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datzrott at alizeepathology

Aug 17, 2012, 11:03 AM

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Meta: Inproper Line Breaks

I get the feeling sometimes that either mailman or Outlook completely
ignores

where I am putting my line breaks and put them wherever it pleases.

The last email I sent I started a line with "> defended" which when I
received

the email from the list had instead "> community defended" with some rather

strange looking mid-sentence, nowhere close to 100 char, line breaks.

Do my emails look terrible to anyone else? Has anyone else had this problem

before? Do anyone know the solution?

I know that this sort of thing is usually out of scope on this list, but I
felt

it was appropriate here because if my emails look just as bad to all of you,

then it is probably terribly annoying.

Thank you,

Derric Atzrott

Computer Specialist

Alizee Pathology

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mtraceur at member

Aug 17, 2012, 11:05 AM

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Re: Meta: Inproper Line Breaks [In reply to]

> Do my emails look terrible to anyone else?

Yes! They do.

> Do anyone know the solution?

My first instinct is "don't use Outlook", but I'm guessing you have some
reason you "need" to. In that case, I'm sure there's some manual on
Outlook, or some other user group, that has the solution....

Maybe you have HTML emails turned on by default, and mailman is trashing
your line breaks because they're HTML <br> tags or something crazy like
that. Try turning off HTML composition, and see if that's helpful.

Cheers,

--
Mark Holmquist
Contractor, Wikimedia Foundation
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datzrott at alizeepathology

Aug 17, 2012, 11:12 AM

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Re: Meta: Inproper Line Breaks [In reply to]

> > Do my emails look terrible to anyone else?
>
>Yes! They do.
>
> > Do anyone know the solution?
>
> My first instinct is "don't use Outlook", but I'm guessing you have some
> reason you "need" to. In that case, I'm sure there's some manual on
Outlook,
> or some other user group, that has the solution....
>
> Maybe you have HTML emails turned on by default, and mailman is trashing
your
> line breaks because they're HTML <br> tags or something crazy like that.
Try
> turning off HTML composition, and see if that's helpful.

It is what I use when I am at work. I honestly have no real reason for
using
it other than that it is what the rest of the company uses so I have to make
sure that I know it well being their IT guy.

Oddly enough, I actually have HTML turned off. These should be just plain
text
messages. I'll Google around and do some searching for a solution, I just
needed to make sure it wasn't Outlook trashing the emails on my end when
they
came in and that they indeed look terrible for all of you as well.

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott

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Platonides at gmail

Aug 17, 2012, 2:00 PM

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Re: Meta: Inproper Line Breaks [In reply to]

On 17/08/12 20:12, Derric Atzrott wrote:
>>> Do my emails look terrible to anyone else?
>>
>> Yes! They do.
>>
>>> Do anyone know the solution?
>>
>> My first instinct is "don't use Outlook", but I'm guessing you have some
>> reason you "need" to. In that case, I'm sure there's some manual on
> Outlook,
>> or some other user group, that has the solution....
>>
>> Maybe you have HTML emails turned on by default, and mailman is trashing
> your
>> line breaks because they're HTML <br> tags or something crazy like that.
> Try
>> turning off HTML composition, and see if that's helpful.
>
> It is what I use when I am at work. I honestly have no real reason for
> using
> it other than that it is what the rest of the company uses so I have to make
> sure that I know it well being their IT guy.
>
> Oddly enough, I actually have HTML turned off. These should be just plain
> text
> messages. I'll Google around and do some searching for a solution, I just
> needed to make sure it wasn't Outlook trashing the emails on my end when
> they
> came in and that they indeed look terrible for all of you as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Derric Atzrott

You seem to be writing the messages for cutting at 80 characters per
line, but be actually sent cutting at 74 or so. The first are treated
as hard breaks, so there are two breaks, one at 74 characters and
another one at what would have been 80, thus producing lonely words.

I also suspect of Outlook for causing hthis, but know little on how to
fix. See if you have some option to reduce the line length.
Usage of flowed text can also help.

Regards

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dzahn at wikimedia

Aug 17, 2012, 4:41 PM

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Re: Meta: Inproper Line Breaks [In reply to]

This may help:

http://www.fix-outlook-line-breaks.com/

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datzrott at alizeepathology

Aug 20, 2012, 11:36 AM

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Re: Meta: Inproper Line Breaks [In reply to]

>This may help:
>
>http://www.fix-outlook-line-breaks.com/

Not quite my issue as I don't have HTML emails turned on.

>You seem to be writing the messages for cutting at 80 characters per line,
but be actually sent cutting at 74 or so. The first are treated as hard
breaks, so there are two breaks, one at 74 characters and another one at
what would have been 80, thus producing lonely words.
>
>I also suspect of Outlook for causing hthis, but know little on how to fix.
See if you have some option to reduce the line length.

I agree that this seems to be an Outlook issue. If I don't hand break my
lines, Outlook does it for me it seems (see the last message I posted for an
example). I'll count how many characters it breaks at and break there by
hand in the future so that I continue to get > at the beginning of all
quoted lines.

Hopefully that works.

Thank you all for your help in diagnosing this rather annoying issue.

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott

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jeremy at tuxmachine

Aug 20, 2012, 11:40 AM

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Re: Meta: Inproper Line Breaks [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Derric Atzrott
<datzrott [at] alizeepathology> wrote:
>>This may help:
>>
>>http://www.fix-outlook-line-breaks.com/
>
> Not quite my issue as I don't have HTML emails turned on.
>
>>You seem to be writing the messages for cutting at 80 characters per line,
> but be actually sent cutting at 74 or so. The first are treated as hard
> breaks, so there are two breaks, one at 74 characters and another one at
> what would have been 80, thus producing lonely words.
>>
>>I also suspect of Outlook for causing hthis, but know little on how to fix.
> See if you have some option to reduce the line length.
>
> I agree that this seems to be an Outlook issue. If I don't hand break my
> lines, Outlook does it for me it seems (see the last message I posted for an
> example). I'll count how many characters it breaks at and break there by
> hand in the future so that I continue to get > at the beginning of all
> quoted lines.

Or install vim, copy from outlook to vim, :set tw=70, use `gqq` as
needed, copy back.

-Jeremy

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strainu10 at gmail

Aug 24, 2012, 5:23 AM

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2012/8/17 Derric Atzrott <datzrott [at] alizeepathology>:
> I get the feeling sometimes that either mailman or Outlook completely
> ignores
>
> where I am putting my line breaks and put them wherever it pleases.

Do you introduce line-breaks manually except when passing to a new
paragraph? If so, the solution is simple: don't do that. Outlook will
automatically cut the line to a certain number of characters,
configurable from File->Options->Mail->Message Format. If you really
want to control your message, you can set that to a very high value
(like 150 or something).

Strainu

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datzrott at alizeepathology

Aug 24, 2012, 5:34 AM

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Re: Meta: Inproper Line Breaks [In reply to]

>> I get the feeling sometimes that either mailman or Outlook completely
>> ignores
>>
>> where I am putting my line breaks and put them wherever it pleases.
>
>Do you introduce line-breaks manually except when passing to a new
>paragraph? If so, the solution is simple: don't do that. Outlook will
>automatically cut the line to a certain number of characters,
>configurable from File->Options->Mail->Message Format. If you really want
>to control your message, you can set that to a very high value (like
>150 or something).
>
>Strainu

Yes. I've been manually introducing my line breaks. I was doing it at
80 characters, now I am doing it at 74. I always have a text editor
open so it isn't too much work for me to just type my message in there
and use the verticle line I have placed at 80 or 74 characters, depending
on what I am doing.

The other reason I manually format my messages though is that I really
hate all of the junk Outlook puts into a message when you reply. I
much prefer the clean kind of look that these messages have.

Definitely will be chaning that option. Then I can have my text editor
set at 80 all the time.

Thank you,
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strainu10 at gmail

Aug 24, 2012, 5:46 AM

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2012/8/24 Derric Atzrott <datzrott [at] alizeepathology>:
> The other reason I manually format my messages though is that I really
> hate all of the junk Outlook puts into a message when you reply. I
> much prefer the clean kind of look that these messages have.

I'm not sure what you mean by "all of the junk", but you might want to
carefully read all the options from the "Mail" tab. It took me about
an hour, but right now my outlook emails are identical with the
default Gmail configuration.

Strainu

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datzrott at alizeepathology

Aug 24, 2012, 5:50 AM

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Re: Meta: Inproper Line Breaks [In reply to]

This junk.

Definitely going to peruse through those options though.

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott

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2012/8/24 Derric Atzrott <datzrott [at] alizeepathology>:
> The other reason I manually format my messages though is that I really
> hate all of the junk Outlook puts into a message when you reply. I
> much prefer the clean kind of look that these messages have.

I'm not sure what you mean by "all of the junk", but you might want to
carefully read all the options from the "Mail" tab. It took me about
an hour, but right now my outlook emails are identical with the
default Gmail configuration.

Strainu

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