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Jun 23, 2008, 11:52 PM

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Re: Bug 11555 - huge usability problem for blindreaders

From: "Simetrical" <Simetrical+wikilist[at]gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:19 PM

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Per <Reisender[at]online.de> wrote:
>> Sorry for this question but the answer is important for all blind
>> Wikipedia
>> readers around the world.
>>
>> Is it possible to fix bug 11555 or is it probably not possible because of
>> technical reasons? Would a fix be a very difficult work and there is no
>> time
>> for it now or in the next half year?
>
> As I said in comment 15 on that bug,[1] it should be possible to
> commit a fix at any time, but I need permission from Brion, because it
> will break things and he got annoyed at me the last time I tried to do
> this.

Would it perhaps be possible to add a new option to the preferences which
allows users with account to deactivate the result of the bug fix? Then
nothing will break, nobody has to become angry and lots of blind readers
without account will be happy. Just my user thoughts.

> [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11555#c15

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Reisender at online

Jun 24, 2008, 8:07 AM

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Re: Bug 11555 - huge usability problem for blindreaders [In reply to]

From: "Gregory Maxwell" <gmaxwell[at]gmail.com>

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Platonides <Platonides[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>> Per, what's the usefulness of section edit links for blind people?
>
> I'd presume that iff they are going to edit it would be very helpful,
> because beginning a deep edit at the top of the article would be very
> cumbersome... but it's been a long time since I've seen a screen
> reader in use.. I have no clue what the modern tools are like.

You are right, section edit links are very helpful. Having only the edit
page option would be dissatisfying. The section edit links are just at the
wrong place.

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Jun 24, 2008, 10:34 AM

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Re: Bug 11555 - huge usability problem for blindreaders [In reply to]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Per <Reisender[at]online.de> wrote:
> Would it perhaps be possible to add a new option to the preferences which
> allows users with account to deactivate the result of the bug fix? Then
> nothing will break, nobody has to become angry and lots of blind readers
> without account will be happy. Just my user thoughts.

No, because that's a half-arsed fix. Adding kludges and hacks to work
around something because you're too afraid to do it properly is not a
good way to design software.

However, you could probably use some custom JS to move the section
edit link around, the way the German and French Wikipedias (inter
alia) do.

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