tylerromeo at gmail
Aug 22, 2012, 12:24 PM
Post #16 of 75
Ah, I thought it was the Lua extension (made sense to me at the time :P).
Thanks for pointing that out.
And not to be overly dismissive, but the idea that Tim needs to prove that
> en.wiki wants this feature is absurd. The template system on Wikipedia is
> BROKEN. It takes over 30 seconds for the parser to render large articles,
> and articles with a really large number of citation templates can't render
> at all, they simply error with a timeout. The only reason Lua/Scribunto was
> developed is because the en.wiki community has been vocally complaining
> about this problem FOR 3 YEARS. Check out
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19262 for example.
But there's a difference between an issue and a solution. Yes, the
templating system is broken, and I'm sure many an editor will confirm that,
but just because a system is broken does not mean Lua is automatically the
solution. To put it in other words: just because people want a better
templating system does not imply they want Lua. What discussion, if any,
has there been that WMF wikis want Lua as their templating replacement. As
said before, mediawiki.org is mostly developers, so there's no problem with
that, but with the op-ed on the Signpost, we should seriously question
whether the community wants this feature before randomly forcing it on
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:17 PM, bawolff <bawolff+wn [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari [at] wikimedia>
> > Hey Tyler,
> > Many of these issues have already been discussed on this mailing list.
> > Rob and Tim's emails from last week to start with. As explained in the
> > previous emails, the extension being deployed is Scribunto. Regarding
> > performance testing, Rob said this would be done once the extension was
> > deployed to mediawiki.org: "From there, we'll need some time figuring
> > the performance characteristics of this (making sure we're actually
> > out ahead) as well as converting some key templates over." Many of the
> > other questions are covered at
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto.
> > And not to be overly dismissive, but the idea that Tim needs to prove
> > en.wiki wants this feature is absurd. The template system on Wikipedia is
> > BROKEN. It takes over 30 seconds for the parser to render large articles,
> > and articles with a really large number of citation templates can't
> > at all, they simply error with a timeout. The only reason Lua/Scribunto
> > developed is because the en.wiki community has been vocally complaining
> > about this problem FOR 3 YEARS. Check out
> > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19262 for example.
> > Ryan Kaldari
> Furthermore, mediawiki.org is a community essentially owned by the
> developers, not to mention this
> feature is non-user facing. If people don't want to use it, they don't
> have to.
> I do believe consensus should be sought when enabling extensions like
> moodbar and what not on enwikipedia,
> but this is nothing like that situation.
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