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nicholasbashour at gmail

Jun 20, 2012, 3:52 PM

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Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at the Library of Congress

Dear all,

All registered Wikimania attendees who will be present in Washington, DC on
the evening July 11 are invited to the Wikimania 2012 Google Opening
Reception, held in honor of the World Digital Library, at the Great Hall of
the Library of Congress' Thomas Jefferson Building from 7:00-8:30 PM
(19:00-20:30 EDT). This is a great opportunity to connect with other
Wikimania attendees, the Board of Trustees, and individuals from the
Washington, DC, area. There will be tours of the Library of Congress
provided, along with two exhibitions that will be open to attendees. We
will have beautiful music along with great food and drinks, and we will
have a short presentation on the World Digital Library and how it fits into
our global vision. It will be an amazing event in a spectacular venue, and
we look forward to sharing it with you.

For more details and to add your name to the list of attendees, please
visit http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google_Reception.

Sincerely,

Nicholas Michael Bashour
President
Wikimedia District of Columbia
Washington, DC, USA

lodewijk at effeietsanders

Jun 23, 2012, 5:43 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at the Library of Congress [In reply to]

For this mailing list: there has been a discussion about the dress code on
internal-l (probably shifted there by accident). Some people feel that the
dresscode is overreaching and unfit for Wikimania. It was assured by the
organizers that local costumes (from your own country: saris, kimonos, or
whatever is considered semi-formal wear) is allowed.

As for the general event dress code: I find it personally a bit out of
style for a Wikimania - but it is no huge deal for me from a view other
than practical. I'm not sure if I will attend or not, it apparently will
depend if I want to make space in my limited luggage for a suit which I
only will wear one evening instead of clothes for the rest of the 2 weeks
or stroopwafels.

Best,
Lodewijk

2012/6/21 Nicholas Michael Bashour <nicholasbashour [at] gmail>

> Dear all,
>
> All registered Wikimania attendees who will be present in Washington, DC
> on the evening July 11 are invited to the Wikimania 2012 Google Opening
> Reception, held in honor of the World Digital Library, at the Great Hall of
> the Library of Congress' Thomas Jefferson Building from 7:00-8:30 PM
> (19:00-20:30 EDT). This is a great opportunity to connect with other
> Wikimania attendees, the Board of Trustees, and individuals from the
> Washington, DC, area. There will be tours of the Library of Congress
> provided, along with two exhibitions that will be open to attendees. We
> will have beautiful music along with great food and drinks, and we will
> have a short presentation on the World Digital Library and how it fits into
> our global vision. It will be an amazing event in a spectacular venue, and
> we look forward to sharing it with you.
>
> For more details and to add your name to the list of attendees, please
> visit http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google_Reception.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Nicholas Michael Bashour
> President
> Wikimedia District of Columbia
> Washington, DC, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l [at] lists
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>

hjmitchell at ymail

Jun 23, 2012, 5:59 AM

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Not picking on you, Lodewijk, but why on Earth is that being discussed on a private mailing list to which the vast majority of likely attendees don't have access?

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________________________________
From: Lodewijk <lodewijk [at] effeietsanders>
To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) <wikimania-l [at] lists>
Sent: Saturday, 23 June 2012, 13:43
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at the Library of Congress

For this mailing list: there has been a discussion about the dress code on internal-l (probably shifted there by accident). Some people feel that the dresscode is overreaching and unfit for Wikimania. It was assured by the organizers that local costumes (from your own country: saris, kimonos, or whatever is considered semi-formal wear) is allowed.

As for the general event dress code: I find it personally a bit out of style for a Wikimania - but it is no huge deal for me from a view other than practical. I'm not sure if I will attend or not, it apparently will depend if I want to make space in my limited luggage for a suit which I only will wear one evening instead of clothes for the rest of the 2 weeks or stroopwafels.

Best,
Lodewijk

2012/6/21 Nicholas Michael Bashour <nicholasbashour [at] gmail>

Dear all,
>
>All registered Wikimania attendees who will be present in Washington, DC on the evening July 11 are invited to the Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception, held in honor of the World Digital Library, at the Great Hall of the Library of Congress' Thomas Jefferson Building from 7:00-8:30 PM (19:00-20:30 EDT). This is a great opportunity to connect with other Wikimania attendees, the Board of Trustees, and individuals from the Washington, DC, area. There will be tours of the Library of Congress provided, along with two exhibitions that will be open to attendees. We will have beautiful music along with great food and drinks, and we will have a short presentation on the World Digital Library and how it fits into our global vision. It will be an amazing event in a spectacular venue, and we look forward to sharing it with you.
>
>For more details and to add your name to the list of attendees, please visit http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google_Reception.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Nicholas Michael Bashour
>President
>Wikimedia District of Columbia
>Washington, DC, USA
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wikimania-l mailing list
>Wikimania-l [at] lists
>https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>

_______________________________________________
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lodewijk at effeietsanders

Jun 23, 2012, 6:10 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at the Library of Congress [In reply to]

I think simply an honest mistake of picking the wrong reply button :) (the
announcement was sent there too). That is why I summarized the most
relevant points of the discussion here.

Lodewijk

2012/6/23 HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell [at] ymail>

> Not picking on you, Lodewijk, but why on Earth is that being discussed on
> a private mailing list to which the vast majority of likely attendees don't
> have access?
>
> ----
> Harry Mitchell
> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> Phone: 024 7698 0977
> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Lodewijk <lodewijk [at] effeietsanders>
> *To:* Wikimania general list (open subscription) <
> wikimania-l [at] lists>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 23 June 2012, 13:43
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at
> the Library of Congress
>
> For this mailing list: there has been a discussion about the dress code on
> internal-l (probably shifted there by accident). Some people feel that the
> dresscode is overreaching and unfit for Wikimania. It was assured by the
> organizers that local costumes (from your own country: saris, kimonos, or
> whatever is considered semi-formal wear) is allowed.
>
> As for the general event dress code: I find it personally a bit out of
> style for a Wikimania - but it is no huge deal for me from a view other
> than practical. I'm not sure if I will attend or not, it apparently will
> depend if I want to make space in my limited luggage for a suit which I
> only will wear one evening instead of clothes for the rest of the 2 weeks
> or stroopwafels.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2012/6/21 Nicholas Michael Bashour <nicholasbashour [at] gmail>
>
> Dear all,
>
> All registered Wikimania attendees who will be present in Washington, DC
> on the evening July 11 are invited to the Wikimania 2012 Google Opening
> Reception, held in honor of the World Digital Library, at the Great Hall of
> the Library of Congress' Thomas Jefferson Building from 7:00-8:30 PM
> (19:00-20:30 EDT). This is a great opportunity to connect with other
> Wikimania attendees, the Board of Trustees, and individuals from the
> Washington, DC, area. There will be tours of the Library of Congress
> provided, along with two exhibitions that will be open to attendees. We
> will have beautiful music along with great food and drinks, and we will
> have a short presentation on the World Digital Library and how it fits into
> our global vision. It will be an amazing event in a spectacular venue, and
> we look forward to sharing it with you.
>
> For more details and to add your name to the list of attendees, please
> visit http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google_Reception.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Nicholas Michael Bashour
> President
> Wikimedia District of Columbia
> Washington, DC, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l [at] lists
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l [at] lists
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l [at] lists
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>

thomas.dalton at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 6:21 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at the Library of Congress [In reply to]

On 23 June 2012 14:10, Lodewijk <lodewijk [at] effeietsanders> wrote:
> I think simply an honest mistake of picking the wrong reply button :) (the
> announcement was sent there too). That is why I summarized the most relevant
> points of the discussion here.

Yes, I expect it was an honest mistake from the first person to reply,
and then everyone else was just replying to each other. I didn't
realise I was sending emails to internal-l, I thought we were on
Wikimania-l (that's the tag in the subject line).

Lodewijk commented (and I'm sure he won't mind me repeating it for
this list before I reply) that not everyone will necessarily own
suitable clothes. I find that very unlikely. The dress code really
isn't a excessive one (just smart trousers and a shirt, or a nice
summer dress, would be fine by my understanding - there's no need for
jackets and ties). Who doesn't have something smart to wear to
weddings, funeral, job interviews, first dates,
church/synagogue/mosque/temple, etc.? There are so many things that it
is normal to dress reasonable smartly for that I would be very
surprised if a Wikimania opening reception was the first such event
someone has ever attended.

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steven.walling at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 10:51 AM

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On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>wrote:

> Yes, I expect it was an honest mistake from the first person to reply,
> and then everyone else was just replying to each other. I didn't
> realise I was sending emails to internal-l, I thought we were on
> Wikimania-l (that's the tag in the subject line).
>

I was the first person to reply, and it was not a mistake. I replied to the
original announcement on Internal-l because I didn't want to start a
publicly-archived thread second guessing them and criticizing them. People
tend to take negative feedback better when not performed in a public forum
where everyone and their mother will pile on. It gave Nicholas the chance
to reply before sending a public announcement, and he did so quite
professionally. I don't personally consider the matter one that requires a
big public debate.

Steven

deror_avi at yahoo

Jun 23, 2012, 11:08 AM

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Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at the Library of Congress [In reply to]

So, what is the dress code? Suite, Tie, or just a nice buttoned shirt?
Deror

hjmitchell at ymail

Jun 23, 2012, 11:09 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at the Library of Congress [In reply to]

Neither do I, but we, as a community and as a movement, strive for "openness", which means (except when private information is involved) not holding discussions in camera.

Personally, I think it's nice to have something to make an effort for, and I'm sure I can find room for a shirt, a tie, and a smart pair of trousers in my bag. No event will ever suit everybody, and there will always be a few - no matter what the event - who don't consider it to be their cup of tea. However, I also think it's important that the "internals" remember that the outsiders make up the overwhelming majority of Wikimania attendees and Wikimedians.

(Apologies if I'm being an arse, but holding discussions that should be public on private mailing lists is a pet peeve of mine)

----
Harry Mitchell
http://enwp.org/User:HJ

Phone: 024 7698 0977
Skype: harry_j_mitchell

________________________________
From: Steven Walling <steven.walling [at] gmail>
To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) <wikimania-l [at] lists>
Sent: Saturday, 23 June 2012, 18:51
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012 Google Opening Reception at the Library of Congress

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail> wrote:

Yes, I expect it was an honest mistake from the first person to reply,
>and then everyone else was just replying to each other. I didn't
>realise I was sending emails to internal-l, I thought we were on
>Wikimania-l (that's the tag in the subject line).

I was the first person to reply, and it was not a mistake. I replied to the original announcement on Internal-l because I didn't want to start a publicly-archived thread second guessing them and criticizing them. People tend to take negative feedback better when not performed in a public forum where everyone and their mother will pile on. It gave Nicholas the chance to reply before sending a public announcement, and he did so quite professionally. I don't personally consider the matter one that requires a big public debate.

Steven

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josephfoxwiki at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 11:12 AM

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Semi-formal, so I would think a shirt and trousers, probably with a tie, are a definite yes. If you have space for a suit then maybe that is a better pick.

Joe

On 24 Jun 2012, at 02:08, Deror Avi wrote:

> So, what is the dress code? Suite, Tie, or just a nice buttoned shirt?
> Deror
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thomas.dalton at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 11:27 AM

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On 23 June 2012 19:12, Joseph Fox <josephfoxwiki [at] gmail> wrote:
> Semi-formal, so I would think a shirt and trousers, probably with a tie, are
> a definite yes. If you have space for a suit then maybe that is a better
> pick.

Can I suggest people avoid terms like "semi-formal"? It's so ambiguous
as to be meaningless. Black-tie is (well, was) sometimes described as
"informal evening wear" (with white-tie being formal), so
"semi-formal" could even describe something more formal than
black-tie. You're using it to mean something even less formal than a
lounge suit. That's a very wide range!

Unless you are setting a dress code that is clearly an unambiguously
defined (like "black-tie" or "morning wear"), then don't give it a
name. Just describe what you mean. I would describe the dress code the
organisers seem to be trying to go for as:

"Smart trousers and shirt, jacket and tie optional, for men. Similar,
or a smart dress for women. Equivalent national dress is also
welcome."

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messedrocker at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 11:31 AM

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On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail> wrote:
> On 23 June 2012 19:12, Joseph Fox <josephfoxwiki [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Semi-formal, so I would think a shirt and trousers, probably with a tie, are
>> a definite yes. If you have space for a suit then maybe that is a better
>> pick.
>
> Can I suggest people avoid terms like "semi-formal"? It's so ambiguous
> as to be meaningless. Black-tie is (well, was) sometimes described as
> "informal evening wear" (with white-tie being formal), so
> "semi-formal" could even describe something more formal than
> black-tie. You're using it to mean something even less formal than a
> lounge suit. That's a very wide range!
>
> Unless you are setting a dress code that is clearly an unambiguously
> defined (like "black-tie" or "morning wear"), then don't give it a
> name. Just describe what you mean. I would describe the dress code the
> organisers seem to be trying to go for as:
>
> "Smart trousers and shirt, jacket and tie optional, for men. Similar,
> or a smart dress for women. Equivalent national dress is also
> welcome."

I think that describes exactly what we want. (And even if you can't,
you're still allowed to come.)

James Hare

>
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nemowiki at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 11:39 AM

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Thomas Dalton, 23/06/2012 20:27:
> On 23 June 2012 19:12, Joseph Fox<josephfoxwiki [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Semi-formal, so I would think a shirt and trousers, probably with a tie, are
>> a definite yes. If you have space for a suit then maybe that is a better
>> pick.
>
> Can I suggest people avoid terms like "semi-formal"?

Quite hard as long as it's in the official event description. ;-)

James Hare, 23/06/2012 20:31:
>> "Smart trousers and shirt, jacket and tie optional, for men. Similar,
>> or a smart dress for women. Equivalent national dress is also
>> welcome."
>
> I think that describes exactly what we want. (And even if you can't,
> you're still allowed to come.)

How about updating
https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google_Reception then?

Nemo

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thomas.dalton at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 11:50 AM

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On 23 June 2012 19:39, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki [at] gmail> wrote:
> Thomas Dalton, 23/06/2012 20:27:
>> Can I suggest people avoid terms like "semi-formal"?
>
> Quite hard as long as it's in the official event description. ;-)

By "people" I did primarily mean people writing official event descriptions!

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andy at pigsonthewing

Jun 23, 2012, 12:15 PM

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On 23 June 2012 14:21, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail> wrote:

> The dress code really isn't a excessive one (just smart trousers and a shirt, or a nice
> summer dress, would be fine by my understanding - there's no need for
> jackets and ties).

Maybe I'll wear a nice summer dress, then ;-)

> Who doesn't have something smart to wear to
> weddings, funeral, job interviews, first dates,
> church/synagogue/mosque/temple, etc.?

People tavelling between continents.

--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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thomas.dalton at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 12:21 PM

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On 23 June 2012 20:15, Andy Mabbett <andy [at] pigsonthewing> wrote:
>> Who doesn't have something smart to wear to
>> weddings, funeral, job interviews, first dates,
>> church/synagogue/mosque/temple, etc.?
>
> People tavelling between continents.

The point I was responding to was that people may not own suitable
clothes. That they are a burden to transport is a separate point.

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cyriel at wmnederland

Jun 23, 2012, 2:44 PM

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2012/6/23 Andy Mabbett <andy [at] pigsonthewing>

> On 23 June 2012 14:21, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> > The dress code really isn't a excessive one (just smart trousers and a
> shirt, or a nice
> > summer dress, would be fine by my understanding - there's no need for
> > jackets and ties).
>
> Maybe I'll wear a nice summer dress, then ;-)
>

And because I don't have a dress (I actually don't own one), I should bring
my wooden clogs? Hmmmm....
I'm going with Lodewijk on this one: stroopwafels all the way!

--
Vriendelijke groet,
Cyriel

thomas.dalton at gmail

Jun 23, 2012, 2:48 PM

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On Jun 23, 2012 10:44 PM, "Cyriel Brusse" <cyriel [at] wmnederland> wrote:
>
> And because I don't have a dress (I actually don't own one), I should
bring my wooden clogs? Hmmmm....
> I'm going with Lodewijk on this one: stroopwafels all the way!

If Lady Gaga can wear a dress of meat, I'm sure you can wear a dress of
stroopwafels!

cyriel at wmnederland

Jun 23, 2012, 3:03 PM

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2012/6/23 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>

> On Jun 23, 2012 10:44 PM, "Cyriel Brusse" <cyriel [at] wmnederland> wrote:
> >
> > And because I don't have a dress (I actually don't own one), I should
> bring my wooden clogs? Hmmmm....
> > I'm going with Lodewijk on this one: stroopwafels all the way!
>
> If Lady Gaga can wear a dress of meat, I'm sure you can wear a dress of
> stroopwafels!
>
Lol, and now you're comparing me to Lady Gaga?
I'm not really sure whether I should read this as a compliment or an
insult... :))

Stroopwafels on the other hand, are in my opinion best served when the
syrup is getting just a bit runny: body-heat in a Washington heat-wave
might just do the trick.

--
Vriendelijke groet,
Cyriel

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