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palnatoke at gmail

Feb 9, 2011, 12:50 PM

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Fwd: Gender preference

Perhaps this list is a better place for this question (got no answer
on gendergap list):

On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences, you can specify a
gender. Do we collect these data?

-Ole

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brion at pobox

Feb 9, 2011, 1:05 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen <palnatoke [at] gmail
> wrote:

> Perhaps this list is a better place for this question (got no answer
> on gendergap list):
>
> On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences, you can specify a
> gender. Do we collect these data?
>

Preferences are stored in the database, so... yes?

The gender preference is for grammatical purposes in user-interface
messages, and defaults to a neutral form.

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palnatoke at gmail

Feb 9, 2011, 1:13 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Brion Vibber <brion [at] pobox> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen <palnatoke [at] gmail
>> wrote:
...
>> On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences, you can specify a
>> gender. Do we collect these data?
>>
>
> Preferences are stored in the database, so... yes?

Thanks :-)

Are the numbers available on a per-wiki basis, so we can point to them
and say "so-and-so many percent of our users self-identify as male,
female, and none-of-your-business, respectively"?

-Ole

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Feb 9, 2011, 1:36 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

2011/2/9 Ole Palnatoke Andersen <palnatoke [at] gmail>:
> Are the numbers available on a per-wiki basis, so we can point to them
> and say "so-and-so many percent of our users self-identify as male,
> female, and none-of-your-business, respectively"?
>
They're available to sysadmins only, because preferences are private
data. Aggregate data about preferences is not currently published in
an automated fashion.

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bharris at wikimedia

Feb 9, 2011, 1:38 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

On 2/9/11 1:36 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:

> They're available to sysadmins only, because preferences are private
> data. Aggregate data about preferences is not currently published in
> an automated fashion.

Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
little data to work with on the gender gap list?

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Feb 9, 2011, 1:41 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Brandon Harris <bharris [at] wikimedia> wrote:
>
> On 2/9/11 1:36 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
>
>> They're available to sysadmins only, because preferences are private
>> data. Aggregate data about preferences is not currently published in
>> an automated fashion.
>
>        Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
> little data to work with on the gender gap list?
>

A general dump of preference usage across all wikis
would be generally useful.

-Chad

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Feb 9, 2011, 1:46 PM

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On 11-02-09 01:41 PM, Chad wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Brandon Harris<bharris [at] wikimedia> wrote:
>> On 2/9/11 1:36 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
>>
>>> They're available to sysadmins only, because preferences are private
>>> data. Aggregate data about preferences is not currently published in
>>> an automated fashion.
>> Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
>> little data to work with on the gender gap list?
>>
> A general dump of preference usage across all wikis
> would be generally useful.
>
> -Chad
I could use some fact based information on how many people are actually
using individual skins myself.

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diebuche at gmail

Feb 9, 2011, 1:52 PM

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Re: Gender preference [In reply to]

See

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserOptionStats
and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25302

DieBuche
On Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2011 at 22:46, Daniel Friesen wrote:
On 11-02-09 01:41 PM, Chad wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Brandon Harris<bharris [at] wikimedia> wrote:
> > > On 2/9/11 1:36 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
> > >
> > > > They're available to sysadmins only, because preferences are private
> > > > data. Aggregate data about preferences is not currently published in
> > > > an automated fashion.
> > > Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
> > > little data to work with on the gender gap list?
> > A general dump of preference usage across all wikis
> > would be generally useful.
> >
> > -Chad
> I could use some fact based information on how many people are actually
> using individual skins myself.
>
> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]
>
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roan.kattouw at gmail

Feb 9, 2011, 2:06 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

2011/2/9 Brandon Harris <bharris [at] wikimedia>:
> Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
> little data to work with on the gender gap list?
>
I will run a query for you in the morning.

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bdamokos at gmail

Feb 9, 2011, 2:09 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail>wrote:

> 2011/2/9 Ole Palnatoke Andersen <palnatoke [at] gmail>:
> > Are the numbers available on a per-wiki basis, so we can point to them
> > and say "so-and-so many percent of our users self-identify as male,
> > female, and none-of-your-business, respectively"?
> >
> They're available to sysadmins only, because preferences are private
> data. Aggregate data about preferences is not currently published in
> an automated fashion.
>
> The gender preference is actually marked as public in the preferences page
already so it shouldn't be a violation of expectations to publish aggregate
data.

Best regards,
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bharris at wikimedia

Feb 9, 2011, 2:09 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

You're the man, my friend.


On 2/9/11 2:06 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
> 2011/2/9 Brandon Harris<bharris [at] wikimedia>:
>> Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
>> little data to work with on the gender gap list?
>>
> I will run a query for you in the morning.
>
> Roan Kattouw (Catrope)
>
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Feb 9, 2011, 2:14 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen
<palnatoke [at] gmail> wrote:
> Are the numbers available on a per-wiki basis, so we can point to them
> and say "so-and-so many percent of our users self-identify as male,
> female, and none-of-your-business, respectively"?

I don't think the numbers would even tell you that. Users are not
prompted for their gender, so "Unspecified" might mean a user saw the
field and chose not to select anything, or it might just mean they
never checked their preferences (as is likely the case for the vast
majority of users).

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WP at daniel

Feb 9, 2011, 2:18 PM

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Hello,
Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 22:38:20 schrieb Brandon Harris:
> Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
> little data to work with on the gender gap list?

sure. I asked the toolserver-database:

en.wikipedia:
Male: 233312
Femaile: 46973
All user: 13959842

de.wikipedia:
Male: 35726
Female: 4800
All user: 1167708

fr.wikipedia:
Male: 18556
Female: 3054
All user: 998668

commons:
Male: 27980
Female: 5070
All user: 1464442

Say if you need more data.

Sincerly,
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petr.kadlec at gmail

Feb 9, 2011, 2:21 PM

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On 9 February 2011 23:09, Bence Damokos <bdamokos [at] gmail> wrote:
>> The gender preference is actually marked as public in the preferences page
> already so it shouldn't be a violation of expectations to publish aggregate
> data.

Because it actually _is_ completely public, without any aggregation.
Ask {{gender:Catrope|male|female|unknown}} on a page, and you’ll get
the answer, no privacy there.

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bharris at wikimedia

Feb 9, 2011, 2:22 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

Awesome! Thanks!

On 2/9/11 2:18 PM, DaB. wrote:
> Hello,
> Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 22:38:20 schrieb Brandon Harris:
>> Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
>> little data to work with on the gender gap list?
>
> sure. I asked the toolserver-database:
>
> en.wikipedia:
> Male: 233312
> Femaile: 46973
> All user: 13959842
>
> de.wikipedia:
> Male: 35726
> Female: 4800
> All user: 1167708
>
> fr.wikipedia:
> Male: 18556
> Female: 3054
> All user: 998668
>
> commons:
> Male: 27980
> Female: 5070
> All user: 1464442
>
> Say if you need more data.
>
> Sincerly,
> DaB.
>
>
>
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Feb 9, 2011, 2:36 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

Hoi,
I would be interested in learning sr and ru. I understand that for these
languages the gender actually matters in the presentation in the user
interface.
Thanks,
GerardM

On 9 February 2011 23:18, DaB. <WP [at] daniel> wrote:

> Hello,
> Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 22:38:20 schrieb Brandon Harris:
> > Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
> > little data to work with on the gender gap list?
>
> sure. I asked the toolserver-database:
>
> en.wikipedia:
> Male: 233312
> Femaile: 46973
> All user: 13959842
>
> de.wikipedia:
> Male: 35726
> Female: 4800
> All user: 1167708
>
> fr.wikipedia:
> Male: 18556
> Female: 3054
> All user: 998668
>
> commons:
> Male: 27980
> Female: 5070
> All user: 1464442
>
> Say if you need more data.
>
> Sincerly,
> DaB.
>
>
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Feb 9, 2011, 2:54 PM

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Hello,
Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 23:36:12 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
> Hoi,
> I would be interested in learning sr and ru.

sr.wikipedia:
Male: 1666
Femaile: 414
All user: 78180

ru.wikipedia:
Male: 80491
Femaile: 23750
All user: 620393

pl.wikipedia:
Male: 12106
Femaile: 2999
All user: 414511

(nl.wikipedia – somebody asked in IRC):
Male: 8977
Femaile: 1781
All user: 368815

> I understand that for these
> languages the gender actually matters in the presentation in the user
> interface.
> Thanks,
> GerardM

Good night,
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palnatoke at gmail

Feb 9, 2011, 3:04 PM

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How about da.wp?

TIA,
Ole

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Feb 9, 2011, 4:29 PM

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Would it be possible to get this information for es.wp and sv.wp?

Thanks

2011/2/9 DaB. <WP [at] daniel>:
> Hello,
> Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 23:36:12 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
>> Hoi,
>> I would be interested in learning sr and ru.
>
> sr.wikipedia:
> Male: 1666
> Femaile: 414
> All user: 78180
>
> ru.wikipedia:
> Male: 80491
> Femaile: 23750
> All user: 620393
>
> pl.wikipedia:
> Male: 12106
> Femaile: 2999
> All user: 414511
>
> (nl.wikipedia somebody asked in IRC):
> Male: 8977
> Femaile: 1781
> All user: 368815
>
>> I understand that for these
>> languages the gender actually matters in the presentation in the user
>> interface.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>
> Good night,
> DaB.
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Feb 9, 2011, 4:54 PM

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On 11-02-09 02:18 PM, DaB. wrote:
> Hello,
> Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 22:38:20 schrieb Brandon Harris:
>> Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
>> little data to work with on the gender gap list?
> sure. I asked the toolserver-database:
> ...
>
> Say if you need more data.
>
> Sincerly,
> DaB
Since we've already got some of these, would you mind getting me some
aggregate data for skin preferences.

In particular I'd like to know how many users across Wikimedia (en.wp,
maybe commons too might be enough for that kind of stat for now) are
using the legacy skins.
We essentially keep repeating a discussion that goes dev A) "These
legacy skins are getting in the way of <x>." dev B) "If they're in your
way, why don't we just get rid of them..." dev C) "People on en.wp are
using those skins, they're going to complain, we can't get rid of them."
without basing a discussion on any real statistic. So having some real
statistics to discuss (and in the future some voluntary explanations on
why people are using the legacy skins) to come up with actual solutions
would be good.

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Feb 9, 2011, 5:47 PM

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Re: Fwd: Gender preference [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:
> 2011/2/9 Ole Palnatoke Andersen <palnatoke [at] gmail>:
>> Are the numbers available on a per-wiki basis, so we can point to them
>> and say "so-and-so many percent of our users self-identify as male,
>> female, and none-of-your-business, respectively"?
>>
> They're available to sysadmins only, because preferences are private
> data. Aggregate data about preferences is not currently published in
> an automated fashion.

That's not accurate. Aggregate preference data is available to
toolserver users — the view omits the user ID field.

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Feb 9, 2011, 6:49 PM

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Just making sure I understand the data below. I'm assuming this means
there are 13,959,842 total accounts in the English Wikipedia?

Interesting because there are a total of 651,652 cumulative "New
Wikipedians" (users with >=10 lifetime edits) as of Dec 2010. Which
would mean that only 4.7% of all registered accounts qualify to be
considered "New Wikipedian," so the vast majority of our accounts are
for readers?

Howie

On 2/9/11 2:18 PM, DaB. wrote:
> Hello,
> Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 22:38:20 schrieb Brandon Harris:
>> Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
>> little data to work with on the gender gap list?
> sure. I asked the toolserver-database:
>
> en.wikipedia:
> Male: 233312
> Femaile: 46973
> All user: 13959842
>
> de.wikipedia:
> Male: 35726
> Female: 4800
> All user: 1167708
>
> fr.wikipedia:
> Male: 18556
> Female: 3054
> All user: 998668
>
> commons:
> Male: 27980
> Female: 5070
> All user: 1464442
>
> Say if you need more data.
>
> Sincerly,
> DaB.
>
>
>
>
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Feb 9, 2011, 6:55 PM

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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Howie Fung <hfung [at] wikimedia> wrote:
> Just making sure I understand the data below. I'm assuming this means
> there are 13,959,842 total accounts in the English Wikipedia?
>
> Interesting because there are a total of 651,652 cumulative "New
> Wikipedians" (users with >=10 lifetime edits) as of Dec 2010. Which
> would mean that only 4.7% of all registered accounts qualify to be
> considered "New Wikipedian," so the vast majority of our accounts are
> for readers?
>

Yep, that lines up about right with my understanding of the editor
activity distribution. When someone starts editing, they are very
likely to stop after one edit.

-Sage

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Feb 9, 2011, 10:06 PM

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* "M. Williamson" <node.ue [at] gmail> [Wed, 9 Feb 2011 17:29:06 -0700]:
> Would it be possible to get this information for es.wp and sv.wp?
>
There should be one table with all lang.wp and a column with male to
female ratio.
Dmitriy

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amir.aharoni at mail

Feb 9, 2011, 11:28 PM

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Re: Fwd: Skin preference [In reply to]

2011/2/10 Daniel Friesen <lists [at] nadir-seen-fire>
> Since we've already got some of these, would you mind getting me some
> aggregate data for skin preferences.
>
> In particular I'd like to know how many users across Wikimedia (en.wp,
> maybe commons too might be enough for that kind of stat for now) are
> using the legacy skins.

The actual statistic may not reflect what the users actually want. I
have an account with a few edits in a lot of projects and when i enter
them for the first since the Vector switch i see that i still have
Monobook there.

So this measurement should not just check the preference itself, but
also when the user last logged in. If that's not possible, then at
least when did the user made the last edit.

That said, i am all for deprecating old skins which are barely used
and gathering clever statistics about preferences and updating the
defaults.

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