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Reisender at online

Jun 23, 2008, 1:41 AM

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Bug 11555 - huge usability problem for blind readers

Sorry for this question but the answer is important for all blind Wikipedia
readers around the world.

Is it possible to fix bug 11555 or is it probably not possible because of
technical reasons? Would a fix be a very difficult work and there is no time
for it now or in the next half year?

A fix would be a huge improvement for the usability experience of blind
screen reader users. As it seems, only the German Wikipedia and a few other
projects have this great improvement which makes navigating on Mediawiki
pages much better for blind readers like me. Wikipedia have masses of blind
readers but only users with account can use a JS snippet or this proposed
gadget in the future:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals#Gadget_to_move_the_section_edit_links_right_next_to_the_headings

Most blind readers won't never create an account because of the CAPTCHA
problem or because they just want to read but not to contribute. The best
solution would be a bug fix for 11555 if possible. This would also be the
answer wether the proposed gadget is even necessary or not. Thank you.

Best, Per
(en.W: Lalue)

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Jun 23, 2008, 6:19 AM

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Re: Bug 11555 - huge usability problem for blind readers [In reply to]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Per <Reisender [at] online> wrote:
> Sorry for this question but the answer is important for all blind Wikipedia
> readers around the world.
>
> Is it possible to fix bug 11555 or is it probably not possible because of
> technical reasons? Would a fix be a very difficult work and there is no time
> for it now or in the next half year?

As I said in comment 15 on that bug,[1] it should be possible to
commit a fix at any time, but I need permission from Brion, because it
will break things and he got annoyed at me the last time I tried to do
this.

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11555#c15

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Platonides at gmail

Jun 24, 2008, 6:45 AM

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Re: Bug 11555 - huge usability problem for blind readers [In reply to]

Per wrote:
> Sorry for this question but the answer is important for all blind Wikipedia
> readers around the world.
>
> A fix would be a huge improvement for the usability experience of blind
> screen reader users.

What about display: none .editsection for aural and braille medias?
(probably also advisable for other elements hidden on print such as
toctoggle)
At least *I* would be annoyed by a text2speech telling me 'edit' on each
header when reading an article, and a braille tactile has less 'reading
bandwidth'...

Per, what's the usefulness of section edit links for blind people?

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Jun 24, 2008, 6:55 AM

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Re: Bug 11555 - huge usability problem for blind readers [In reply to]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Platonides <Platonides [at] gmail> wrote:
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> Per, what's the usefulness of section edit links for blind people?

I'd presume that iff they are going to edit it would be very helpful,
because beginning a deep edit at the top of the article would be very
cumbersome... but it's been a long time since I've seen a screen
reader in use.. I have no clue what the modern tools are like.

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