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gcarter2000 at gmail

Jul 9, 2007, 8:58 AM

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Delete User?

I know as WikiSysop I can block users. However can I delete a user at the
MediaWiki level?

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gary.kirk at gmail

Jul 9, 2007, 10:04 AM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

The short answer is that you shouldn't delete users. If a user has
registered an offensive username or something and this is why you want
them deleted, you can install the Renameuser extension - search
mediawiki.org for Extension:Renameuser.

On 09/07/07, G. Carter <gcarter2000 [at] gmail> wrote:
> I know as WikiSysop I can block users. However can I delete a user at the
> MediaWiki level?
>
> Thanks
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jet123.jet123 at gmail

Jul 9, 2007, 12:53 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

I think the developers should design a Deleteuser extension for MediaWiki.

On 7/9/07, Gary Kirk <gary.kirk [at] gmail> wrote:
> The short answer is that you shouldn't delete users. If a user has
> registered an offensive username or something and this is why you want
> them deleted, you can install the Renameuser extension - search
> mediawiki.org for Extension:Renameuser.
>
> On 09/07/07, G. Carter <gcarter2000 [at] gmail> wrote:
> > I know as WikiSysop I can block users. However can I delete a user at the
> > MediaWiki level?
> >
> > Thanks
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> >
>
>
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Jul 9, 2007, 1:00 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

Feel free to, obviously it would never be included in the MediaWiki
codebase as deleting a user and thus their contributions contravenes
the GFDL.

On 09/07/07, Jet <jet123.jet123 [at] gmail> wrote:
> I think the developers should design a Deleteuser extension for MediaWiki.
>
> On 7/9/07, Gary Kirk <gary.kirk [at] gmail> wrote:
> > The short answer is that you shouldn't delete users. If a user has
> > registered an offensive username or something and this is why you want
> > them deleted, you can install the Renameuser extension - search
> > mediawiki.org for Extension:Renameuser.
> >
> > On 09/07/07, G. Carter <gcarter2000 [at] gmail> wrote:
> > > I know as WikiSysop I can block users. However can I delete a user at
> the
> > > MediaWiki level?
> > >
> > > Thanks
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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jet123.jet123 at gmail

Jul 9, 2007, 1:03 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

It may be better if its is in public domain or make it like Google or YouTube.

On 7/9/07, Gary Kirk <gary.kirk [at] gmail> wrote:
> Feel free to, obviously it would never be included in the MediaWiki
> codebase as deleting a user and thus their contributions contravenes
> the GFDL.
>
> On 09/07/07, Jet <jet123.jet123 [at] gmail> wrote:
> > I think the developers should design a Deleteuser extension for MediaWiki.
> >
> > On 7/9/07, Gary Kirk <gary.kirk [at] gmail> wrote:
> > > The short answer is that you shouldn't delete users. If a user has
> > > registered an offensive username or something and this is why you want
> > > them deleted, you can install the Renameuser extension - search
> > > mediawiki.org for Extension:Renameuser.
> > >
> > > On 09/07/07, G. Carter <gcarter2000 [at] gmail> wrote:
> > > > I know as WikiSysop I can block users. However can I delete a user at
> > the
> > > > MediaWiki level?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
> > > >
> > >
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> >
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cannon.danielc at gmail

Jul 9, 2007, 1:09 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

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Jet schrieb:
> I think the developers should design a Deleteuser extension for MediaWiki.
>

Not gonna happen. Deleting a user is very touchy business. Consider if
the user had existing contributions--to whom would they be attributed
after deletion? What if he's been blocked or has either log entries
pertaining to him? Do they simply vanish, get attributed to someone
else, or what?

Renameuser is about the closest we have to "deleting" a user (other than
scrubbing the db to remove him), and it seems more than sufficient for
this purpose.

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Jul 9, 2007, 1:13 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

The main problem with deleting users is that it breaks all of their
contributions. Every contribution is made by a user - I don't know if
the code could handle that user not existing.

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jet123.jet123 at gmail

Jul 9, 2007, 1:17 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

But Web sites such like Google and Yahoo can delete users.

On 7/9/07, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail> wrote:
> The main problem with deleting users is that it breaks all of their
> contributions. Every contribution is made by a user - I don't know if
> the code could handle that user not existing.
>
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KAndreou at rccl

Jul 9, 2007, 1:18 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

Agreed.
The best approach would be to rename the user to some kind of
"username-removed" and block it indefinitely.

This discussion around deleting/renaming got me thinking. Is a history
kept of user renames?

mediawiki-l-bounces [at] lists wrote on 09-07-2007 16:13:13:

> The main problem with deleting users is that it breaks all of their
> contributions. Every contribution is made by a user - I don't know if
> the code could handle that user not existing.
>
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Jul 9, 2007, 1:20 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

I don't think so. these Web sites like Yahoo! do delete users.

On 7/9/07, KAndreou [at] rccl <KAndreou [at] rccl> wrote:
> Agreed.
> The best approach would be to rename the user to some kind of
> "username-removed" and block it indefinitely.
>
> This discussion around deleting/renaming got me thinking. Is a history
> kept of user renames?
>
>
>
> mediawiki-l-bounces [at] lists wrote on 09-07-2007 16:13:13:
>
> > The main problem with deleting users is that it breaks all of their
> > contributions. Every contribution is made by a user - I don't know if
> > the code could handle that user not existing.
> >
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Jul 9, 2007, 1:21 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

> But Web sites such like Google and Yahoo can delete users.

Google and Yahoo are not wikis, they don't have history pages that
list contributors. The closest you get is their forums - what do they
do with forum posts when you delete your account?

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Jul 9, 2007, 1:26 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

They are not wikis, but they can delete users.

On 7/9/07, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton [at] gmail> wrote:
> > But Web sites such like Google and Yahoo can delete users.
>
> Google and Yahoo are not wikis, they don't have history pages that
> list contributors. The closest you get is their forums - what do they
> do with forum posts when you delete your account?
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Jul 9, 2007, 1:31 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

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Jet schrieb:
> I don't think so. these Web sites like Yahoo! do delete users.

Jet, you're not listening. Yahoo, Google, MySpace, etc., can delete
users because they don't have to worry about preservation of
page-histories, accreditation of contributions, GFDL-compliance, or
anything of the sort. MediaWiki is a wiki, not a webforum; what works on
a forum or a blog does not necessarily work on a wiki.

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Jul 9, 2007, 1:47 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

Isn't there a Special:Log/rename ? That extension is disabled on Xinki
wikis at the moment so I can't check myself.

On 09/07/07, KAndreou [at] rccl <KAndreou [at] rccl> wrote:
> Agreed.
> The best approach would be to rename the user to some kind of
> "username-removed" and block it indefinitely.
>
> This discussion around deleting/renaming got me thinking. Is a history
> kept of user renames?
>
>
>
> mediawiki-l-bounces [at] lists wrote on 09-07-2007 16:13:13:
>
> > The main problem with deleting users is that it breaks all of their
> > contributions. Every contribution is made by a user - I don't know if
> > the code could handle that user not existing.
> >
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Jul 9, 2007, 1:56 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

It doesn't appear to be part of the standard installation.
I would guess simple implementation would be to create a trigger on the
User table that will fire on update and insert the before value into a
history table.

mediawiki-l-bounces [at] lists wrote on 09-07-2007 16:47:05:

> Isn't there a Special:Log/rename ? That extension is disabled on Xinki
> wikis at the moment so I can't check myself.
>
> On 09/07/07, KAndreou [at] rccl <KAndreou [at] rccl> wrote:
> > Agreed.
> > The best approach would be to rename the user to some kind of
> > "username-removed" and block it indefinitely.
> >
> > This discussion around deleting/renaming got me thinking. Is a history
> > kept of user renames?
> >
> >
> >
> > mediawiki-l-bounces [at] lists wrote on 09-07-2007 16:13:13:
> >
> > > The main problem with deleting users is that it breaks all of their
> > > contributions. Every contribution is made by a user - I don't know
if
> > > the code could handle that user not existing.
> > >
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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

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Gary Kirk schrieb:
> Isn't there a Special:Log/rename ? That extension is disabled on Xinki
> wikis at the moment so I can't check myself.

Yes, user renames are all logged at Special:Log/renameuser.

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

On 7/9/07, Jet <jet123.jet123 [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> I think the developers should design a Deleteuser extension for MediaWiki.
>
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Deleteuser
It's unstable, and it will probably violate whatever license you're under,
as others have said, but if you want it that badly, go ahead.

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

I've been thinking about this. I think the best solution is to allow the
deletion of a user, with all of the user's edits assigned to a single
special user (say, "Trash" or "Junk" or whatever). That way, the
references all over wiki would be intact, i.e. they would still point to
somewhere (in this case, the special user) and there would be no need to
rename dozens or hundreds of accounts to things like "renamed-spammer-1"
- the deletion script/specialpage would do the reassignment automagically.

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Jul 9, 2007, 4:20 PM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

> I've been thinking about this. I think the best solution is to allow the
> deletion of a user, with all of the user's edits assigned to a single
> special user (say, "Trash" or "Junk" or whatever). That way, the
> references all over wiki would be intact, i.e. they would still point to
> somewhere (in this case, the special user) and there would be no need to
> rename dozens or hundreds of accounts to things like "renamed-spammer-1"
> - the deletion script/specialpage would do the reassignment automagically.

Technically, that ought to work. Legally, however, you're asking for
trouble. Unless contributions are made under the condition that all
rights are released either to public domain or the owner of the site,
then attribution is almost certainly required.

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Jul 10, 2007, 1:06 AM

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Re: Delete User? [In reply to]

On 09/07/07, Jet <jet123.jet123 [at] gmail> wrote:
> I think the developers should design a Deleteuser extension for MediaWiki.

I think you should first read the archives of this mailing list,
particularly with respect to what's been said about deleting rows out
of tables, before you start making silly comments like this.

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Jun 5, 2012, 12:45 PM

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Re: Delete user? [In reply to]

I run my own wiki using the mediawiki software. I have the latest version (as far as I know).
I have often blocked users, but now I see one of the special pages is to "View Deleted User Contributions"

It's blank because I never knew before that I could "delete" a user. I've just been blocking users.
I have hundreds of accounts that were created, but they never setup a user page or made any useful contribution.
I'd like to delete those accounts to clean up my space.

How do I delete a user? Or alternately an account?

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Jun 5, 2012, 12:55 PM

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Re: Delete user? [In reply to]

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson [at] aol> wrote:
> I run my own wiki using the mediawiki software. I have the latest version (as far as I know).
> I have often blocked users, but now I see one of the special pages is to "View Deleted User Contributions"

MediaWiki segregates user contributions depending on whether or not
they are currently deleted. View Deleted User Contributions means View
Deleted *Contributions*.

User deletion is not supported out of the box and is generally discouraged.

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Jun 5, 2012, 12:58 PM

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Re: Delete user? [In reply to]

So you're saying there is an extension to add delete user ?

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Delete user?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson [at] aol> wrote:
I run my own wiki using the mediawiki software. I have the latest version (as
ar as I know).
I have often blocked users, but now I see one of the special pages is to "View
eleted User Contributions"
MediaWiki segregates user contributions depending on whether or not
hey are currently deleted. View Deleted User Contributions means View
eleted *Contributions*.
User deletion is not supported out of the box and is generally discouraged.
-Jeremy
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Re: Delete user? [In reply to]

Ahhh
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete

So I can merge the hundreds of poopey users into PoopeyUser ?

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So you're saying there is an extension to add delete user ?

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n Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson [at] aol> wrote:
I run my own wiki using the mediawiki software. I have the latest version (as
r as I know).
I have often blocked users, but now I see one of the special pages is to "View
leted User Contributions"
ediaWiki segregates user contributions depending on whether or not
ey are currently deleted. View Deleted User Contributions means View
leted *Contributions*.
ser deletion is not supported out of the box and is generally discouraged.
Jeremy
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Re: Delete user? [In reply to]

Hallo, Wjhonson,

Du meintest am 05.06.12:

> User deletion is not supported out of the box and is generally
> discouraged.

> So you're saying there is an extension to add delete user ?

I had used "phpMyAdmin" for that purpose (and I had a backup ...).

I had to delete more than 500 spammer users.

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

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