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jidanni at jidanni

Aug 22, 2009, 3:07 PM

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Dear Jimmy Wales,

Could you ask those in charge to make the wikimedia.org mailing lists
searchable again?

There may be good reasons why they aren't,

but of course one cannot find them,

because they are not searchable!

Thanks.

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Platonides at gmail

Aug 22, 2009, 3:14 PM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

jidanni [at] jidanni wrote:
> Dear Jimmy Wales,
>
> Could you ask those in charge to make the wikimedia.org mailing lists
> searchable again?
>
> There may be good reasons why they aren't,
>
> but of course one cannot find them,
>
> because they are not searchable!
>
> Thanks.

The reason were people posting private data to the mailing list, then
annoying sysadmins to remove then when finding about them on Google.

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Aug 22, 2009, 3:55 PM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Platonides <Platonides [at] gmail> wrote:

> jidanni [at] jidanni wrote:
> > Dear Jimmy Wales,
> >
> > Could you ask those in charge to make the wikimedia.org mailing lists
> > searchable again?
> >
> > There may be good reasons why they aren't,
> >
> > but of course one cannot find them,
> >
> > because they are not searchable!
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> The reason were people posting private data to the mailing list, then
> annoying sysadmins to remove then when finding about them on Google.
>
>
False. The reason is that people can post entirely reasonable things on
these lists and employers can then be hyper-discriminative about their
personal interests and choose not to hire them, or to fire them.
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Aug 22, 2009, 4:01 PM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

2009/8/22 Brian <Brian.Mingus [at] colorado>:

> False. The reason is that people can post entirely reasonable things on
> these lists and employers can then be hyper-discriminative about their
> personal interests and choose not to hire them, or to fire them.

Pity they're all over gmane and nabble, then.

Suggestion: a Google search on gmane and/or nabble linked from the
archive pages.

- d.

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Aug 22, 2009, 4:06 PM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 5:01 PM, David Gerard <dgerard [at] gmail> wrote:

> 2009/8/22 Brian <Brian.Mingus [at] colorado>:
>
> > False. The reason is that people can post entirely reasonable things on
> > these lists and employers can then be hyper-discriminative about their
> > personal interests and choose not to hire them, or to fire them.
>
>
> Pity they're all over gmane and nabble, then.
>
> Suggestion: a Google search on gmane and/or nabble linked from the
> archive pages.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
Yes, those sites fail to respect robots.txt and have the outrageous policy
that they will only withhold emails from their archive that have the
X-No-Archive header in them. Which you, as a gmail user, could not possibly
include in one of your e-mails unless you used a very new feature which
allows you to host your own smtp server and route messages through that.

Furthermore it's a double standard that the foundation makes the list
archives available to non-members but they "agree" with the logic of putting
the lists in robots.txt exclusion.
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jidanni at jidanni

Aug 22, 2009, 8:20 PM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

>> Suggestion: a Google search on gmane and/or nabble linked from the
>> archive pages.
B> Yes, those sites fail to respect robots.txt
Huh, people subscribed the lists to gmane. Gmane does not spider sites.
Brion even told the Gmane admins it was OK to not encrypt addresses upon
my request... (but you'll have to look that thread up yourself :-), if
you can, Muhahaha)

B> and have the outrageous policy that they will only withhold emails
B> from their archive that have the that they will only withhold emails
B> from their archive that have the X-No-Archive header in them. Which
B> you, as a gmail user, could not possibly include in one of your
B> e-mails unless you used a very new feature which allows you to host
B> your own smtp server and route messages through that.

Or just use a different Mail User Agent. I mean if the user has such
special needs, they can at least learn to use a different Mail User
Agent, instead of playing like President Kim, and outlawing searching
for everybody.

B> Furthermore it's a double standard that the foundation makes the list
B> archives available to non-members but they "agree" with the logic of putting
B> the lists in robots.txt exclusion.

All I know is I don't know of any other examples of "security through
obscurity" on mailing lists. Wasn't Jimbo inventing a new search engine?
I don't know though... can't search for the announcement.

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gmaxwell at gmail

Aug 22, 2009, 8:53 PM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:20 PM, <jidanni [at] jidanni> wrote:
> All I know is I don't know of any other examples of "security through
> obscurity" on mailing lists. Wasn't Jimbo inventing a new search engine?
> I don't know though... can't search for the announcement.

Download the gzipped mbox files from when you were not subscribed, for
example http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-July.txt.gz

Import this into the client software of your choice. Enjoy your
new-found ability to search.

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Aug 22, 2009, 9:24 PM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:20 PM, <jidanni [at] jidanni> wrote:
>
Can you please not alter the way quotes are done by including letters
at the start of the line because most clients pick up the ">" at the
start of the line and indicate that it's a quote. The best way to
indicate who said it is leave the bit up the top that indicates the
day/date and sender.

- Peachey

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jidanni at jidanni

Aug 23, 2009, 10:16 PM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

>>>>> "GM" == Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell [at] gmail> writes:
GM> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:20 PM, <jidanni [at] jidanni> wrote:
>> All I know is I don't know of any other examples of "security through
>> obscurity" on mailing lists. Wasn't Jimbo inventing a new search engine?
>> I don't know though... can't search for the announcement.

GM> Download the gzipped mbox files from when you were not subscribed, for
GM> example http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-July.txt.gz

GM> Import this into the client software of your choice. Enjoy your
GM> new-found ability to search.

Why have each user jump through such hoops, and still leave this door
open to the "the bad guys" whoever they are.

Anyway my preferred client is http://www.google.com/ so that won't help
anyway.

I don't see why all the years and years of technical discussion must be
held at ransom just because one article where someone said one thing
that he is afraid his future employer will see or something.

Just remove that one article for heavens sake, and ask the user
concerned to be more careful in the future.

Or say: "We here at Wikimedia are happy to announce that beginning of
09/09/2009 the Wikimedia mailing lists will again allow search engines
to index. Any users who wish an article they wrote to be removed can
contact us at any time..."

What if the Linux Kernel list had to be held at ransom just because one
little article? How could anybody look up a technical problem that had
been encountered in the past?

How can one instruct good netiquette that one should first check if a
problem has been solved in the past before posting a question, if there
is no way to check? (Other than hoping that something got indexed anyway
elsewhere due to "leaks" (I.e., gmane, telling us to look there while
not willing to index primarily, is cheating.).

How can one user's one personal problem hold all those technical
references at ransom? What other organization blackholes their entire
technical discussions just because one person's one time personal
problem? Remove the thing that is bothering that user, and then get
these lists back into Google where they belong.

The usual way organizations deal with sensitive discussions is to have a
separate closed "personal problems" list that is not indexed, instead of
taking down all the other lists, North Korean style.

(Mr. Peachy, I have left the formatting in this time. Thanks.)

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Platonides at gmail

Aug 24, 2009, 6:08 AM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

We used to provide a search using htdig, but it failed to update and
finally got deactivated.
What about adding a new search with lucene, just as the wiki search?
Then mediawiki.org search could incorporate a search mediawiki-l'
checkbox. :)
Seems like a neat project for the codeathon.

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Aug 24, 2009, 6:44 AM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, <jidanni [at] jidanni> wrote:
> Why have each user jump through such hoops, and still leave this door
> open to the "the bad guys" whoever they are.
[snip]

If you wish to have a productive discussion with people you'll be most
successful if you try to understand and empathize with their concerns,
so that you can find a solution which satisfies everyone. You won't go
far with scare-quoted phrases like "the bad guys" and hyperbole like
"held for ransom" and "North Korean style".

The current behaviour was established as the result of experience:
It's not something that was done speculatively, but as a solution to
real problems which were occurring. Removing messages from archives
was found to be time-consuming and ineffective because once out the
removal often did nothing. The annoying of dealing with it was
magnified because it had to be done by someone with shell access and
because it was, naturally, always urgent.

People make mistakes, both the "clicked the wrong button type" and the
"failed to consider the consequence" type, and people often play fast
and loose with other people's privacy. As an example— an issue we've
had in the past is people responding with private details to a message
which included a public list buried in its carbon-copy chain. So
admonishing "be more careful" really doesn't solve it: The lack of
google indexing is intended to address the cases where "be careful"
failed.

The intent isn't to stop people from searching for information in the
lists, which would be an impossible goal, but to prevent material from
the lists from showing up at the top of google when people perform
random searches for various people's names and to make removals
actually effective. So the availability of archive files is not a
problem.

Perhaps this is more of a problem for the Wikimedia Lists than many
others due to the high search placement of the Wiki(p|m)edia sites in
general. I think the comparison to LKML is entirely inappropriate: not
only can you make an entirely different set of assumptions about the
users technical prowess but LKML is open for posting to
non-subscribers … the level of SPAM received through it in the past
has exceeded the volume of some of our lists, its like arguing that we
shouldn't wear underwear because the nice folks at the nudist colony
don't either. :) Different culture, different issues, different
solutions.

Other people do have the same problems and concerns— though obviously
you're less likely to see them if they aren't indexed by google!
Being able to keep your messages out of the search indexes while
remaining open to anyone who is willing to click a few buttons is a
primary attraction of the yahoo-groups service. Be thankful that we
don't force you though an infuriating web interface like they do.

I think everyone would like better search than we currently have
available. It should be possible to provide a solid search interface
without increasing the level of exposure.

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tstarling at wikimedia

Aug 24, 2009, 8:54 AM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

Platonides wrote:
> jidanni [at] jidanni wrote:
>> Dear Jimmy Wales,
>>
>> Could you ask those in charge to make the wikimedia.org mailing lists
>> searchable again?
>>
>> There may be good reasons why they aren't,
>>
>> but of course one cannot find them,
>>
>> because they are not searchable!
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> The reason were people posting private data to the mailing list, then
> annoying sysadmins to remove then when finding about them on Google.

I think he already knows the reasons why, and the archive sites where
search is available, he found out that information last time he posted
to this list on this subject:

http://marc.info/?l=wikitech-l&m=124348095926993&w=2

-- Tim Starling

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Aug 24, 2009, 9:32 AM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Tim Starling<tstarling [at] wikimedia> wrote:
> Platonides wrote:
>> jidanni [at] jidanni wrote:
>>> Dear Jimmy Wales,
>>>
>>> Could you ask those in charge to make the wikimedia.org mailing lists
>>> searchable again?
>>>
>>> There may be good reasons why they aren't,
>>>
>>> but of course one cannot find them,
>>>
>>> because they are not searchable!
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> The reason were people posting private data to the mailing list, then
>> annoying sysadmins to remove then when finding about them on Google.
>
> I think he already knows the reasons why, and the archive sites where
> search is available, he found out that information last time he posted
> to this list on this subject:
>
> http://marc.info/?l=wikitech-l&m=124348095926993&w=2
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
>
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>

Jidanni, for what it's worth you brought up this question back
in May and were told the exact same things as in this thread.
Did you forget the previous discussion? Or did you think by
CC'ing Jimmy you'd get a different answer this time around?

-Chad

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Aug 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Gregory Maxwell<gmaxwell [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, <jidanni [at] jidanni> wrote:
>> Why have each user jump through such hoops, and still leave this door
>> open to the "the bad guys" whoever they are.
> [snip]
>
> If you wish to have a productive discussion with people you'll be most
> successful if you try to understand and empathize with their concerns,
> so that you can find a solution which satisfies everyone. You won't go
> far with scare-quoted phrases like "the bad guys" and hyperbole like
> "held for ransom" and "North Korean style".
>
> The current behaviour was established as the result of experience:
> It's not something that was done speculatively, but as a solution to
> real problems which were occurring. �Removing messages from archives
> was found to be time-consuming and ineffective because once out the
> removal often did nothing. The annoying of dealing with it was
> magnified because it had to be done by someone with shell access and
> because it was, naturally, always urgent.
>
> People make mistakes, both the "clicked the wrong button type" and the
> "failed to consider the consequence" type, and people often play fast
> and loose with other people's privacy. As an example� an issue we've
> had in the past is people responding with private details to a message
> which included a public list buried in its carbon-copy chain. �So
> admonishing "be more careful" really doesn't solve it: �The lack of
> google indexing is intended to address the cases where "be careful"
> failed.
>
> The intent isn't to stop people from searching for information in the
> lists, which would be an impossible goal, but to prevent material from
> the lists from showing up at the top of google when people perform
> random searches for various people's names and to make removals
> actually effective. So the availability of archive files is not a
> problem.
>
> Perhaps this is more of a problem for the Wikimedia Lists than many
> others due to the high search placement of the Wiki(p|m)edia sites in
> general. I think the comparison to LKML is entirely inappropriate: not
> only can you make an entirely different set of assumptions about the
> users technical prowess but LKML is open for posting to
> non-subscribers � the level of SPAM received through it in the past
> has exceeded the volume of some of our lists, its like arguing that we
> shouldn't wear underwear because the nice folks at the nudist colony
> don't either. :) Different culture, different issues, different
> solutions.
>
> Other people do have the same problems and concerns� though obviously
> you're less likely to see them if they aren't indexed by google!
> Being able to keep your messages out of the search indexes while
> remaining open to anyone who is willing to click a few buttons is a
> primary attraction of the yahoo-groups service. �Be thankful that we
> don't force you though an infuriating web interface like they do.
>
> I think everyone would like better search than we currently have
> available. It should be possible to provide a solid search interface
> without increasing the level of exposure.

I'd like to echo the last point. I'd certainly like to see a decent
search function for the mailing lists. (Though given the number of
sites that already archive some of our mailing lists, even opening
them to Google doesn't seem likely to increase exposure by all that
much.)

How difficult would it be for someone to set up Lucene (or similar) to
go through the collective mailing list archives and provide some form
of centralized search interface?

If someone is feeling really ambitious, one might even look at
replacing the pipermail archive with something more stable (links can
break when the index gets rebuilt) and easier to manage with respect
to things like removing private info. (There might even be workable
alternatives already in existence somewhere.) We've been using what
appears to be a more or less generic Mailman install for ages. Seems
like a good target for improvements.

-Robert Rohde

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brion at wikimedia

Aug 24, 2009, 11:41 AM

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On 8/24/09 2:09 PM, Robert Rohde wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Gregory Maxwell<gmaxwell [at] gmail> wrote:
>> I think everyone would like better search than we currently have
>> available. It should be possible to provide a solid search interface
>> without increasing the level of exposure.
>
> I'd like to echo the last point. I'd certainly like to see a decent
> search function for the mailing lists. (Though given the number of
> sites that already archive some of our mailing lists, even opening
> them to Google doesn't seem likely to increase exposure by all that
> much.)
>
> How difficult would it be for someone to set up Lucene (or similar) to
> go through the collective mailing list archives and provide some form
> of centralized search interface?

It's not hard in theory, just needs an interested party and some elbow
grease to replace the horror that is pipermail. :) The existing
solutions we've tried (htdig integration) have not been very stable,
hence the status quo.

In the meantime, the wide availability of searchable archive copies
through multiple third-party list aggregation services means most of our
lists are *already* searchable via Google etc, so we're not missing much
functionality.

-- brion

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Aug 24, 2009, 12:29 PM

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> In the meantime, the wide availability of searchable archive copies
> through multiple third-party list aggregation services means most of our
> lists are *already* searchable via Google etc, so we're not missing much
> functionality.
>
> -- brion

The key exception of course being our private mailing lists like
stewards-l and in particular Checkuser-l which desperately needs to be
searcheable.

- -Mike
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Aug 24, 2009, 2:40 PM

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Thank you everybody for your comments.
Pipermail is fine, if you would only let Google™ index it.
Every mailing list in the world occasionally sees the accidental slip of
the cut and paste finger, and the need for an administrator to remove
the spilled beans, which he should then do. But there is no need to not
let Google index it. When we think search, we think Google. I hate
proprietary software, and RMS http://jidanni.org/comp/index.html#rms is
my idol, but when I think search, I think Google, and will not remember
to use a special search for a special list. I end up reposting this
thread every time I realize I can't find something again due to
someone's arbitrary decision, so this time Cc'd jwales to perhaps get a
second arbitrary opinion. Anyway, you are throwing the baby out with the
bathwater, and as you mention the stuff is mostly in Google indirectly
anyway, why do this crippleware concept of not letting it be indexed?
Also no need to reinvent the wheel of a substitute search engine... OK
to have it alongside Google, but don't block Google. There are a lot of
tools, noindex, nofollow, just don't block entirely. OK, maybe you all
operate on some higher logic.

P.S., if removing a message will cause renumbering, just leave a stub
message.

I have an idea, put a message on each subscription page, and post to all
subscribers: "Starting 9.9.2009 all lists will once again be open to
indexing in Google™. This means due to Mediawiki.org ranking, anything
you say can and will end up at the top of search engine results, you
have been warned."

Tim, good job finding that. I in fact long ago have given up on
searching for anything related to these mailing lists.

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Re: please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:40 PM, <jidanni [at] jidanni> wrote:

> Thank you everybody for your comments.
> Pipermail is fine, if you would only let Google� index it.
> Every mailing list in the world occasionally sees the accidental slip of
> the cut and paste finger, and the need for an administrator to remove
> the spilled beans, which he should then do. But there is no need to not
> let Google index it. When we think search, we think Google. I hate
> proprietary software, and RMS http://jidanni.org/comp/index.html#rms is
> my idol, but when I think search, I think Google, and will not remember
> to use a special search for a special list. I end up reposting this
> thread every time I realize I can't find something again due to
> someone's arbitrary decision, so this time Cc'd jwales to perhaps get a
> second arbitrary opinion. Anyway, you are throwing the baby out with the
> bathwater, and as you mention the stuff is mostly in Google indirectly
> anyway, why do this crippleware concept of not letting it be indexed?
> Also no need to reinvent the wheel of a substitute search engine... OK
> to have it alongside Google, but don't block Google. There are a lot of
> tools, noindex, nofollow, just don't block entirely. OK, maybe you all
> operate on some higher logic.
>
> P.S., if removing a message will cause renumbering, just leave a stub
> message.
>
> I have an idea, put a message on each subscription page, and post to all
> subscribers: "Starting 9.9.2009 all lists will once again be open to
> indexing in Google�. This means due to Mediawiki.org ranking, anything
> you say can and will end up at the top of search engine results, you
> have been warned."
>
> Tim, good job finding that. I in fact long ago have given up on
> searching for anything related to these mailing lists.
>
>
If you have such a huge crush on Google then use Gmail to search these
lists. You've already been shown how to import the list archives.
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Aug 24, 2009, 3:51 PM

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[snip]

As already noted in this thread and your several previous repetitions of
it, all the public lists you're talking about are already searchable: a
Google search for "wikitech-l jidanni" returns 3,010 results.

I'm placing Jidanni under moderation on this list; further repetitions
of this previously-answered question will not be let through.

-- brion

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