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jared.williams1 at ntlworld

Sep 16, 2009, 3:07 PM

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Re: Usability initiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikitech-l-bounces [at] lists
> [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of
> Gregory Maxwell
> Sent: 16 September 2009 22:35
> To: Wikimedia developers
> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability
> initiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.)
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jared Williams
> <jared.williams1 [at] ntlworld> wrote:
> > Can distribute them across multiple domain names, thereby
bypassing
> > the browser/HTTP limits.
> >
> > Something along the lines of
> > 'c'.(crc32($title) & 3).'.en.wikipedia.org'
> >
> > Would atleast attempt to download upto 4 times as many things.
>
> Right, but it reduces connection reuse. So you end up taking
> more TCP handshakes and spend more time with a small
> transmission window. (plus more DNS round-trips; relevant
> because wikimedia uses low TTLs for GSLB reasons) TNSTAAFL.
>

Indeed, it all rather depends on usage.

There is also that sprite option, combing all the icons into a single
image, and using CSS tricks to display each icon. But seems far too
much pfaff to keep track of, if want the individual icons as wiki
content.

My personal prefered solution would be to have the icons in SVG and
embed them directly into the page. But I guess that is not acceptable
for the browser agnostic wikipedia audience.

Jared


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Sep 16, 2009, 3:17 PM

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Re: Usability initiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.) [In reply to]

> My personal prefered solution would be to have the icons in SVG and
> embed them directly into the page. But I guess that is not acceptable
> for the browser agnostic wikipedia audience.

There are always data: urls, which would also save a roundtrip. But
without some serverside support to automatically embed those this
would create a maintenance nightmare.

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Sep 16, 2009, 4:45 PM

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Re: Usability initiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.) [In reply to]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Daniel Schwen <lists [at] schwen> wrote:
>> My personal prefered solution would be to have the icons in SVG and
>> embed them directly into the page. But I guess that is not acceptable
>> for the browser agnostic wikipedia audience.
>
> There are always data: urls, which would also save a roundtrip. But
> without some serverside support to automatically embed those this
> would create a maintenance nightmare.

These icons are being added to the page by the software, so automatic
embedding is no problem. But IE doesn't support data: before version
8. data: with SVG would avoid the extra requests and latency, but
then of course you don't get to do caching!

Web development is fun.

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Sep 16, 2009, 6:40 PM

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Re: Usability initiative(HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.) [In reply to]

> These icons are being added to the page by the software, so automatic
> embedding is no problem.  But IE doesn't support data: before version
> 8.  data: with SVG would avoid the extra requests and latency, but
> then of course you don't get to do caching!

Uhm, SVG and in particular compund document SVG support looks even
worse. Nah well, we are getting side-tracked :)

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