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<title>Re: secure slower and slower</title>
<description>Steve Bennett wrote: &amp;gt; For my own information, I tried secure, and made an edit. It wasn&amp;#039;t &amp;gt; much slower than a normal non-secure edit (eg, 2 seconds)</description>
<pubDate>04 Jul  2009 10:13:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>* Aryeh Gregor &amp;lt;Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com&amp;gt; [.Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:15:48 -0400]: &amp;gt; Hmm. Smarty looks interesting, at a quick glance. I suspect it&amp;#039;s</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 23:37:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: FlaggedRevs for Mediawiki.org?</title>
<description>Chad wrote: &amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Steve Bennett&amp;lt;stevagewp@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;  &amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Chad&amp;lt;innocentkiller@</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 21:21:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: $300K grant for Wikimedia Commons</title>
<description>It sure does look good! I have a question: the extension project I&amp;#039;m working on needs a customized upload interface for its own Special: pages - th</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 19:58:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: FlaggedRevs for Mediawiki.org?</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Steve Bennett&amp;lt;stevagewp@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Chad&amp;lt;innocentkiller@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 17:20:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: can&amp;#039;t comment on techblog from TW</title>
<description>OK, I read http://techblog.wikimedia.org/about/ and signed up with https://techblog.wikimedia.org/wp-login.php?action=register and logged in with the</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 16:03:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Petr Kadlec&amp;lt;petr.kadlec@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; And they might depend on the server load at the time Probably not too muc</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 12:16:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Sergey Chernyshev&amp;lt;sergey.chernyshev@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; I think you&amp;#039;re confusing simple logic of ParserFunctions in th</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 12:15:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>2009/7/3 Aryeh Gregor &amp;lt;Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; But time limits are inconsistent.  Whether a template hits the limit &amp;gt; might depend on wheth</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 10:37:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>I think you&amp;#039;re confusing simple logic of ParserFunctions in the template with a full scripting language like PHP. That&amp;#039;s why I proposed to look at so</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 10:27:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Tim Starling wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; * PHP &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Advantage: Lots of webbish people have some experience with PHP or can &amp;gt;&amp;gt; easily find references. &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Advantage:</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 10:00:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Tim Starling&amp;lt;tstarling@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Loops are essential for readable code. There is no problem with &amp;gt; allow</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 09:54:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: (no subject)</title>
<description>Chad schrieb: &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m not sure what you&amp;#039;re proposing here. I think the &amp;gt; primary problem isn&amp;#039;t &amp;quot;where are the docs?&amp;quot; but rather &amp;gt; &amp;quot;how good are the docs</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 09:03:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Power outage in Amsterdam servers</title>
<description>Brion Vibber wrote: &amp;gt; (If your DNS is still seeing the old entries, you can manually configure &amp;gt; your browser to use the US proxy: rr.pmtpa.wikimedia</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 08:26:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>* Andrew Garrett &amp;lt;agarrett@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; [.Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:03:03 +0100]: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Writing an interpreter for a language is not trivial. Writing it in</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 07:56:21 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: (no subject)</title>
<description>I&amp;#039;m not sure what you&amp;#039;re proposing here. I think the primary problem isn&amp;#039;t &amp;quot;where are the docs?&amp;quot; but rather &amp;quot;how good are the docs?&amp;quot; A great example</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 06:23:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: (no subject)</title>
<description>Sorry for double mail; Can we imagine a search motor that can look into : 1 - The mailing lists where users can ask questions 2 - The main forums 3 -</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 06:10:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>What about a search motor wich can find information into thoose mailings ? This is not a &amp;quot;solution&amp;quot; but this is a way to make the users able to find i</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 06:03:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On 03/07/2009, at 11:00 AM, Bryan Tong Minh wrote: &amp;gt; On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Brion Vibber&amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt;  &amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; I&amp;#039;d really _l</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 05:03:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>&amp;gt; -----Original Message----- &amp;gt; From: wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org &amp;gt; [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of &amp;gt; Dmitriy</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 03:41:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Brion Vibber&amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;d really _like_ to be able to avoid having to require external &amp;gt; execut</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 03:00:05 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170460</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Steve Bennett &amp;lt;stevagewp@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Brion Vibber&amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote:</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 02:49:23 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170459</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Steve Sanbeg wrote: &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;d assume we want locked down. Loops would be hard in any locked-down &amp;gt; environment; I don&amp;#039;t recall seeing any recommendation</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 00:13:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>* Brion Vibber &amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; [Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:18:14 -0700]: &amp;gt; Aryeh Gregor wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I was assuming it would just return wikitext, and th</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 23:47:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: FlaggedRevs for Mediawiki.org?</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Chad &amp;lt;innocentkiller@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; All, &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I had this idea cross my mind earlier today, but I got so tied up &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 21:48:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: FlaggedRevs for Mediawiki.org?</title>
<description>Steve Bennett wrote: &amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Chad&amp;lt;innocentkiller@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; A lot of the docs have been written by people other t</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 21:23:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: FlaggedRevs for Mediawiki.org?</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Chad&amp;lt;innocentkiller@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; A lot of the docs have been written by people other than developers, Ever me</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 21:03:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Marco Schuster&amp;lt;marco@harddisk.is-a-geek.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; You can make some kind of counter, which gets incremented each</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:42:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Marco Schuster&amp;lt;marco@harddisk.is-a-geek.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; You can make some kind of counter, which gets incremented each</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:34:38 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170434</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Marco Schuster&amp;lt;marco@harddisk.is-a-geek.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Aryeh Gregor &amp;gt; &amp;lt;Simetrical+wikil</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:30:33 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170433</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Aryeh Gregor &amp;lt;Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com&amp;lt;Simetrical%2Bwikilist@gmail.com&amp;gt; &amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:18</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:25:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Steve Bennett&amp;lt;stevagewp@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; So: &amp;gt; 1) The chosen language will support iteration over finite sets &amp;gt; 2)</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:22:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Brion Vibber&amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Since iteration over a set is frequently desired/needed, assume it will &amp;gt; e</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:18:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>FlaggedRevs for Mediawiki.org?</title>
<description>All, I had this idea cross my mind earlier today, but I got so tied up in meetings that I couldn&amp;#039;t sit down and write out a proper e-mail until this</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 18:07:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Michael Daly wrote: &amp;gt; Brion Vibber wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; The ideal markup situation for the article namespace is that markup &amp;gt;&amp;gt; shouldn&amp;#039;t even *be* exposed to</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 14:38:17 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170400</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Michael Daly&amp;lt;michael.daly@kayakwiki.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Brion Vibber wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; The ideal markup situation for the article</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 14:34:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Power outage in Amsterdam servers</title>
<description>This seems to be a power outage at our European proxy caching cluster; Mark may be able to provide some more details. European traffic has been rero</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 13:55:00 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170397</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Brion Vibber wrote: &amp;gt; The ideal markup situation for the article namespace is that markup &amp;gt; shouldn&amp;#039;t even *be* exposed to most users. A long-term g</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 13:39:39 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170398</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Brion Vibber wrote: &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;d really _like_ to be able to avoid having to require external &amp;gt; executables either, if it can be managed, but that&amp;#039;s harder</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 12:03:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>&amp;gt; I&amp;#039;d really _like_ to be able to avoid having to require external &amp;gt; executables either, if it can be managed, but that&amp;#039;s harder since it &amp;gt; means havi</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 10:48:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Gregory Maxwell wrote: &amp;gt; So&#039; Any thoughts on how you address the universal problem of the DOS &amp;gt; attack script? [snip] &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m of the impression that</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 10:32:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Tim Starling wrote: &amp;gt; I think Rhino would be an easier path to JavaScript execution than &amp;gt; SpiderMonkey. You can pass an -Xmx option to the java VM, a</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 10:27:56 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170384</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>I wrote: &amp;gt; [...] &amp;gt;  Personally, whatever programming language would be chosen, &amp;gt; I really like Aryeh&amp;#039;s approach to sanitize and &amp;quot;compile&amp;quot; the &amp;gt; temp</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 10:26:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Aryeh Gregor wrote: &amp;gt; I was assuming it would just return wikitext, and that would be &amp;gt; integrated into the page and parsed, following all limits on w</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 10:18:14 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170368</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Michael Daly wrote: &amp;gt; Chad wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Unless we plan on trying to mass-convert not only years of old revisions &amp;gt;&amp;gt; but change years-old behavior that</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 10:11:51 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170367</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Brian wrote: &amp;gt; There are lots of usability improvements that can be made to the &amp;gt; templating system. First and foremost the new system should allow &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 10:08:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: button action in form problem</title>
<description>----- Mail d&amp;#039;origine ----- De: Ahmad Sherif &amp;lt;ahmad.m.sherif@gmail.com&amp;gt; À: Wikimedia developers &amp;lt;wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org&amp;gt; Envoyé: Thu, 2 Jul 2</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 08:05:29 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170357</link>
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<title>Re: button action in form problem</title>
<description>Bryan Tong Minh is right, use Xml::openElement instead of wfElement and you don&amp;#039;t have to do the same for the submit button. Only make sure you close</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 07:17:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: secure slower and slower</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:39 AM, William Allen Simpson&amp;lt;william.allen.simpson@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; William Allen Simpson wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; So, I&amp;#039;ve reverted to t</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 06:58:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: button action in form problem</title>
<description>----- Mail Original ----- De: &amp;quot;Chad&amp;quot; &amp;lt;innocentkiller@gmail.com&amp;gt; À: &amp;quot;Wikimedia developers&amp;quot; &amp;lt;wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org&amp;gt; Envoyé: Jeudi 2 Juillet 2</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 06:53:06 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: button action in form problem</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, &amp;lt;sancelot@free.fr&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; ----- Mail d&amp;#039;origine ----- &amp;gt; De: Bryan Tong Minh &amp;lt;bryan.tongminh@gmail.com&amp;gt; &amp;gt; À: Wikime</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 05:59:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: button action in form problem</title>
<description>----- Mail d&amp;#039;origine ----- De: Bryan Tong Minh &amp;lt;bryan.tongminh@gmail.com&amp;gt; À: Wikimedia developers &amp;lt;wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org&amp;gt; Envoyé: Thu, 2 Ju</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 05:53:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: button action in form problem</title>
<description>On 02/07/2009, at 12:22 PM, sancelot@free.fr wrote: &amp;gt; On 02/07/2009, at 10:02 AM, sancelot@free.fr wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi, &amp;gt;&amp;gt; I have got an extension with a</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 04:34:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: button action in form problem</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:22 PM, &amp;lt;sancelot@free.fr&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; ----- Mail Original ----- &amp;gt; De: &amp;quot;Andrew Garrett&amp;quot; &amp;lt;agarrett@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; &amp;gt; : &amp;quot;Wikimedi</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 04:32:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>----- Mail Original ----- De: &amp;quot;Andrew Garrett&amp;quot; &amp;lt;agarrett@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; À: &amp;quot;Wikimedia developers&amp;quot; &amp;lt;wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org&amp;gt; Envoyé: Jeudi 2 J</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 04:22:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On 02/07/2009, at 10:02 AM, sancelot@free.fr wrote: &amp;gt; Hi, &amp;gt; I have got an extension with a form and a submit button (mw 1.14) &amp;gt; the problem is when I</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 04:19:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Michael Daly &amp;lt;michael.daly@kayakwiki.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; [...] &amp;gt; Since $ doesn&amp;#039;t have a close, that makes things like {{{xxx|default &amp;gt; value}}} slightly pr</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 03:14:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Hi, I have got an extension with a form and a submit button (mw 1.14) the problem is when I submit the form button, the search action is performed ins</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 02:02:44 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170325</link>
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<title>Re: $300K grant for Wikimedia Commons</title>
<description>This is excellent news. For those who haven&amp;#039;t seen it in action, Michael Dale&amp;#039;s work on the upload workflow is looking awesome. I&amp;#039;m sure this grant wi</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 21:06:47 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170316</link>
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<title>Re: $300K grant for Wikimedia Commons</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Erik Moeller&amp;lt;erik@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/f/f9/WMF_Ford_Multimedia_Par</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 20:51:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>All, I&amp;#039;m very happy to announce that the Ford Foundation has awarded a $300,000 grant to the Wikimedia Foundation to improve our interfaces and workf</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 18:30:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:53:36 +0100, Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt; 2009/6/30 Steve Sanbeg &amp;lt;ssanbeg@ask.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:38:07 +0100, Thomas Da</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 12:47:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:42:31 +0400, Dmitriy Sintsov wrote:  &amp;gt; XSLT itself is a way too much locked down - even simple things like &amp;gt; substrings manip</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 12:43:06 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170281</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: &amp;gt; Is execution in enviroments where c modules are not possible actually &amp;gt; a hard requirement?</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 12:15:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Hay (Husky) wrote: &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m sorry that you seem to have such bad experiences with JavaScript. &amp;gt; Still, i don&amp;#039;t think your comments are really valid in to</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 11:08:05 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170266</link>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:21 AM, William Allen Simpson&amp;lt;william.allen.simpson@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; * Doesn&amp;#039;t inflate the number of languages used in t</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 10:57:23 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: secure slower and slower</title>
<description>William Allen Simpson wrote: &amp;gt; So, I&amp;#039;ve reverted to the old practice from the dog days of 2005-06, and &amp;gt; mostly edit in very off hours. Yet it slowed</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 10:39:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Trevor Parscal wrote: &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m glad to see I&amp;#039;m not alone. JavaScript can indeed invoke bad  &amp;gt; memories of fragile scripts running in IE5 which are long</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 10:30:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:26 PM, William Allen Simpson&amp;lt;william.allen.simpson@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; William Allen Simpson wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; I run Firefox with JS</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 08:37:30 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I run Firefox with JS off by default for all wikimedia sites, because of &amp;gt;&amp;gt; serious problems in the not so recent past! &amp;gt; s/recent/distant/ Hooray</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 08:36:58 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170244</link>
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<description>William Allen Simpson wrote: &amp;gt; I run Firefox with JS off by default for all wikimedia sites, because of &amp;gt; serious problems in the not so recent past!</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 08:26:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Hay (Husky) wrote: &amp;gt; Javascript might have gotten a bad name in the past because of 14-year &amp;gt; olds who used it to display &amp;#039;Welcome to my website!&amp;#039; ale</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 08:21:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>I&amp;#039;m glad to see I&amp;#039;m not alone. JavaScript can indeed invoke bad  memories of fragile scripts running in IE5 which are long and awkward  due to limit</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 08:03:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>&amp;gt; -----Original Message----- &amp;gt; From: wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org &amp;gt; [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of &amp;gt; Brion V</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 04:17:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Javascript might have gotten a bad name in the past because of 14-year olds who used it to display &amp;#039;Welcome to my website!&amp;#039; alerts on their Geocities</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 01:44:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:50 AM, William Allen Simpson&amp;lt;william.allen.simpson@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Javascript, OMG don&amp;#039;t go there. Don&amp;#039;t be so quick to</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 01:35:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Haven&amp;#039;t read the entire thread yet, so hopefully nobody has said this: Perl, write-once, poor choice for uncontrolled environment. Lisp, at least th</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 00:50:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>secure slower and slower</title>
<description>I&amp;#039;ve been using secure for login for months now, and at first it seemed pretty good, other than the inability to switch sites easily. (And always edit</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 00:25:06 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>* Gregory Maxwell &amp;lt;gmaxwell@gmail.com&amp;gt; [Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:17:24 -0400]: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Juniper Networks (my day job) uses XSLT as the primary scripting &amp;gt; langua</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 23:40:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov&amp;lt;questpc@rambler.ru&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; XSLT itself is a way too much locked down - even simple things like &amp;gt; sub</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 23:17:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>&amp;gt; 1 - XSLT &amp;gt; &amp;gt;  Since the syntax is XML (like the extensions tags) and XPath (vaguely &amp;gt;  similar to template syntax, although it&amp;#039;s XML that calls X</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 22:42:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Tim Starling&amp;lt;tstarling@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: [snip] &amp;gt; SpiderMonkey and Python both lack control over memory usage. P</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 21:46:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Brion Vibber&amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; As many folks have noted, our current templating system works ok for &amp;gt; si</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 21:26:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>2009/7/1 Michael Daly &amp;lt;michael.daly@kayakwiki.org&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Why not switch the template syntax for articles to match the syntax for &amp;gt; tags (which in turn is</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 21:18:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Robert Rohde wrote: &amp;gt; Makes it awfully ugly to pass the result of one template to another &amp;gt; template if your syntax is: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;lt;template name=&amp;quot;sometemp</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 20:53:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>Brion Vibber wrote: &amp;gt; There&amp;#039;s been talk of Lua as an embedded templating language for a while, &amp;gt; and there&amp;#039;s even an extension implementation. &amp;gt; &amp;gt; O</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 20:46:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Sergey Chernyshev&amp;lt;sergey.chernyshev@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; I don&amp;#039;t know about scripting languages for the templating, i</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 20:46:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>can&amp;#039;t comment on techblog from TW</title>
<description>http://techblog.wikimedia.org/wp-comments-post.php says: Your location has been identified as part of a reported spam network. Comments have been dis</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 20:01:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>I don&amp;#039;t know about scripting languages for the templating, it might be an overkill. When I was picking lower language for MediaWiki Widgets extension</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 19:45:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Michael Daly&amp;lt;michael.daly@kayakwiki.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Chad wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Unless we plan on trying to mass-convert not only</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 19:45:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Chad wrote: &amp;gt; Unless we plan on trying to mass-convert not only years of old revisions &amp;gt; but change years-old behavior that millions of users have co</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 19:27:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Thus the first line of a template would &amp;gt;&amp;gt; be the example of its use: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Template:foobar &amp;gt;&amp;gt; -------------------------------</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 19:11:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Robert Rohde&amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; In addition to resource limits, any scheme better make sure what&amp;#039;s &amp;gt; passed</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 18:33:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>http://jtemplates.tpython.com/ ? :) Trevor Parscal wrote: &amp;gt; Seems like JSON syntax is pretty simple and could be a big improvement  &amp;gt; to how templat</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 18:21:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: zh.wikipedia.org says &amp;quot;you are now logged in as $1&amp;quot;</title>
<description>&amp;gt; I logged in to zh.wikipedia.org and it says I am $1. &amp;gt; 您現在以「$1」的身分登入維基百&#039;。 Not bad. It&amp;#039;s me &amp;quot;Dollar One&amp;quot;. MC Dollar O</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 18:06:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Seems like JSON syntax is pretty simple and could be a big improvement  to how templates are currently invoked. Bottom line, a well defined syntax l</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 18:02:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Thomas Dalton&amp;lt;thomas.dalton@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; There is no proposal to replace wikitext with PHP (it wouldn&amp;#039;t even &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 17:56:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>2009/7/1 Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Thomas Dalton&amp;lt;thomas.dalton@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; What would you replace</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 17:43:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Thomas Dalton&amp;lt;thomas.dalton@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; What would you replace them with? The wikitext used by regular editor</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 17:41:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>Andrew Garrett wrote: &amp;gt; On 30/06/2009, at 9:42 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Brion Vibber&amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt;  &amp;gt;&amp;gt; w</description>
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