________ ANNOUNCEMENT mxODBC Zope Database Adapter 23 Apr 2010 04:11:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/227068 31 march 2010 â€' Infrae is pleased to announce the final release of Silva 2.2. This release adds a slew of new features for users, developers, and sy 31 Mar 2010 06:11:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/226634 ________________________________________________________________________ ANNOUNCEMENT mxODBC Zope Database Adapter 24 Mar 2010 05:37:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/226462 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tres Seaver wrote: > > > > Procedure for Elections ----------------------- > > The procedure for the el 28 Jan 2010 06:10:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/225918 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope F 22 Jan 2010 09:16:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/225818 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In order to address a potential cross-site scripting problem in Zope's fallback error message, we are r 12 Jan 2010 19:23:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/225701 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Zope developers community I am pleased to announce the release of http://pypi.python 21 Dec 2009 23:39:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/225137 We are preasure to announce a new release of KMKey, named Makhno. You can get it from https://forge.osor.eu/projects/kmkey/ Knowledge Management Key 03 Dec 2009 09:43:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/224852 The Grok_ development team is very happy to release Grok 1.0. Grok 1.0 is the culmination of 3 years of work after the start of the Grok project in la 07 Oct 2009 12:15:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/224061 The Zope developers have ripped out the ZClasses functionality from the Zope core in version 2.12. As promised, I have collected the former code in a 03 Oct 2009 08:14:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/223989 On behalf of the Zope 2 developers community I am pleased to announce the official release of Zope 2.12.0. Major changes: - Ships with ZODB 3.9 - 30 Sep 2009 20:15:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/223955 I am pleased to announce the launch of a new website dedicated to the Zope 2 application server: zope2.zope.org This site gives th 30 Sep 2009 19:50:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/223954 Hi there, The Grok team is happy to announce the release of Grok 1.0b2. With Grok 1.0 we will deliver a stable, powerful, featureful framework for Py 17 Sep 2009 10:33:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/223788 A vulnerability has been found in the Zope Object Database (ZODB) Zope Enterprise Objects (ZEO) server implementation that allows any file readable by 01 Sep 2009 03:12:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/223562 Vulnerabilities have been found in the Zope Object Database (ZODB) Zope Enterprise Objects (ZEO) network protocol that allow: CVE-2009-0668 Arbitra 06 Aug 2009 05:01:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/223155 Hi there, the German-speaking Zope Users Group is having their annual Zope conference in September and participants registration just opened. This 28 Jul 2009 23:57:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/223053 The Neandertal Grok Sprint 2009 =============================== After a successful first Neandertal Grok Sprint in 2007 we are going to hold another 22 Jul 2009 00:42:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222975 Hi everyone, the German speaking Zope Users Group is having their traditional and annual Zope conference in September. (It's our 10th conference!) W 22 Jun 2009 08:34:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222693 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 19, 2009, at 19:01 , Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Are you sending receipt confirmations? I submit 19 Jun 2009 10:04:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222578 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, This is a last reminder for those current contributors to the Zope software repositories on 19 Jun 2009 05:25:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222569 I'm pleased to announce a new release of sx.translations. This release records the dates untranslated msgids were first seen. sx.translations provid 19 Jun 2009 01:42:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222571 I'm pleased to announce a new release of Mailinglogger. Mailinglogger provides two handlers for the standard python logging framework that enable log 19 Jun 2009 00:56:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222570 Hello everyone, on behalf of the `z3c.form` developers, I am proud to announce the next major release of `z3c.form` 2.0.0. `z3c.form` is a flexible, 13 Jun 2009 20:48:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222505 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Please exclude the mass-email, most of you will receive this more than once, we're hoping to 24 May 2009 05:18:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222235 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (Please forgive the crosspost, and follow up to me directly with questions, rather than CC'ing the list 20 May 2009 07:34:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/222184 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: > Hi all, > > on behalf of Zope developer community I am pleased to announce > the 02 May 2009 06:04:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/221805 Hi all, on behalf of Zope developer community I am pleased to announce the release of Zope 2.10.8 and Zope 2.11.3. You can find the sources and rele 02 May 2009 03:30:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/221801 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (Please forgive the crosspost, and follow up to me directly with questions, rather than CC'ing the list 24 Apr 2009 08:54:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/221599 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Zope community, I am pleased to announce the creation of the "Zope 4.0" project. Afte 01 Apr 2009 04:51:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/220697 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I sent an incorrect time for the Zope Foundation General Meeting earlier today, my apologies for any 17 Mar 2009 11:41:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/220423 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The results from the Zope Foundation Board of Directors election are in. The following candidates wil 17 Mar 2009 08:06:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/220414 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Zope developers community I am pleased to announce the first alpha release of Zope 2.1 27 Feb 2009 05:38:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/219568 January 29, 2009 - The Zope 3 development team announces the Zope 3.4.0 release. After 2 years of development, the Zope Foundation and the larger Zo 30 Jan 2009 23:33:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/218782 The Grok team is happy to announce the release of Grok 1.0a1. This is the first step on the way to the release of Grok 1.0! With Grok 1.0 we will deli 08 Jan 2009 13:10:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/218429 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 After a lot of hard work a special Zope Foundation membership meeting called for December 12, 2008 pa 17 Dec 2008 07:31:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/218253 Security issue in Grok: please upgrade! ======================================= December 12, 2008. The Grok team encountered a serious security issue 12 Dec 2008 08:20:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/218170 Localizer is a Zope product for developers and web masters. Localizer solves the problem of building multilingual products and web sites, ranging fro 03 Dec 2008 08:30:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/217980 Silva 2.2 alpha Released Infrae is pleased to announce the alpha release of Silva 2.2. This release adds a slew of new features for developers and 18 Nov 2008 09:39:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/217825 I'm pleased to announce a new release of Mailinglogger that finally correctly supports easy_install and so works fine with zc.buildout-based projects 09 Nov 2008 23:24:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/217696 I am pleased to announce new releases for Zope 2.8 to 2.11. Please check the release notes on the project pages for details. http://www.zope.org/Prod 25 Oct 2008 03:46:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/217495 First five.grok release The developers of five.grok are pleased to announce a 1.0a1 release. This is a milestone in the convergence of Zope 2 towar 24 Oct 2008 08:27:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/217483 The Grok team is happy to announce the release of Grok 0.14! This release is available on PyPI and a new index of specific versions of packages used 29 Sep 2008 11:08:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/217093 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.async =========== What is it? =========== The ``zc.async`` package provides **an easy-to-use Python tool that sched 21 Sep 2008 19:56:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/217018 A new version (V 1.1.0) of the hotfix has been released. It is available from the same location. The new version fixes a compatibility problem with Z 15 Aug 2008 07:05:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/216262 A hotfix for the Zope Security Advisory 2008-08-12 released yesterday is available from: <http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/Hotfix-2008-08-12/> See 13 Aug 2008 00:28:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/216224 Please pay attention to <http://www.zope.org/advisories/advisory-2008-08-12/> Andreas Jung Zope 2 Release Manager 12 Aug 2008 07:49:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/216205 Hi all, on behalf of Zope developer community I am pleased to announce the release of Zope 2.11.1. You can download the sources and the Windows vers 17 Jul 2008 10:11:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/215812 In this years summer of code, there are two related projects, Martin Lundwalls Component Registry Introspector, which I mentor, and Ulrich Fouquets Gr 15 Jul 2008 10:16:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/215743 Hi everyone, this is a quick reminder about the German Zope Conference in September. We're still open for talk and workshop proposals. You can regis 27 Jun 2008 13:33:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/215384 Hi everybody, The Grok team is happy to announce the release of Grok 0.13! This release is available on PyPI and a new index of specific versions o 23 Jun 2008 13:00:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/215295 Silva 2.1 alpha, plus Firefox 3 Compatibility Releases 21 june 2008 â€' Infrae announces an alpha release of Silva 2.1, plus three releases for Silva 22 Jun 2008 00:05:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/215278 Hi all, on behalf of Zope developer community I am pleased to announce the release of Zope 2.11.0. You can download the sources and the Windows vers 21 Jun 2008 00:05:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/215265 Jim Fulton wrote at 2008-6-11 15:18 -0400: > >On Jun 11, 2008, at 10:36 AM, rahul bhaskar wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am facing some problem with merging two 14 Jun 2008 12:06:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/215074 Philipp von Weitershausen (http://worldcookery.com/) will be providing a week of intensive training in Zope 3 component architecture at Penn State. * 13 Jun 2008 06:27:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/215048 The zope.org-related servers and services maintained by Zope Corporation will be moving to a new home late Thursday night Eastern Standard Time. 10 Jun 2008 23:22:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/214938 Infrae is pleased to announce the first public release of Silva Forum, an extension for Silva 2.x that provides a classic discussion forum environment 30 May 2008 09:54:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/214706 Hi there, If you want to submit a Zope-related talk for EuroPython, please do so very soon now! Let us have a good representation of Zope at EuroPyth 20 May 2008 10:37:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/214500 On behalf of Haufe Mediengruppe, Freiburg, Germany I am pleased to announce the BLACKFOREST SPRINT 2008 August 25-27th in Freiburg, Germany. The sp 13 May 2008 08:00:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/214417 On behalf of the Zope developers community I am pleased to announce the Zope 2.9.9 and 2.10.6 bugfix releases: Project pages: <http://www.zope.org/P 11 May 2008 01:01:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/214394 Hi everybody, The EuroPython talk submission deadline is fast approaching. Please considering submitting a talk again at EuroPython last year. Europe 06 May 2008 05:39:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/214289 Hi everybody, The Grok team is happy to announce the release of Grok 0.12! Grok is a web application framework built with Zope 3 technologies that 22 Apr 2008 09:36:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/214001 Hi there, I'm happy to announce that five student projects were accepted to the Google Summer of Code this year. It looked dark for a while with only 22 Apr 2008 04:31:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/announce/213995