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lars at aronsson

Sep 30, 2009, 3:37 PM

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Disambiguation while editing

In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to
verify that I'm linking to the right article, whether it is a
disambiguation page, or by seeing the first sentence from that
article. I know I can "preview" my edit and click that link to
see the page (or ctrl-click to make it appear in a new tab), but
that method just seems sooo 2002.

Is there some tool, button or gadget that does this trick? Perhaps
some greasemonkey script?

What it would do: From where the cursor stands in the edit box,
search backwards for a "[[" and then forwards to the following "|"
or "]]" which ever comes first (this covers the case that the
cursor is inside the link brackets). Look up that article, show
the first paragraph or 150 characters in a pop-up. If I click a
link in the pop-up (a top link, or a disambig page), replace the
link in the edit box so it points to that article.

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Sep 30, 2009, 4:53 PM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

On 10/1/09, Lars Aronsson <lars [at] aronsson> wrote:
> What it would do: From where the cursor stands in the edit box,
> search backwards for a "[.[." and then forwards to the following "|"
> or "]]" which ever comes first (this covers the case that the
> cursor is inside the link brackets). Look up that article, show
> the first paragraph or 150 characters in a pop-up. If I click a
> link in the pop-up (a top link, or a disambig page), replace the
> link in the edit box so it points to that article.

Sounds very well described. Would be useful to a lot of people, so if
it gets developed, maybe it should be deployed in the sitewide
javascript?

Steve

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Sep 30, 2009, 5:21 PM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

On 9/30/09 3:37 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote:
> What it would do: From where the cursor stands in the edit box,
> search backwards for a "[.[." and then forwards to the following "|"
> or "]]" which ever comes first (this covers the case that the
> cursor is inside the link brackets). Look up that article, show
> the first paragraph or 150 characters in a pop-up. If I click a
> link in the pop-up (a top link, or a disambig page), replace the
> link in the edit box so it points to that article.

I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up
their sleeves, hiding somewhere.

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Sep 30, 2009, 7:30 PM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

On 10/1/09, Brion Vibber <brion [at] wikimedia> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up
> their sleeves, hiding somewhere.

Heh, I was wondering if this would start to become the new meme. "We
don't need to fix that gui, the usability team will take care of it!"

You're probably right, of course. I wonder what the best way to double
check these assumptions is.

Steve

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Sep 30, 2009, 11:03 PM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

2009/10/1 Lars Aronsson <lars [at] aronsson>

>
> In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to
> verify that I'm linking to the right article, whether it is a
> disambiguation page, or by seeing the first sentence from that
> article. I know I can "preview" my edit and click that link to
> see the page (or ctrl-click to make it appear in a new tab), but
> that method just seems sooo 2002.
>
> Is there some tool, button or gadget that does this trick? Perhaps
> some greasemonkey script?
>
> What it would do: From where the cursor stands in the edit box,
> search backwards for a "[.[." and then forwards to the following "|"
> or "]]" which ever comes first (this covers the case that the
> cursor is inside the link brackets). Look up that article, show
> the first paragraph or 150 characters in a pop-up. If I click a
> link in the pop-up (a top link, or a disambig page), replace the
> link in the edit box so it points to that article.
>

The Navigation popups[1] has partially a functionality that does these: if
you select a link in the edit box it will display the first part of the
article in a popup; after saving if you hover over a disambig or redirect
link, you can choose to fix it with one click. I don't think it is possible
with it to do this fixing right from the edit box.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups

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Sep 30, 2009, 11:55 PM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Lars Aronsson <lars [at] aronsson> wrote:
>
> In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to
> verify that I'm linking to the right article,

Humm?

I don't know the wikipedia, but on other wikis is like that:

Fire and forget. You link [[Mr John Doe]]. Once is published you
notice is not a link, so you click, and make a redirection from [[Mr.
John Doe]] to the existing article [[Doc. John Doe]].

You can also make links that don't exist. Like in "english expression
'[[a pocket full of horses]]'", you don't need to link to articles
that exist. On a wiki (I don't know wikipedia) you don't have to
post correct or complete stuff. And having unpopulated links is a
invitation to others to create more articles or redirections.

I know Wikipedia has always been a strange wiki, so maybe thats not
how it works. I hate wikipedia a bit.

Also, the creation of a redirection from [[Doc John Doe]] and [[John
Doe]] to [[Dr John Doe]] is content. Maybe a dude could be googling
"Doc John" and find the redirection one. Is a happy "error" that these
redirections are created.

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Oct 1, 2009, 12:17 AM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Tei <oscar.vives [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Lars Aronsson <lars [at] aronsson> wrote:
>>
>> In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to
>> verify that I'm linking to the right article,
>
> Humm?
>
> I don't know the wikipedia, but on other wikis is like that:

(snip)

The issue was about disambiguations, that is, the case where one term
has two meanings. [[John Doe]] may lead you to an article about
another person than you intended to, but with the same name. Or to a
page only specifying that there are several people by that name, and
giving you links to the various articles.

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Oct 1, 2009, 3:22 AM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

2009/10/1 Brion Vibber <brion [at] wikimedia>:
> I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up
> their sleeves, hiding somewhere.
>
Sort of. We have a link insertion dialog that shows title suggestions
and page existence status as you type in our Babaco release, which
should be deployed very soon, and we have ideas about adding a link
preview to that dialog. We originally envisaged "link preview" to mean
a preview of what the actual link looks like, but having a preview of
the linked-to page, if it exists, sounds like an interesting idea.
I've forwarded the original post to the rest of our team, and I'll
point them to the rest of this thread as well.

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Oct 1, 2009, 5:03 AM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:
> 2009/10/1 Brion Vibber <brion [at] wikimedia>:
>> I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up
>> their sleeves, hiding somewhere.
>>
> Sort of. We have a link insertion dialog that shows title suggestions
> and page existence status as you type in our Babaco release, which
> should be deployed very soon, and we have ideas about adding a link
> preview to that dialog. We originally envisaged "link preview" to mean
> a preview of what the actual link looks like, but having a preview of
> the linked-to page, if it exists, sounds like an interesting idea.
> I've forwarded the original post to the rest of our team, and I'll
> point them to the rest of this thread as well.

Meanwhile, I wrote a simple JS that tells you when the cursor (in edit
mode) is within a "red link", or if it's a disambiguation page, it
offers "replace-links" to click on. That should answer the problem of
the OP. Could do redirects as well, but didn't want to overload it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/linkfixr.js

Cheers,
Magnus

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Oct 1, 2009, 5:28 AM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

On 10/1/09, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske [at] googlemail> wrote:
> Meanwhile, I wrote a simple JS that tells you when the cursor (in edit
> mode) is within a "red link", or if it's a disambiguation page, it
> offers "replace-links" to click on. That should answer the problem of
> the OP. Could do redirects as well, but didn't want to overload it...

IMHO, you should "overload" it. You write lots of brilliant little
tools that do distinct jobs. You should combine them into big chunks
of really useful functionality, the "Magnus toolbelt" or something.
Then more people would come across more of these features and demand
that they be integrated into MediaWiki...

Steve

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Oct 1, 2009, 7:29 AM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

Lars Aronsson wrote:
> In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to
> verify that I'm linking to the right article, whether it is a
> disambiguation page, or by seeing the first sentence from that
> article. I know I can "preview" my edit and click that link to
> see the page (or ctrl-click to make it appear in a new tab), but
> that method just seems sooo 2002.

Bug 8339: show them with a different color so you can spot them directly
at preview.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8339

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Oct 1, 2009, 10:34 AM

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Re: Disambiguation while editing [In reply to]

On 9/30/09 7:30 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On 10/1/09, Brion Vibber<brion [at] wikimedia> wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up
>> their sleeves, hiding somewhere.
>
> Heh, I was wondering if this would start to become the new meme. "We
> don't need to fix that gui, the usability team will take care of it!"

Oh things need fixin' all right. :) Just want to make sure that efforts
are combined, not duplicated.

-- brion

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