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And I live in Iran, which US has no embassy, so I have travel to turkey or
UAE for the visa at least two times, to apply for the visa, 6 month is the
minimum time that i need to apply
Mardetanha


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> Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.
> It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two
> months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other
> countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky
> and always can be denied.
>
> _____________________
> MateusNobre
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> 30440865
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>
> From: mateus.nobre [at] live
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> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:41:09 +0300
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, but not all brazilians editors follow these lists.
>
> A good idea too give priority to whom already have the visa. This could
> avoid problems to Wikimania staff.
>
> _____________________
> MateusNobre
> MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> (+55) 85 88393509
> 30440865
>
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:36:20 +0000
> From: berialima [at] gmail
> To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
>
> wikimediabr-l [at] lists is there for this.
>
> We also have wikipt [at] lists , lista [at] wikimedia and
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada (if you can't
> follow any of those list and is brasilian I don't know what else they can
> be ;) )
> _____
> B?ria Lima
> (351) 925 171 484
>
> Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> estamos a fazer.
>
>
>
>
> On 1 November 2011 20:29, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> For me it's easy. But it could catch someone by surprise and this someone
> may not have the visa. And take a U.S. visa in six months in some countries
> is really hard....
>
>
>
> _____________________
> MateusNobre
>
> MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> (+55) 85 88393509
>
> 30440865
>
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:26:02 +0000
> From: berialima [at] gmail
>
> To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
>
> How that can be possible if the answers to scholarship applications are
> made in January - March? I would suggest to - If you applied for the
> scholarship - send a mail to the USA embassy scheduling the request for
> visa. If takes at least 3 months, will be done only in Feb (if you request
> now - December is a dead month in Brazil) and by them, you will have a
> result for your application.
>
> _____
> B?ria Lima
> (351) 925 171 484
>
> Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> estamos a fazer.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 November 2011 20:20, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#countries
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> As you know in 2012, United States will held Wikimania at Washington D.C.!
> Yeah.
>
> But make a Wikimania in U.S.A. have some problems, you probably know it
> but I wanna clarify to you.
>
>
>
> U.S. just dispense visas to thirty-six nations. All of the dozens left
> over need a visa to enter in.
>
> Last year I was selected to attend Wikimania 2011 at Haifa (the best
> moments ever in my life, btw, would love to support Washington too, ops
> :D) and WMF contacted me six months before.
>
>
> In this ''six months before'' have one problem.
>
> In Brazil (not only, but in the most countries that need the visa) we take
> 3 months to schedule (and get some free time - it's vacation in Brazil and
> the people wanna travel) the visit to U.S. Embassy to require the visa.
> When we requite the visa, we take more 3~~4 months to receive the answer of
> Embassy. Over 6 months. And half per cent of the visas are denied. We could
> appeal, and would take more two months.
>
>
>
> It would be the biggest problem ever in a Wikimania organization. And
> happens in a really lot of countries which need a visa to enter in U.S.A.
>
> I suggest to announce to the people who live in that countries early.
> Earliest as possible. Maybe 8 or 9 months before... Take a visa to US
> really isn't easy.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> _____________________
> MateusNobre
>
>
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> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>
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> On 1 November 2011 20:44, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
> > Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.
> > It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two
> > months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other
> > countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky
> > and always can be denied.
>
> I meant 2 months from now, so about 6 months before the conference.
> That should be enough time, but we would need to start accepting
> scholarship applications within the next week or two, really.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:48:57 +0000
> From: B?ria Lima <berialima [at] gmail>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)"
> <wikimania-l [at] lists>
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> Any visa can be denied, Mateus. And there are a waiting list for Wikimania
> scholarship. You don't need to worry, no scholarship will be wasted.
> _____
> *B?ria Lima*
> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
>
>
> On 1 November 2011 20:44, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
>
> > Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.
> > It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two
> > months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other
> > countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky
> > and always can be denied.
> >
> > _____________________
> > MateusNobre
> > *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> > (+55) 85 88393509
> > 30440865
> > *
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > From: mateus.nobre [at] live
> > To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:41:09 +0300
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> >
> > Yeah, but not all brazilians editors follow these lists.
> >
> > A good idea too give priority to whom already have the visa. This could
> > avoid problems to Wikimania staff.
> >
> >
> > _____________________
> > MateusNobre
> > *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> > (+55) 85 88393509
> > 30440865
> > *
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:36:20 +0000
> > From: berialima [at] gmail
> > To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> >
> > wikimediabr-l [at] lists is there for this.
> >
> > We also have wikipt [at] lists , lista [at] wikimedia and
> > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada<
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia%3aEsplanada>(if you can't
> follow any of those list and is brasilian I don't know what
> > else they can be ;) )
> > _____
> > *B?ria Lima*
> > <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
> >
> > *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> > estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
> >
> >
> > On 1 November 2011 20:29, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
> >
> > For me it's easy. But it could catch someone by surprise and this
> > someone may not have the visa. And take a U.S. visa in six months in some
> > countries is really hard....
> >
> >
> > _____________________
> > MateusNobre
> >
> > *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> > (+55) 85 88393509
> > 30440865
> > *
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:26:02 +0000
> > From: berialima [at] gmail
> >
> > To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> >
> > How that can be possible if the answers to scholarship applications are
> > made in January - March? I would suggest to - If you applied for the
> > scholarship - send a mail to the USA embassy scheduling the request for
> > visa. If takes at least 3 months, will be done only in Feb (if you
> request
> > now - December is a dead month in Brazil) and by them, you will have a
> > result for your application.
> > _____
> > *B?ria Lima*
> > <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
> >
> > *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> > estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
> >
> >
> > On 1 November 2011 20:20, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
> >
> > http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#countries
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > As you know in 2012, United States will held Wikimania at Washington
> D.C.!
> > Yeah.
> >
> > But make a Wikimania in U.S.A. have some problems, you probably know it
> > but I wanna clarify to you.
> >
> > U.S. just dispense visas to thirty-six nations. All of the dozens left
> > over need a visa to enter in.
> >
> > Last year I was selected to attend Wikimania 2011 at Haifa* (the best
> > moments ever in my life, btw, would love to support Washington too, ops
> :D)
> > * and WMF contacted me six months before.
> > In this ''six months before'' have one problem.
> >
> > In Brazil (not only, but in the most countries that need the visa) we
> take
> > 3 months to schedule (and get some free time - it's vacation in Brazil
> and
> > the people wanna travel) the visit to U.S. Embassy to require the visa.
> > When we requite the visa, we take more 3~~4 months to receive the answer
> of
> > Embassy. Over 6 months. And half per cent of the visas are denied. We
> could
> > appeal, and would take more two months.
> >
> > It would be the biggest problem ever in a Wikimania organization. And
> > happens in a really lot of countries which need a visa to enter in U.S.A.
> >
> > I suggest to announce to the people who live in that countries early.
> > Earliest as possible. Maybe 8 or 9 months before... Take a visa to US
> > really isn't easy.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > _____________________
> > MateusNobre
> > *Wikimedia Brasil - MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> > (+55) 85 88393509
> > 30440865
> > *
> >
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> >
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mateus.nobre at live

Nov 1, 2011, 2:17 PM

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I think it's better you advance your visa...

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From: mardetanha.wiki [at] gmail
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 00:32:08 +0330
To: wikimania-l [at] lists
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 68, Issue 4

And I live in Iran, which US has no embassy, so I have travel to turkey or UAE for the visa at least two times, to apply for the visa, 6 month is the minimum time that i need to apply Mardetanha





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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:44:59 +0300

From: Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live>

Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue

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Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.

It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky and always can be denied.





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From: mateus.nobre [at] live

To: wikimania-l [at] lists

Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:41:09 +0300

Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue

















Yeah, but not all brazilians editors follow these lists.



A good idea too give priority to whom already have the visa. This could avoid problems to Wikimania staff.



_____________________

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30440865





Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:36:20 +0000

From: berialima [at] gmail

To: wikimania-l [at] lists

Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue



wikimediabr-l [at] lists is there for this.



We also have wikipt [at] lists , lista [at] wikimedia and http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada (if you can't follow any of those list and is brasilian I don't know what else they can be ;) )



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B?ria Lima

(351) 925 171 484



Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que estamos a fazer.









On 1 November 2011 20:29, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:













For me it's easy. But it could catch someone by surprise and this someone may not have the visa. And take a U.S. visa in six months in some countries is really hard....







_____________________

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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:26:02 +0000

From: berialima [at] gmail



To: wikimania-l [at] lists

Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue



How that can be possible if the answers to scholarship applications are made in January - March? I would suggest to - If you applied for the scholarship - send a mail to the USA embassy scheduling the request for visa. If takes at least 3 months, will be done only in Feb (if you request now - December is a dead month in Brazil) and by them, you will have a result for your application.





_____

B?ria Lima

(351) 925 171 484



Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que estamos a fazer.











On 1 November 2011 20:20, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:















http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#countries







Hello everyone,



As you know in 2012, United States will held Wikimania at Washington D.C.! Yeah.



But make a Wikimania in U.S.A. have some problems, you probably know it but I wanna clarify to you.







U.S. just dispense visas to thirty-six nations. All of the dozens left over need a visa to enter in.



Last year I was selected to attend Wikimania 2011 at Haifa (the best moments ever in my life, btw, would love to support Washington too, ops :D) and WMF contacted me six months before.





In this ''six months before'' have one problem.



In Brazil (not only, but in the most countries that need the visa) we take 3 months to schedule (and get some free time - it's vacation in Brazil and the people wanna travel) the visit to U.S. Embassy to require the visa. When we requite the visa, we take more 3~~4 months to receive the answer of Embassy. Over 6 months. And half per cent of the visas are denied. We could appeal, and would take more two months.









It would be the biggest problem ever in a Wikimania organization. And happens in a really lot of countries which need a visa to enter in U.S.A.



I suggest to announce to the people who live in that countries early. Earliest as possible. Maybe 8 or 9 months before... Take a visa to US really isn't easy.







What do you think?



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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:48:01 +0000

From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>

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On 1 November 2011 20:44, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:

> Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.

> It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two

> months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other

> countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky

> and always can be denied.



I meant 2 months from now, so about 6 months before the conference.

That should be enough time, but we would need to start accepting

scholarship applications within the next week or two, really.







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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:48:57 +0000

From: B?ria Lima <berialima [at] gmail>

Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue

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Any visa can be denied, Mateus. And there are a waiting list for Wikimania

scholarship. You don't need to worry, no scholarship will be wasted.

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<http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484



*Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter

livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que

estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*





On 1 November 2011 20:44, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:



> Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.

> It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two

> months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other

> countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky

> and always can be denied.

>

> _____________________

> MateusNobre

> *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects

> (+55) 85 88393509

> 30440865

> *

>

> ------------------------------

> From: mateus.nobre [at] live

> To: wikimania-l [at] lists

> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:41:09 +0300

>

> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue

>

> Yeah, but not all brazilians editors follow these lists.

>

> A good idea too give priority to whom already have the visa. This could

> avoid problems to Wikimania staff.

>

>

> _____________________

> MateusNobre

> *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects

> (+55) 85 88393509

> 30440865

> *

>

> ------------------------------

> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:36:20 +0000

> From: berialima [at] gmail

> To: wikimania-l [at] lists

> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue

>

> wikimediabr-l [at] lists is there for this.

>

> We also have wikipt [at] lists , lista [at] wikimedia and

> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada<http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia%3aEsplanada>(if you can't follow any of those list and is brasilian I don't know what



> else they can be ;) )

> _____

> *B?ria Lima*

> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484

>

> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter

> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que

> estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*

>

>

> On 1 November 2011 20:29, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:

>

> For me it's easy. But it could catch someone by surprise and this

> someone may not have the visa. And take a U.S. visa in six months in some

> countries is really hard....

>

>

> _____________________

> MateusNobre

>

> *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects

> (+55) 85 88393509

> 30440865

> *

>

>

> ------------------------------

> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:26:02 +0000

> From: berialima [at] gmail

>

> To: wikimania-l [at] lists

> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue

>

> How that can be possible if the answers to scholarship applications are

> made in January - March? I would suggest to - If you applied for the

> scholarship - send a mail to the USA embassy scheduling the request for

> visa. If takes at least 3 months, will be done only in Feb (if you request

> now - December is a dead month in Brazil) and by them, you will have a

> result for your application.

> _____

> *B?ria Lima*

> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484

>

> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter

> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que

> estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*

>

>

> On 1 November 2011 20:20, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:

>

> http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#countries

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> As you know in 2012, United States will held Wikimania at Washington D.C.!

> Yeah.

>

> But make a Wikimania in U.S.A. have some problems, you probably know it

> but I wanna clarify to you.

>

> U.S. just dispense visas to thirty-six nations. All of the dozens left

> over need a visa to enter in.

>

> Last year I was selected to attend Wikimania 2011 at Haifa* (the best

> moments ever in my life, btw, would love to support Washington too, ops :D)

> * and WMF contacted me six months before.

> In this ''six months before'' have one problem.

>

> In Brazil (not only, but in the most countries that need the visa) we take

> 3 months to schedule (and get some free time - it's vacation in Brazil and

> the people wanna travel) the visit to U.S. Embassy to require the visa.

> When we requite the visa, we take more 3~~4 months to receive the answer of

> Embassy. Over 6 months. And half per cent of the visas are denied. We could

> appeal, and would take more two months.

>

> It would be the biggest problem ever in a Wikimania organization. And

> happens in a really lot of countries which need a visa to enter in U.S.A.

>

> I suggest to announce to the people who live in that countries early.

> Earliest as possible. Maybe 8 or 9 months before... Take a visa to US

> really isn't easy.

>

> What do you think?

>

> _____________________

> MateusNobre

> *Wikimedia Brasil - MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects

> (+55) 85 88393509

> 30440865

> *

>

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Maybe if you tried going trough Canada...
Le 2011-11-01 à 17:02, Mardetanha a écrit :

> And I live in Iran, which US has no embassy, so I have travel to turkey or UAE for the visa at least two times, to apply for the visa, 6 month is the minimum time that i need to apply
> Mardetanha
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> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:44:59 +0300
> From: Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
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> Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.
> It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky and always can be denied.
>
> _____________________
> MateusNobre
> MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> (+55) 85 88393509
> 30440865
>
>
> From: mateus.nobre [at] live
> To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:41:09 +0300
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, but not all brazilians editors follow these lists.
>
> A good idea too give priority to whom already have the visa. This could avoid problems to Wikimania staff.
>
> _____________________
> MateusNobre
> MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> (+55) 85 88393509
> 30440865
>
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:36:20 +0000
> From: berialima [at] gmail
> To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
>
> wikimediabr-l [at] lists is there for this.
>
> We also have wikipt [at] lists , lista [at] wikimedia and http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada (if you can't follow any of those list and is brasilian I don't know what else they can be ;) )
> _____
> B?ria Lima
> (351) 925 171 484
>
> Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que estamos a fazer.
>
>
>
>
> On 1 November 2011 20:29, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> For me it's easy. But it could catch someone by surprise and this someone may not have the visa. And take a U.S. visa in six months in some countries is really hard....
>
>
>
> _____________________
> MateusNobre
>
> MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> (+55) 85 88393509
>
> 30440865
>
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:26:02 +0000
> From: berialima [at] gmail
>
> To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
>
> How that can be possible if the answers to scholarship applications are made in January - March? I would suggest to - If you applied for the scholarship - send a mail to the USA embassy scheduling the request for visa. If takes at least 3 months, will be done only in Feb (if you request now - December is a dead month in Brazil) and by them, you will have a result for your application.
>
> _____
> B?ria Lima
> (351) 925 171 484
>
> Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que estamos a fazer.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 November 2011 20:20, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#countries
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> As you know in 2012, United States will held Wikimania at Washington D.C.! Yeah.
>
> But make a Wikimania in U.S.A. have some problems, you probably know it but I wanna clarify to you.
>
>
>
> U.S. just dispense visas to thirty-six nations. All of the dozens left over need a visa to enter in.
>
> Last year I was selected to attend Wikimania 2011 at Haifa (the best moments ever in my life, btw, would love to support Washington too, ops :D) and WMF contacted me six months before.
>
>
> In this ''six months before'' have one problem.
>
> In Brazil (not only, but in the most countries that need the visa) we take 3 months to schedule (and get some free time - it's vacation in Brazil and the people wanna travel) the visit to U.S. Embassy to require the visa. When we requite the visa, we take more 3~~4 months to receive the answer of Embassy. Over 6 months. And half per cent of the visas are denied. We could appeal, and would take more two months.
>
>
>
> It would be the biggest problem ever in a Wikimania organization. And happens in a really lot of countries which need a visa to enter in U.S.A.
>
> I suggest to announce to the people who live in that countries early. Earliest as possible. Maybe 8 or 9 months before... Take a visa to US really isn't easy.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> _____________________
> MateusNobre
>
>
> Wikimedia Brasil - MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
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>
> 30440865
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> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)"
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> On 1 November 2011 20:44, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
> > Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.
> > It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two
> > months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other
> > countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky
> > and always can be denied.
>
> I meant 2 months from now, so about 6 months before the conference.
> That should be enough time, but we would need to start accepting
> scholarship applications within the next week or two, really.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:48:57 +0000
> From: B?ria Lima <berialima [at] gmail>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)"
> <wikimania-l [at] lists>
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>
> Any visa can be denied, Mateus. And there are a waiting list for Wikimania
> scholarship. You don't need to worry, no scholarship will be wasted.
> _____
> *B?ria Lima*
> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
>
>
> On 1 November 2011 20:44, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
>
> > Yeah Thomas, I forgot that.
> > It's prundet give the scolarschips to whom already have the visas. Two
> > months would be impossible normally (at least for Brazil, idk for other
> > countried visa-needed). We could request special priority, but it's risky
> > and always can be denied.
> >
> > _____________________
> > MateusNobre
> > *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> > (+55) 85 88393509
> > 30440865
> > *
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > From: mateus.nobre [at] live
> > To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:41:09 +0300
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> >
> > Yeah, but not all brazilians editors follow these lists.
> >
> > A good idea too give priority to whom already have the visa. This could
> > avoid problems to Wikimania staff.
> >
> >
> > _____________________
> > MateusNobre
> > *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> > (+55) 85 88393509
> > 30440865
> > *
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:36:20 +0000
> > From: berialima [at] gmail
> > To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> >
> > wikimediabr-l [at] lists is there for this.
> >
> > We also have wikipt [at] lists , lista [at] wikimedia and
> > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada<http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia%3aEsplanada>(if you can't follow any of those list and is brasilian I don't know what
> > else they can be ;) )
> > _____
> > *B?ria Lima*
> > <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
> >
> > *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> > estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
> >
> >
> > On 1 November 2011 20:29, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
> >
> > For me it's easy. But it could catch someone by surprise and this
> > someone may not have the visa. And take a U.S. visa in six months in some
> > countries is really hard....
> >
> >
> > _____________________
> > MateusNobre
> >
> > *MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> > (+55) 85 88393509
> > 30440865
> > *
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:26:02 +0000
> > From: berialima [at] gmail
> >
> > To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012: The Visas Issue
> >
> > How that can be possible if the answers to scholarship applications are
> > made in January - March? I would suggest to - If you applied for the
> > scholarship - send a mail to the USA embassy scheduling the request for
> > visa. If takes at least 3 months, will be done only in Feb (if you request
> > now - December is a dead month in Brazil) and by them, you will have a
> > result for your application.
> > _____
> > *B?ria Lima*
> > <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
> >
> > *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> > estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
> >
> >
> > On 1 November 2011 20:20, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live> wrote:
> >
> > http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#countries
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > As you know in 2012, United States will held Wikimania at Washington D.C.!
> > Yeah.
> >
> > But make a Wikimania in U.S.A. have some problems, you probably know it
> > but I wanna clarify to you.
> >
> > U.S. just dispense visas to thirty-six nations. All of the dozens left
> > over need a visa to enter in.
> >
> > Last year I was selected to attend Wikimania 2011 at Haifa* (the best
> > moments ever in my life, btw, would love to support Washington too, ops :D)
> > * and WMF contacted me six months before.
> > In this ''six months before'' have one problem.
> >
> > In Brazil (not only, but in the most countries that need the visa) we take
> > 3 months to schedule (and get some free time - it's vacation in Brazil and
> > the people wanna travel) the visit to U.S. Embassy to require the visa.
> > When we requite the visa, we take more 3~~4 months to receive the answer of
> > Embassy. Over 6 months. And half per cent of the visas are denied. We could
> > appeal, and would take more two months.
> >
> > It would be the biggest problem ever in a Wikimania organization. And
> > happens in a really lot of countries which need a visa to enter in U.S.A.
> >
> > I suggest to announce to the people who live in that countries early.
> > Earliest as possible. Maybe 8 or 9 months before... Take a visa to US
> > really isn't easy.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > _____________________
> > MateusNobre
> > *Wikimedia Brasil - MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
> > (+55) 85 88393509
> > 30440865
> > *
> >
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Nov 1, 2011, 6:21 PM

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You mean try and slip across the border unnoticed? The consequences if you
were caught would be very serious. I don't think the wikimedia movement can
condone illegal immigration in order to attend wikimania.
On Nov 1, 2011 10:58 PM, "Justin Quintal" <cestmoijustin [at] gmail> wrote:


cestmoijustin at gmail

Nov 1, 2011, 6:22 PM

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Well, not that, but to make it easier heh

2011/11/1 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>

> You mean try and slip across the border unnoticed? The consequences if you
> were caught would be very serious. I don't think the wikimedia movement can
> condone illegal immigration in order to attend wikimania.
> On Nov 1, 2011 10:58 PM, "Justin Quintal" <cestmoijustin [at] gmail> wrote:
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Nov 1, 2011, 6:30 PM

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How would it be easier?
On Nov 2, 2011 1:23 AM, "Justin Quintal" <cestmoijustin [at] gmail> wrote:

> Well, not that, but to make it easier heh
>
> 2011/11/1 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>
>
>> You mean try and slip across the border unnoticed? The consequences if
>> you were caught would be very serious. I don't think the wikimedia movement
>> can condone illegal immigration in order to attend wikimania.
>> On Nov 1, 2011 10:58 PM, "Justin Quintal" <cestmoijustin [at] gmail>
>> wrote:
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Nov 2, 2011, 3:04 AM

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Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian visa
doesn't help.
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On 2 November 2011 01:22, Justin Quintal <cestmoijustin [at] gmail> wrote:

> Well, not that, but to make it easier heh
>
> 2011/11/1 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>
>
>> You mean try and slip across the border unnoticed? The consequences if
>> you were caught would be very serious. I don't think the wikimedia movement
>> can condone illegal immigration in order to attend wikimania.
>> On Nov 1, 2011 10:58 PM, "Justin Quintal" <cestmoijustin [at] gmail>
>> wrote:
>>
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Nov 2, 2011, 3:35 AM

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima <berialima [at] gmail> wrote:
> Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian visa
> doesn't help.
Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians"
I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian
passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea,
directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A
Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada
are separate countries with border controls between them (the border
isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders
between Schengen countries in Europe).

That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in
Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some
consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most
circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where
his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and
he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be
allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or
the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so
you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know
what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply
for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther
away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably
talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.

Roan

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Nov 2, 2011, 4:55 AM

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On 2 November 2011 11:35, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:
> That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in
> Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some
> consulates elsewhere.

The waiting times will probably be pretty short for Canadians (in
those cases where they need visas). I would expect foreign nationals
to have quite a long wait, since the US consulate in Canada won't have
experts on Iranians and what checks need to done and won't have
systems in place to do those checks quickly. Countries bordering Iran
probably do such checks reasonably frequently, so would probably be
quicker.

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Nov 2, 2011, 8:57 AM

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Well, i know that canadian citizens are allowed to enter USA legally
without a visa for visiting or studying.

http://canada.usembassy.gov/visas/information-for-canadians.html

Since it's getting cold, people called "Snowbirds" are leaving Canada for
USA. They are allowed to stay for *182 days.*

2011/11/2 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>

> On 2 November 2011 11:35, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:
> > That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in
> > Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some
> > consulates elsewhere.
>
> The waiting times will probably be pretty short for Canadians (in
> those cases where they need visas). I would expect foreign nationals
> to have quite a long wait, since the US consulate in Canada won't have
> experts on Iranians and what checks need to done and won't have
> systems in place to do those checks quickly. Countries bordering Iran
> probably do such checks reasonably frequently, so would probably be
> quicker.
>
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Nov 2, 2011, 9:31 AM

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Justin Quintal <cestmoijustin [at] gmail> wrote:
> Well, i know that canadian citizens are allowed to enter USA legally without
> a visa for visiting or studying.
> http://canada.usembassy.gov/visas/information-for-canadians.html
> Since it's getting cold, people called "Snowbirds" are leaving Canada for
> USA. They are allowed to stay for 182 days.

Yep. Generally speaking, it is easiest for Canadians (i.e. bearers of
Canadian passports) to enter the United States. The only thing easier
is if you're a U.S. citizen or permanent resident returning to the
U.S. It's a more relaxed system because people in border communities
(for example: Detroit, Michigan and Windsor, Ontario) tend to cross
the border frequently. Migration between the U.S. and Canada is
governed by the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which allows
several different kinds of documentation instead of a passport:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative>.
For what it's worth, though, it isn't like the old days where a birth
certificate or voter registration would have been enough.

>
> 2011/11/2 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail>
>>
>> On 2 November 2011 11:35, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:
>> > That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in
>> > Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some
>> > consulates elsewhere.
>>
>> The waiting times will probably be pretty short for Canadians (in
>> those cases where they need visas). I would expect foreign nationals
>> to have quite a long wait, since the US consulate in Canada won't have
>> experts on Iranians and what checks need to done and won't have
>> systems in place to do those checks quickly. Countries bordering Iran
>> probably do such checks reasonably frequently, so would probably be
>> quicker.
>>
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Nov 2, 2011, 11:31 AM

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Sorry Roan, I wanted to say the same thing you did but i failed.

2nd attempt: Citizens from any other country, with a canadian visa, still
need a USA visa to get into USA.

Or more detailed in Roan's mail ;)
_____
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<http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*


On 2 November 2011 10:35, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima <berialima [at] gmail> wrote:
> > Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian
> visa
> > doesn't help.
> Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians"
> I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian
> passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea,
> directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A
> Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada
> are separate countries with border controls between them (the border
> isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders
> between Schengen countries in Europe).
>
> That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in
> Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some
> consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most
> circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where
> his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and
> he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be
> allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or
> the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so
> you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know
> what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply
> for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther
> away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably
> talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
>
> Roan
>
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cestmoijustin at gmail

Nov 2, 2011, 4:26 PM

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Yeah, i heard that USA is going to open a virtual embassy for Iran...

2011/11/2 Béria Lima <berialima [at] gmail>

> Sorry Roan, I wanted to say the same thing you did but i failed.
>
> 2nd attempt: Citizens from any other country, with a canadian visa,
> still need a USA visa to get into USA.
>
> Or more detailed in Roan's mail ;)
>
> _____
> *Béria Lima*
> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
> estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
>
>
> On 2 November 2011 10:35, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima <berialima [at] gmail> wrote:
>> > Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian
>> visa
>> > doesn't help.
>> Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians"
>> I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian
>> passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea,
>> directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A
>> Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada
>> are separate countries with border controls between them (the border
>> isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders
>> between Schengen countries in Europe).
>>
>> That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in
>> Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some
>> consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most
>> circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where
>> his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and
>> he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be
>> allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or
>> the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so
>> you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know
>> what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply
>> for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther
>> away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably
>> talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
>>
>> Roan
>>
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Nov 2, 2011, 4:28 PM

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in some months?

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:26:11 -0400
From: cestmoijustin [at] gmail
To: wikimania-l [at] lists
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 68, Issue 4

Yeah, i heard that USA is going to open a virtual embassy for Iran...

2011/11/2 Béria Lima <berialima [at] gmail>

Sorry Roan, I wanted to say the same thing you did but i failed.

2nd attempt: Citizens from any other country, with a canadian visa, still need a USA visa to get into USA.



Or more detailed in Roan's mail ;)_____
Béria Lima
(351) 925 171 484


Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.





On 2 November 2011 10:35, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima <berialima [at] gmail> wrote:

> Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian visa

> doesn't help.

Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians"

I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian

passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea,

directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A

Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada

are separate countries with border controls between them (the border

isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders

between Schengen countries in Europe).



That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in

Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some

consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most

circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where

his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and

he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be

allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or

the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so

you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know

what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply

for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther

away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably

talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.



Roan



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Nov 2, 2011, 4:32 PM

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end of 2011 according to sources.

2011/11/2 Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre [at] live>

> in some months?
>
>
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> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:26:11 -0400
> From: cestmoijustin [at] gmail
> To: wikimania-l [at] lists
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 68, Issue 4
>
> Yeah, i heard that USA is going to open a virtual embassy for Iran...
>
> 2011/11/2 Béria Lima <berialima [at] gmail>
>
> Sorry Roan, I wanted to say the same thing you did but i failed.
>
> 2nd attempt: Citizens from any other country, with a canadian visa,
> still need a USA visa to get into USA.
>
> Or more detailed in Roan's mail ;)
>
> _____
> *Béria Lima*
> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
> estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
>
>
> On 2 November 2011 10:35, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima <berialima [at] gmail> wrote:
> > Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian
> visa
> > doesn't help.
> Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians"
> I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian
> passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea,
> directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A
> Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada
> are separate countries with border controls between them (the border
> isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders
> between Schengen countries in Europe).
>
> That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in
> Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some
> consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most
> circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where
> his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and
> he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be
> allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or
> the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so
> you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know
> what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply
> for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther
> away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably
> talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
>
> Roan
>
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