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brion at wikimedia

Jun 30, 2009, 11:09 AM

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Support for "internal images" in wikitext?

Just shooting out a quick thought before I forget again -- it would be
helpful in a number of places to be able to reference "internal"
software-provided images from wikitext.

A primary example is for help pages and inline explanatory text in parts
of the UI which we want to be able to customize. This is something
that's coming up a lot in things the Usability crew is working on --
folding the wiki markup cheat sheet into mini-help pages accessible from
the editor, having screen shots for skins and features so users can see
what things are about before enabling them, etc.

One "simple" implementation could be to slip in a custom FileRepo, so
they could be referred to just like other images:

[[Image:help-markup-example-thumbnail.jpg]]

To be slightly more complex, we could give them a unique sub-namespace
of some sort, or strip out hardcoded extensions so that types can be
more flexible.

Skins might want/need to be able to override certain names, too... and
we might consider about needs for localized images -- whether RTL/LTR
only or actually making translations available.

Any thoughts?

-- brion

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innocentkiller at gmail

Jun 30, 2009, 11:17 AM

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Re: Support for "internal images" in wikitext? [In reply to]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Brion Vibber<brion [at] wikimedia> wrote:
> Just shooting out a quick thought before I forget again -- it would be
> helpful in a number of places to be able to reference "internal"
> software-provided images from wikitext.
>
> A primary example is for help pages and inline explanatory text in parts
> of the UI which we want to be able to customize. This is something
> that's coming up a lot in things the Usability crew is working on --
> folding the wiki markup cheat sheet into mini-help pages accessible from
> the editor, having screen shots for skins and features so users can see
> what things are about before enabling them, etc.
>
> One "simple" implementation could be to slip in a custom FileRepo, so
> they could be referred to just like other images:
>
> [[Image:help-markup-example-thumbnail.jpg]]
>
> To be slightly more complex, we could give them a unique sub-namespace
> of some sort, or strip out hardcoded extensions so that types can be
> more flexible.
>
> Skins might want/need to be able to override certain names, too... and
> we might consider about needs for localized images -- whether RTL/LTR
> only or actually making translations available.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -- brion
>
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>

A built-in FileRepo would be nice. Pretty straightforward to implement,
wouldn't require any major changes to put in place. We could easily
put some standard descriptions into the i18n files and load those for
the page's info.

Make sure to place it higher in the priority than any custom-defined
remote repos, or we'll end up loading the remote repo's images that
we already have locally.

-Chad

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gerard.meijssen at gmail

Jun 30, 2009, 11:27 AM

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Re: Support for "internal images" in wikitext? [In reply to]

Hoi.
At the Open Translation Tools conference last week we talked about pictures
and icons in a user interface. I learned that some of the "obvious" symbols
like a magnifying glass are not appropriate in other cultures. So I am
completely in favour of integrating images in the UI but PLEASE allow for
internationalisation and the corresponding localisation to remove images
when there is a need.
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/6/30 Brion Vibber <brion [at] wikimedia>

> Just shooting out a quick thought before I forget again -- it would be
> helpful in a number of places to be able to reference "internal"
> software-provided images from wikitext.
>
> A primary example is for help pages and inline explanatory text in parts
> of the UI which we want to be able to customize. This is something
> that's coming up a lot in things the Usability crew is working on --
> folding the wiki markup cheat sheet into mini-help pages accessible from
> the editor, having screen shots for skins and features so users can see
> what things are about before enabling them, etc.
>
> One "simple" implementation could be to slip in a custom FileRepo, so
> they could be referred to just like other images:
>
> [[Image:help-markup-example-thumbnail.jpg]]
>
> To be slightly more complex, we could give them a unique sub-namespace
> of some sort, or strip out hardcoded extensions so that types can be
> more flexible.
>
> Skins might want/need to be able to override certain names, too... and
> we might consider about needs for localized images -- whether RTL/LTR
> only or actually making translations available.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -- brion
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikitech-l [at] lists
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>
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gerard.meijssen at gmail

Jun 30, 2009, 11:36 AM

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Re: Support for "internal images" in wikitext? [In reply to]

Hoi,
The operational word is replace not remove.
Thanks,
Gerard

2009/6/30 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen [at] gmail>

> Hoi.
> At the Open Translation Tools conference last week we talked about pictures
> and icons in a user interface. I learned that some of the "obvious" symbols
> like a magnifying glass are not appropriate in other cultures. So I am
> completely in favour of integrating images in the UI but PLEASE allow for
> internationalisation and the corresponding localisation to remove images
> when there is a need.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> 2009/6/30 Brion Vibber <brion [at] wikimedia>
>
> Just shooting out a quick thought before I forget again -- it would be
>> helpful in a number of places to be able to reference "internal"
>> software-provided images from wikitext.
>>
>> A primary example is for help pages and inline explanatory text in parts
>> of the UI which we want to be able to customize. This is something
>> that's coming up a lot in things the Usability crew is working on --
>> folding the wiki markup cheat sheet into mini-help pages accessible from
>> the editor, having screen shots for skins and features so users can see
>> what things are about before enabling them, etc.
>>
>> One "simple" implementation could be to slip in a custom FileRepo, so
>> they could be referred to just like other images:
>>
>> [[Image:help-markup-example-thumbnail.jpg]]
>>
>> To be slightly more complex, we could give them a unique sub-namespace
>> of some sort, or strip out hardcoded extensions so that types can be
>> more flexible.
>>
>> Skins might want/need to be able to override certain names, too... and
>> we might consider about needs for localized images -- whether RTL/LTR
>> only or actually making translations available.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> -- brion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikitech-l mailing list
>> Wikitech-l [at] lists
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>>
>
>
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innocentkiller at gmail

Jun 30, 2009, 11:43 AM

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Re: Support for "internal images" in wikitext? [In reply to]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Gerard
Meijssen<gerard.meijssen [at] gmail> wrote:
> Hoi,
> The operational word is replace not remove.
> Thanks,
> Gerard
>
> 2009/6/30 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen [at] gmail>
>
>> Hoi.
>> At the Open Translation Tools conference last week we talked about pictures
>> and icons in a user interface. I learned that some of the "obvious" symbols
>> like a magnifying glass are not appropriate in other cultures. So I am
>> completely in favour of integrating images in the UI but PLEASE allow for
>> internationalisation and the corresponding localisation to remove images
>> when there is a need.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> 2009/6/30 Brion Vibber <brion [at] wikimedia>
>>
>> Just shooting out a quick thought before I forget again -- it would be
>>> helpful in a number of places to be able to reference "internal"
>>> software-provided images from wikitext.
>>>
>>> A primary example is for help pages and inline explanatory text in parts
>>> of the UI which we want to be able to customize. This is something
>>> that's coming up a lot in things the Usability crew is working on --
>>> folding the wiki markup cheat sheet into mini-help pages accessible from
>>> the editor, having screen shots for skins and features so users can see
>>> what things are about before enabling them, etc.
>>>
>>> One "simple" implementation could be to slip in a custom FileRepo, so
>>> they could be referred to just like other images:
>>>
>>> [[Image:help-markup-example-thumbnail.jpg]]
>>>
>>> To be slightly more complex, we could give them a unique sub-namespace
>>> of some sort, or strip out hardcoded extensions so that types can be
>>> more flexible.
>>>
>>> Skins might want/need to be able to override certain names, too... and
>>> we might consider about needs for localized images -- whether RTL/LTR
>>> only or actually making translations available.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> -- brion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wikitech-l mailing list
>>> Wikitech-l [at] lists
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>>>
>>
>>
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This is very true. I don't see any reason why the file repo
designed around this cannot handle such scenarios. Either
that, or the Language classes a way to load localized images
when needed (which the file repo could easily sit on top of)

-Chad

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niklas.laxstrom at gmail

Jun 30, 2009, 1:15 PM

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Re: Support for "internal images" in wikitext? [In reply to]

2009/6/30 Brion Vibber <brion [at] wikimedia>:
> Skins might want/need to be able to override certain names, too... and
> we might consider about needs for localized images -- whether RTL/LTR
> only or actually making translations available.

Like http://laxstrom.name/blag/2008/07/05/localisation-of-images/ ?
Or was the question about how to refer to those alternatives in wiki syntax?

--
Niklas Laxstr�m

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