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andrew at epstone

Jan 14, 2007, 2:03 AM

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Cascading protection

Hi all,



Brion's just enabled a feature of mine called "Cascading Protection". Simply
put, this automagically applies temporary full protection to any page
included on a page protected or semi-protected with the "cascading bit".
Brion has so far protected the Main Page of en.wikipedia with this feature,
which should eliminate main-page vandalism, except of images on commons;
which could be uploaded by a bot, protected manually, or protected on
commons. I would also strongly recommend protecting Main Page/Tomorrow, or
equivalent on other projects, but I lack the sysop bit to do it myself. Any
sysop is free to activate or deactivate this on a page that appears to
require it; within whatever decision-making processes exist on the target
wikis.



Please note that the edit and move tabs will appear as normal to save
performance, however a warning indicating where the cascading protection
comes from will appear when sysops try to edit, and an error will appear
when regular users try to edit these pages.



Take care,



Andrew Garrett

(werdna)


scs at eskimo

Jan 14, 2007, 5:54 AM

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Re: Cascading protection [In reply to]

Andrew Garrett wrote:
> Brion's just enabled a feature of mine called "Cascading Protection".
> Simply put, this automagically applies temporary full protection to any page
> included on a page protected or semi-protected with the "cascading bit".

Excellent! Well done.

However, there's been a debate brewing over whether a certain
bot could be given admin status, so that it could explicitly
apply protection to any page included by a given page. I believe
this bot was intended to address the same problem (i.e. main page
vandalism). Presumably that debate can now be called off,
as the bot is no longer needed?

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wikitech at rupertmillard

Jan 14, 2007, 6:06 AM

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Yes, the request was withdrawn.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ProtectionBot


Steve Summit wrote:
> Andrew Garrett wrote:
>> Brion's just enabled a feature of mine called "Cascading Protection".
>> Simply put, this automagically applies temporary full protection to any page
>> included on a page protected or semi-protected with the "cascading bit".
>
> Excellent! Well done.
>
> However, there's been a debate brewing over whether a certain
> bot could be given admin status, so that it could explicitly
> apply protection to any page included by a given page. I believe
> this bot was intended to address the same problem (i.e. main page
> vandalism). Presumably that debate can now be called off,
> as the bot is no longer needed?
>
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jepe at xs4all

Jan 14, 2007, 6:19 AM

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Re: Cascading protection [In reply to]

As you wrote it gives full protection to the included pages/templates,
independend from the protection level of the protected page. In my opinion it's
better to give the included pages the same protection level as the page you are
proctecting. Or make an option to adjust the protection level of the included
pages independend from the page you protect.

Hans (JePe)




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robchur at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 6:58 AM

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Re: Cascading protection [In reply to]

On 14/01/07, Steve Summit <scs [at] eskimo> wrote:
> However, there's been a debate brewing over whether a certain
> bot could be given admin status, so that it could explicitly
> apply protection to any page included by a given page. I believe
> this bot was intended to address the same problem (i.e. main page
> vandalism). Presumably that debate can now be called off,
> as the bot is no longer needed?

Heh, the bit he's not commenting on....Werdna disliked the bot on
principle, I think, and this partly boosted his work on the
functionality in question. So yes, the bot is more or less redundant.


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gmaxwell at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 8:52 AM

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Re: Cascading protection [In reply to]

On 1/14/07, Rob Church <robchur [at] gmail> wrote:
> On 14/01/07, Steve Summit <scs [at] eskimo> wrote:
> > However, there's been a debate brewing over whether a certain
> > bot could be given admin status, so that it could explicitly
> > apply protection to any page included by a given page. I believe
> > this bot was intended to address the same problem (i.e. main page
> > vandalism). Presumably that debate can now be called off,
> > as the bot is no longer needed?
>
> Heh, the bit he's not commenting on....Werdna disliked the bot on
> principle, I think, and this partly boosted his work on the
> functionality in question. So yes, the bot is more or less redundant.

It's a bit unfortunate.. the feature is too blunt. Now LOTS of
templates pages are protected because one of their many including
pages are protected. Since a lot of protections are there to dampen
content disputes and simplistic vandalism, this is unnecessary.

Should we instead just protect the entire template namespace?

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matthew.britton at btinternet

Jan 14, 2007, 9:44 AM

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Re: Cascading protection [In reply to]

Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>
> It's a bit unfortunate.. the feature is too blunt. Now LOTS of
> templates pages are protected because one of their many including
> pages are protected. Since a lot of protections are there to dampen
> content disputes and simplistic vandalism, this is unnecessary.
>
> Should we instead just protect the entire template namespace?
>

I don't quite follow your point here. Cascading protection is an
*optional* feature when protecting a page which as far as I know has so
far only been applied to the Main Page. Since all templates used on the
Main Page would have been protected anyway, I don't see how the number
of protected template pages has increased. Virtually all full and
semi-protections will continue to affect only the page to which they are
applied.

-Gurch

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gmaxwell at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 9:49 AM

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Re: Cascading protection [In reply to]

On 1/14/07, Gurch <matthew.britton [at] btinternet> wrote:
> I don't quite follow your point here. Cascading protection is an
> *optional* feature when protecting a page which as far as I know has so
> far only been applied to the Main Page. Since all templates used on the
> Main Page would have been protected anyway, I don't see how the number
> of protected template pages has increased. Virtually all full and
> semi-protections will continue to affect only the page to which they are
> applied.

Nerf.
I guess that's what I get for commenting before looking. :) It was
explained to me in an inaccurate way.
Sorry.

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Simetrical+wikitech at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 12:27 PM

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Re: Cascading protection [In reply to]

On 1/14/07, Andrew Garrett <andrew [at] epstone> wrote:
> I lack the sysop bit to do it myself.

Surely you mean "sysop row"? :P

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robchur at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 12:31 PM

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On 14/01/07, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikitech [at] gmail> wrote:
> On 1/14/07, Andrew Garrett <andrew [at] epstone> wrote:
> > I lack the sysop bit to do it myself.
>
> Surely you mean "sysop row"? :P

user_groups row, if we want to try to be clever and make crappy in-jokes.


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Simetrical+wikitech at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 12:34 PM

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On 1/14/07, Rob Church <robchur [at] gmail> wrote:
> user_groups row

Well, user_groups has sysop rows, and bureaucrat rows, and bot rows . . .

> if we want to try to be clever and make crappy in-jokes.

Is there any alternative? :D

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robchur at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 1:02 PM

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On 14/01/07, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikitech [at] gmail> wrote:
> Is there any alternative? :D

We could play minesweeper.

With a real minefield.

That would be entertaining.


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Simetrical+wikitech at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 1:18 PM

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On 1/14/07, Rob Church <robchur [at] gmail> wrote:
> We could play minesweeper.
>
> With a real minefield.
>
> That would be entertaining.

Be my guest!

http://www.goarmy.com/

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robchur at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 1:27 PM

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On 14/01/07, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikitech [at] gmail> wrote:
> Be my guest!
>
> http://www.goarmy.com/

It's likely not a unique cynical idea, but fifty points to anyone who
actually understood the obscure reference to the bizarre short
point-and-click adventure game...


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bdamokos at gmail

Jan 14, 2007, 3:06 PM

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Re: Cascading protection [In reply to]

Regardless of the mines, do you plan to have the cascading protection level
adjustable separately from the page-protection level? (The same way, you can
have separate edit and move protection if you want)

Bence

On 1/14/07, Rob Church <robchur [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> On 14/01/07, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikitech [at] gmail> wrote:
> > Be my guest!
> >
> > http://www.goarmy.com/
>
> It's likely not a unique cynical idea, but fifty points to anyone who
> actually understood the obscure reference to the bizarre short
> point-and-click adventure game...
>
>
> Rob Church
>
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