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rlane32 at gmail

Oct 3, 2011, 9:26 AM

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Native HTTPS support live on all projects

I'm happy to announce we've added native HTTPS support to all of the
projects. See the blog post for more information:

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/

If you find any bugs, please report in bugzilla.

- Ryan Lane

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Oct 3, 2011, 9:52 AM

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On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Ryan Lane <rlane32 [at] gmail> wrote:
>  http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/

We're announcing HTTPS support but why isn't this link pointing to
https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?

-Liangent

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erik at wikimedia

Oct 3, 2011, 9:57 AM

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Ryan Lane <rlane32 [at] gmail> wrote:
> I'm happy to announce we've added native HTTPS support to all of the
> projects. See the blog post for more information:

Huge props to everyone involved in making this happen. It's been a
long time coming, and it's fantastic to see it live. :-)
--
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Oct 3, 2011, 10:27 AM

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* Liangent wrote:
>On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Ryan Lane <rlane32 [at] gmail> wrote:
>>  http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/
>
>We're announcing HTTPS support but why isn't this link pointing to
>https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?

A good reason would be that loading that resulsts in a certificate error
as edge.quantserve.com's certificate is for various akamai hosts only. I
do not know why edge.quantserve.com is loaded from; the blog's privacy
policy might explain that.
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Oct 3, 2011, 10:36 AM

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Great news, excellent work! Are there any plans to 'translate' diff links or
history links to their secure counterparts?
Op 3 okt. 2011 19:27 schreef "Bjoern Hoehrmann" <derhoermi [at] gmx> het
volgende:
> * Liangent wrote:
>>On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Ryan Lane <rlane32 [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/
>>
>>We're announcing HTTPS support but why isn't this link pointing to
>>https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?
>
> A good reason would be that loading that resulsts in a certificate error
> as edge.quantserve.com's certificate is for various akamai hosts only. I
> do not know why edge.quantserve.com is loaded from; the blog's privacy
> policy might explain that.
> --
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> Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de
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roan.kattouw at gmail

Oct 3, 2011, 10:51 AM

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Martijn Hoekstra
<martijnhoekstra [at] gmail> wrote:
> Great news, excellent work! Are there any plans to 'translate' diff links or
> history links to their secure counterparts?
Which diff/hist links, where, exactly? Most of them should have been
taken care of automagically.

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rlane32 at gmail

Oct 3, 2011, 11:06 AM

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> We're announcing HTTPS support but why isn't this link pointing to
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?
>

I know this is a troll, but I'm going to answer it seriously. We are
supporting https, but we aren't doing https only. We don't have plans
for only doing https. You are welcome to take the link and change it
to https. It'll work.

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hashar+wmf at free

Oct 3, 2011, 12:13 PM

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On 03/10/11 18:26, Ryan Lane wrote:
> I'm happy to announce we've added native HTTPS support to all of the
> projects. See the blog post for more information:
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/
>
> If you find any bugs, please report in bugzilla.

Congratulations!

Can you possible enable $wgSecureLogin on all wiki? The feature let you
login under HTTPS when you are come from HTTP.


Man page:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSecureLogin

Revisions:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/75585

Thx :-)

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brion at pobox

Oct 3, 2011, 1:18 PM

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Ashar Voultoiz <hashar+wmf [at] free> wrote:

> Can you possible enable $wgSecureLogin on all wiki? The feature let you
> login under HTTPS when you are come from HTTP.
>
> Man page:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSecureLogin
>
> Revisions:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/75585
>

Hmm, this seems to indicate it will return you to http: after
authenticating; this is an unsafe practice which I would recommend strongly
against.

If you log in on HTTPS, we want to make sure that no session data (eg login
cookies) can leak to HTTP -- where someone on your wireless network could
hijack your session, delete a thousand pages on Wikipedia, and get your
account locked out.


Note also that there appear to still be issues with native SSL when there
are multiple subdomain levels, eg <
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29896#c4> so we're not in a
hurry to point everybody at those https: links until some further shakedown
and fixes. :)

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brion at pobox

Oct 3, 2011, 1:21 PM

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra [at] gmail
> wrote:

> Great news, excellent work! Are there any plans to 'translate' diff links
> or
> history links to their secure counterparts?
>

Redirects will be put in place when the old proxy is retired:
"What will happen to secure.wikimedia.org?
Links pointing to secure.wikimedia.org will continue to work. The plan is to
make URLs on secure.wikimedia.org redirect to the proper HTTPS URLs.
secure.wikimedia.org will no longer act as a proxy for the sites."

So for example this diff link:

<
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/w/index.php?title=Extension:TableEdit2&curid=69453&diff=440749&oldid=440700
>

will in future automatically redirect you to the new URL:

<
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:TableEdit2&curid=69453&diff=440749&oldid=440700
>

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happy.melon.wiki at gmail

Oct 3, 2011, 2:18 PM

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On 3 October 2011 21:18, Brion Vibber <brion [at] pobox> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Ashar Voultoiz <hashar+wmf [at] free>
> wrote:
>
> > Can you possible enable $wgSecureLogin on all wiki? The feature let you
> > login under HTTPS when you are come from HTTP.
> >
> > Man page:
> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSecureLogin
> >
> > Revisions:
> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/75585
> >
>
> Hmm, this seems to indicate it will return you to http: after
> authenticating; this is an unsafe practice which I would recommend strongly
> against.
>
> If you log in on HTTPS, we want to make sure that no session data (eg login
> cookies) can leak to HTTP -- where someone on your wireless network could
> hijack your session, delete a thousand pages on Wikipedia, and get your
> account locked out.
>

The $wgSecureLogin thing was and is a treatment to a symptom of the problem,
not its cause. Once the bugs brion mentions are worked through, we should
be encouraging all logged-in users to go to, and stay with, SSL. What
$wgSecureLogin should do is prompt all visits to Special:UserLogin to be
redirected to https, and *not* send them back.

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sumanah at wikimedia

Oct 4, 2011, 4:50 AM

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On 10/03/2011 12:26 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
> I'm happy to announce we've added native HTTPS support to all of the
> projects. See the blog post for more information:
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/
>
> If you find any bugs, please report in bugzilla.
>
> - Ryan Lane

I am going to be so superlatively happy when the new HTTPS Everywhere
rulesets exist and propagate and I have lithe compact URIs in my address
bar to paste into emails. Thanks to everyone who worked on this.

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Volunteer Development Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation

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william.allen.simpson at gmail

Oct 8, 2011, 2:38 AM

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On 10/4/11 7:50 AM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
> On 10/03/2011 12:26 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
>> I'm happy to announce we've added native HTTPS support to all of the
>> projects. See the blog post for more information:
>>
>> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/
>>
>> If you find any bugs, please report in bugzilla.
>>
>> - Ryan Lane
>
> I am going to be so superlatively happy when the new HTTPS Everywhere
> rulesets exist and propagate and I have lithe compact URIs in my address
> bar to paste into emails. Thanks to everyone who worked on this.
>
As an early proponent (going back many years), I'd like to express my
thanks for this work!

After the delays for even simple wikipedia access that I've reported in a
number of longstanding bugs that are being closed, thanks again!

As a user of HTTPS Everywhere ever since it was announced, I look forward
to the improved rulesets.

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roan.kattouw at gmail

Oct 8, 2011, 3:58 AM

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On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:38 AM, William Allen Simpson
<william.allen.simpson [at] gmail> wrote:
> As a user of HTTPS Everywhere ever since it was announced, I look forward
> to the improved rulesets.
>
Apparently, my ruleset is already included in the development version
of HTTPSEverywhere. That is to say, I got a bug report from someone
who installed the development build and hit a bug in my ruleset
(missing exception for a .wikimedia.org domain that doesn't support
HTTPS). I was kind of surprised the ruleset had been included because
I did say it was experimental, but I guess it's fine since it's the
development build :) .

I have asked Ryan to provide a list of all .wikimedia.org domains that
do not support HTTPS, so I can complete the exclusion list in a
systematic way (rather than by trial and error in my own browser).
When that's happened, I believe we can declare the ruleset to be
stable and ask the HE folks to ship it.

Roan

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shizhao at gmail

Oct 8, 2011, 5:20 PM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org not support....

Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/
My blog: http://shizhao.org
twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao

[[zh:User:Shizhao]]



2011/10/4 Liangent <liangent [at] gmail>

> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Ryan Lane <rlane32 [at] gmail> wrote:
> >
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/
>
> We're announcing HTTPS support but why isn't this link pointing to
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?
>
> -Liangent
>
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roan.kattouw at gmail

Oct 8, 2011, 9:38 PM

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On 10/9/11, shi zhao <shizhao [at] gmail> wrote:
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org not support....
>
This is a known issue, see
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31333 .

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brion at pobox

Nov 3, 2011, 2:35 PM

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On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:38 AM, William Allen Simpson
> <william.allen.simpson [at] gmail> wrote:
> > As a user of HTTPS Everywhere ever since it was announced, I look forward
> > to the improved rulesets.
> >
> Apparently, my ruleset is already included in the development version
> of HTTPSEverywhere. That is to say, I got a bug report from someone
> who installed the development build and hit a bug in my ruleset
> (missing exception for a .wikimedia.org domain that doesn't support
> HTTPS). I was kind of surprised the ruleset had been included because
> I did say it was experimental, but I guess it's fine since it's the
> development build :) .
>
> I have asked Ryan to provide a list of all .wikimedia.org domains that
> do not support HTTPS, so I can complete the exclusion list in a
> systematic way (rather than by trial and error in my own browser).
> When that's happened, I believe we can declare the ruleset to be
> stable and ask the HE folks to ship it.
>

Any update on this?

I just did a fresh install of HTTPS Everywhere and it's still using the
https://secure.wikimedia.org/ rules.

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Nov 3, 2011, 2:41 PM

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On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:35:47 -0700, Brion Vibber <brion [at] pobox> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:38 AM, William Allen Simpson
>> <william.allen.simpson [at] gmail> wrote:
>> > As a user of HTTPS Everywhere ever since it was announced, I look
>> forward
>> > to the improved rulesets.
>> >
>> Apparently, my ruleset is already included in the development version
>> of HTTPSEverywhere. That is to say, I got a bug report from someone
>> who installed the development build and hit a bug in my ruleset
>> (missing exception for a .wikimedia.org domain that doesn't support
>> HTTPS). I was kind of surprised the ruleset had been included because
>> I did say it was experimental, but I guess it's fine since it's the
>> development build :) .
>>
>> I have asked Ryan to provide a list of all .wikimedia.org domains that
>> do not support HTTPS, so I can complete the exclusion list in a
>> systematic way (rather than by trial and error in my own browser).
>> When that's happened, I believe we can declare the ruleset to be
>> stable and ask the HE folks to ship it.
>>
>
> Any update on this?
>
> I just did a fresh install of HTTPS Everywhere and it's still using the
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/ rules.
>
> -- brion

HTTPS Everyehwere's release period is slow... incredibly slow.

It took ages for the mediawiki.org rules that were already ready and in
their repo to finally be released.
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Nov 3, 2011, 2:43 PM

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Daniel Friesen <lists [at] nadir-seen-fire>wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:35:47 -0700, Brion Vibber <brion [at] pobox> wrote:
> > Any update on this?
> >
> > I just did a fresh install of HTTPS Everywhere and it's still using the
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/ rules.
>
> HTTPS Everyehwere's release period is slow... incredibly slow.
>
> It took ages for the mediawiki.org rules that were already ready and in
> their repo to finally be released.
>

Fair enough. :D

I can confirm the development version of the ext has the updated https://*.
wikipedia.org/ rules (but have the issues with all domains been worked out
yet there?)

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roan.kattouw at gmail

Nov 3, 2011, 2:47 PM

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Brion Vibber <brion [at] pobox> wrote:
> I can confirm the development version of the ext has the updated https://*.
> wikipedia.org/ rules (but have the issues with all domains been worked out
> yet there?)
>
Not really. I've been asking for a list of all non-HTTPS-enabled .wm.o
domains so I can complete the exemptions list, but it hasn't been
produced so far.

Roan

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Nov 3, 2011, 4:02 PM

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On 03/11/11 22:47, Roan Kattouw wrote:
> Not really. I've been asking for a list of all non-HTTPS-enabled .wm.o
> domains so I can complete the exemptions list, but it hasn't been
> produced so far.

Maybe it will be 'easier' to convert those domains to HTTPS? :-)

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roan.kattouw at gmail

Nov 4, 2011, 5:09 AM

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On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf [at] free> wrote:
> On 03/11/11 22:47, Roan Kattouw wrote:
>> Not really. I've been asking for a list of all non-HTTPS-enabled .wm.o
>> domains so I can complete the exemptions list, but it hasn't been
>> produced so far.
>
> Maybe it will be 'easier' to convert those domains to HTTPS? :-)
>
For domains where it should be easy, I've filed RT tickets. Some
domains already have HTTPS but are simply serving the cert for another
domain that lives on the same box.

Roan

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william.allen.simpson at gmail

Nov 14, 2011, 7:51 PM

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On 11/3/11 5:43 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Daniel Friesen<lists [at] nadir-seen-fire>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:35:47 -0700, Brion Vibber<brion [at] pobox> wrote:
>>> Any update on this?
>>>
>>> I just did a fresh install of HTTPS Everywhere and it's still using the
>>> https://secure.wikimedia.org/ rules.
>>
>> HTTPS Everyehwere's release period is slow... incredibly slow.
>>
>> It took ages for the mediawiki.org rules that were already ready and in
>> their repo to finally be released.
>>
>
> Fair enough. :D
>
> I can confirm the development version of the ext has the updated https://*.
> wikipedia.org/ rules (but have the issues with all domains been worked out
> yet there?)
>
HTTPS-Everywhere 1.2 is out today, with the new rules. Seems to work well.

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Nov 15, 2011, 1:40 AM

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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:51 AM, William Allen Simpson
<william.allen.simpson [at] gmail> wrote:
> HTTPS-Everywhere 1.2 is out today, with the new rules.  Seems to work well.
>
Yay! I'll have to check if this includes the latest version of my rule
set, but it's good news regardless.

Roan

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