denny.vrandecic at wikimedia
May 9, 2012, 6:31 AM
Post #5 of 5
Thanks, the conversation indeed helped me!
2012/5/9 Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) <smazeland [at] wikimedia>
> Hi Denny,
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Denny Vrandečić
> <denny.vrandecic [at] wikimedia> wrote:
> > (Siebrand, I am unsure if this will arrive at mediawiki-i18n, feel free
> > forward it you consider it interesting to them).
> It does after the list admin approves it, but you may just want to
> > OK, I've written a few lines of Python  which actually helped me
> > my questions. Sorry to bother.
> > And the answers are yes, yes, no, but close, and i hope so.
> No problem. We like people answering their own question. More time for
> us to do other things :).
> > There are a small number of wikis which use a different language code
> > their site code is, namely:
> > crh -> crh-latn
> > als -> gsw
> > be-x-old -> be-tarask
> > roa-rup -> rup
> > simple -> en
> There are a few more, actually. See includes/DefaultSettings.php,
> > But, at the same time, the given *site* codes exist as *language* codes
> > well, i.e. the languages/messages files exist for them, but they just
> > fallback to the given language code (i.e. MessagesAls.php just names gsw
> > a fallback).
> That's an issue with the Wikimedia setup, I guess. If the language
> code could be different from the subdomain name, that is what should
> be done. It's probably not as simple as it looks. See next item.
> > I would not be surprised if each of these five examples would have an
> > anecdote to explain why they are the way they are :)
> That, and a past in which there was less attention for trying to stick
> to a particular standard. Doesn't really matter, we're stuck with it
> for now, and should try to not make it worse, and fix it on the long
> run. For the 5+ years that I'm involved in MediaWiki development,
> there have been requests to rename wikis to more appropriate subdomain
> names, but for some reason, no progress has been made on it yet. These
> 10+ requests are tracked in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19986.
> > P.S.: There is one thing I do not understand though. According
> > to https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo the
> > language of simple.wp is "en", but MessagesSimple.php seems to be taken
> > account (instead of "edit" it has "change" in the UI, one of only two
> > changes in MessagesSimple to MessagesEn).
> Thanks for mentioning. That shouldn't have been there. Fixed in
> > So it seems that the language is
> > "simple" -- why does it say "en" in the siteinfo?
> Because it *is* English. It just should be English with a reduced
> vocabulary. There have been many debates in the past over its
> usefulness, and if possibly other languages should also get a simple
> vocabulary Wikimedia project (and subdomain). This is just for
> reference, please do not comment on this in this thread, but start a
> new one if you'd wish to discuss simple language versions.
> Not sure if this made your insight clearer, but at least I hope I was
> able to add some details :).
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