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jared.williams1 at ntlworld

Sep 16, 2009, 5:25 PM

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Re: Usabilityinitiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikitech-l-bounces [at] lists
> [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of
> Aryeh Gregor
> Sent: 17 September 2009 00:46
> To: Wikimedia developers
> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l]
> Usabilityinitiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.)
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Daniel Schwen
> <lists [at] schwen> wrote:
> >> My personal prefered solution would be to have the icons
> in SVG and
> >> embed them directly into the page. But I guess that is not
> acceptable
> >> for the browser agnostic wikipedia audience.
> >
> > There are always data: urls, which would also save a roundtrip.
But
> > without some serverside support to automatically embed those this
> > would create a maintenance nightmare.
>
> These icons are being added to the page by the software, so
> automatic embedding is no problem. But IE doesn't support
> data: before version 8. data: with SVG would avoid the extra
> requests and latency, but then of course you don't get to do
caching!

Caching is still possible, with SDCH compression but only
Chromium/Chrome, and possibly IE with Google Toolbar, have
implementations.

> Web development is fun.

No comment :)

Jared

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Sep 17, 2009, 6:27 AM

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Re: Usabilityinitiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.) [In reply to]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Jared Williams
<jared.williams1 [at] ntlworld> wrote:
> Caching is still possible, with SDCH compression but only
> Chromium/Chrome, and possibly IE with Google Toolbar, have
> implementations.

In other words it's not possible for what, 95% of our users? But,
yes, you're right, SDCH would be useful here. I always forget about
because, you know, basically no one supports it.

Actually, does Chrome support stable sdch out-of-the-box these days?

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov <questpc [at] rambler> wrote:
> Hmm.. just came a thought that it would be neat if the future browsers
> were able to load small statical content from some kind of resuorce
> files.
> Such way css can be grouped into one resource file, icons into another
> one.

Or both into the same. See a proposal in that vein that Mozilla seems
interested in: http://limi.net/articles/resource-packages

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Sep 17, 2009, 10:58 AM

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Re: Usabilityinitiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.) [In reply to]

>> Caching is still possible, with SDCH compression but only
> In other words it's not possible for what, 95% of our users? But,

And how about HTML5 offline mode cache manifests? That would at best
do only one http request to see if the manifest has changed. And would
support a considerably larger user base.

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