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Jan 27, 2010, 6:23 AM
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Re: Range Contribs tool; anti-vandal software; anon IPs' User-Agents; the netblocks that vandalize the most; etc.
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Unforgettableid
<unforgettableid [at] gmail> wrote:
> A) Did I go too far when I did all the research I described above? Do you
> yourself often use the Range Contributions tool[4] for looking at vandals' ISPs'
> contributions?
Most of the people here aren't enwiki vandal hunters. Why don't you
ask wikien-l instead?
> B) What do you think are the chances that the same person made both the
> first[1] and the second[7] vandalistic edits? The IP addresses' binary
> representations are quite different.
Possible but unlikely. If you look at the reverse DNS, one is
cpe-174-105-248-31.insight.res.rr.com and one is
cpe-174-106-099-246.nc.res.rr.com. The latter looks like it's
probably from RoadRunner in North Carolina, while the former has
"insight" instead of "nc" -- not sure what that is, but they're
probably geographically different groups of customers.
> C) Why did no anti-vandalism software automatically revert either edit?
This list is for MediaWiki development and Wikimedia systems
adminstration. The various auto-reverting bots are maintained by
entirely different people, and you should ask them.
> D) When I look at the history[9] of [[Patrick Stump]], I see that there were
> fourteen edits between 06:51 and 07:03, most vandalism. Yet the vandalistic
> edits come from a variety of IP addresses and usernames. The IP addresses
> differ widely from each other. Why is this?
Maybe because they're totally different people?
> E) When comparing two vandals' edits in other situations, is there any quick
> way for editors to find out both IPs' hostnames, User-Agents, Accept-Charset
> strings, Accept-Language strings, screen resolutions, and/or IP geolocation
> results? I do very little vandalism removal, so I myself am not sure.
You can find out their reverse DNS and whois information through
standard tools, such as the command-line utilities "dig" and "whois"
or various websites that will run them for you. Geolocation services
are provided by a variety of websites using different databases of
varying quality. The rest is not available to unprivileged users,
although some is available to checkusers (at least for logged-in
users, dunno about anonymous).
> F) Which netblocks do the most vandalism and the least useful editing? Which
> cities? Which entire countries? Should those netblocks, cities, and countries
> be forced to log in before editing?
That's a policy decision that would be made either by Wikimedia or
individual wikis, not by devs/sysadmins, so this isn't the right list.
> G) Wouldn't it be cool if some web browsers or ISPs would tell Wikipedia what a
> contributor's PPPoE username was whenever the contributor made an edit?
That's not very useful for people who don't use PPPoE, which is
probably a large majority. We do have arrangements with some ISPs,
like AOL, to send X-Forwarded-For headers so we can display users'
real IP addresses rather than those of proxies. It's very unlikely
that ISPs would be willing to give us their customers' names -- their
customers pay them, we don't.
> If you reply to only one of A), B), C), D), E), F), or G) then please use a
> different subject line than I used. And add a "(was: ...)" tag at the end of
> the subject line. That way, it'll be easier for others to follow just the parts
> of the discussion that they want to follow.
I don't think this discussion will go on for much longer anyway, and
people would not appreciate it if I posted seven times as many
responses to a thread that's largely off-topic to begin with.
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