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yecheondigital at yahoo

Aug 20, 2012, 6:56 AM

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To those that run your own wiki .. some help needed please!

Recently I've been having server troubles lately and I wanted to see if anyone else was in a similar boat and how you overcame it. Because of these server issues, it's putting me in a difficult situation and I don't want to give up on a wiki I've been working on for the last 3 years. I'm hoping to get some advice from others who run their own wikis, especially high traffic wikis.

Background information:
-Front page runs wordpress (http://www.koreanwikiproject.com) --- however not much of the traffic goes here.
-Most of the traffic goes to the wiki on the site: http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki
-I get less than 2,000 hits a day.
-I was on the shared dreamhost plan for a few years, until dreamhost couldn't handle the wiki anymore. Lots of time outs and processes getting killed for exceeding my shared memory capacity recently.
-In the last week I switched to a Virtual Private Server (VPS) on dreamhost (two VPS actually: one is a regular VPS, the other is for mysql). 
-For the first week dreamhost gives you 2300mbs of memory to work with to gauge how much you need exactly.  I turned on php caching using Xcache and this helped performance a lot. Memory usage is usually under 400 mbs, but I get these huge spikes sometimes (even exceeded the 2300 mbs given initially). Here is an image of my memory usage (does it every 20 mins I believe): http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/Memory_usage_aug19.png
-The problem is the way dreamhost handles alloted memory over usage: It reboots the server. I don't understand why they do this, but they explained it was to protect the physical memory. This is annoying because anyone downloading anything on the server gets their connection severed and the site goes down for a short time. In fact I don't see this happening much to other websites.

I know some of you guys who get a lot more than 2,000 hits and even have semantic wiki installed and still have done fine. Meanwhile, I'm not sure I want to pay $36 a month for 2 VPS servers (One is a regular VPS, the other is for mysql) that is going to have it's connection severed several times a day due to memory spikes. At the same time I don't want to give up on a wiki I've been working on the past 3 years, so surely there must be a better way than me having to pay $100 a month for my own server, especially when my traffic isn't that high. Some advice from others who run wiki sites would be really appreciated and even comparisons on what you guys are running with the amount of traffic you get if possible.

Thank you,

Chris
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overlordq at gmail

Aug 20, 2012, 11:24 AM

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Re: To those that run your own wiki .. some help needed please! [In reply to]

> Some advice from others who run wiki sites would be really appreciated and even comparisons on what you guys are running with the amount of traffic you get if possible.

Make sure your Apache is tuned for your level of traffic. Check and
update as needed all of the server limit variables like:

StartServers
MinSpareServers
MaxSpareServers
ServerLimit
MaxClients

And disable any apache modules you're not using.

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daniel at nadir-seen-fire

Aug 20, 2012, 2:37 PM

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Re: To those that run your own wiki .. some help needed please! [In reply to]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:56:22 -0700, Yecheondigital
<yecheondigital [at] yahoo> wrote:

> Recently I've been having server troubles lately and I wanted to see if
> anyone else was in a similar boat and how you overcame it. Because of
> these server issues, it's putting me in a difficult situation and I
> don't want to give up on a wiki I've been working on for the last 3
> years. I'm hoping to get some advice from others who run their own
> wikis, especially high traffic wikis.
>
> Background information:
> -Front page runs wordpress (http://www.koreanwikiproject.com) ---
> however not much of the traffic goes here.
> -Most of the traffic goes to the wiki on the site:
> http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki
> -I get less than 2,000 hits a day.
> -I was on the shared dreamhost plan for a few years, until dreamhost
> couldn't handle the wiki anymore. Lots of time outs and processes
> getting killed for exceeding my shared memory capacity recently.
> -In the last week I switched to a Virtual Private Server (VPS) on
> dreamhost (two VPS actually: one is a regular VPS, the other is for
> mysql).-For the first week dreamhost gives you 2300mbs of memory to work
> with to gauge how much you need exactly. I turned on php caching using
> Xcache and this helped performance a lot. Memory usage is usually under
> 400 mbs, but I get these huge spikes sometimes (even exceeded the 2300
> mbs given initially). Here is an image of my memory usage (does it every
> 20 mins I believe):
> http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/Memory_usage_aug19.png
> -The problem is the way dreamhost handles alloted memory over usage: It
> reboots the server. I don't understand why they do this, but they
> explained it was to protect the physical memory. This is annoying
> because anyone downloading anything on the server gets their connection
> severed and the site goes down for a short time. In fact I don't see
> this happening much to other websites.
>
> I know some of you guys who get a lot more than 2,000 hits and even have
> semantic wiki installed and still have done fine. Meanwhile, I'm not
> sure I want to pay $36 a month for 2 VPS servers (One is a regular VPS,
> the other is for mysql) that is going to have it's connection severed
> several times a day due to memory spikes. At the same time I don't want
> to give up on a wiki I've been working on the past 3 years, so surely
> there must be a better way than me having to pay $100 a month for my own
> server, especially when my traffic isn't that high. Some advice from
> others who run wiki sites would be really appreciated and even
> comparisons on what you guys are running with the amount of traffic you
> get if possible.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris

A lot of us just run with a small single VPS/Cloud server like on Linode
or Rackspace cloud.
It's not the best performing sometimes. But the traffic weight and cost of
a single small wiki doesn't really justify running two servers.
You kind of need to be running multiple wikis (or one insanely large one)
to justify the server separation.

--
~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

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dex.ranosa at yahoo

Aug 21, 2012, 3:19 AM

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Re: To those that run your own wiki .. some help needed please! [In reply to]

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Yecheondigital <yecheondigital [at] yahoo> wrote:

> Recently I've been having server troubles lately and I wanted to see if anyone else was in a similar boat and how you overcame it. Because of these server issues, it's putting me in a difficult situation and I don't want to give up on a wiki I've been working on for the last 3 years. I'm hoping to get some advice from others who run their own wikis, especially high traffic wikis.
>
> Background information:
> -Front page runs wordpress (http://www.koreanwikiproject.com) --- however not much of the traffic goes here.
> -Most of the traffic goes to the wiki on the site: http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki
> -I get less than 2,000 hits a day.
> -I was on the shared dreamhost plan for a few years, until dreamhost couldn't handle the wiki anymore. Lots of time outs and processes getting killed for exceeding my shared memory capacity recently.
> -In the last week I switched to a Virtual Private Server (VPS) on dreamhost (two VPS actually: one is a regular VPS, the other is for mysql).
> -For the first week dreamhost gives you 2300mbs of memory to work with to gauge how much you need exactly. I turned on php caching using Xcache and this helped performance a lot. Memory usage is usually under 400 mbs, but I get these huge spikes sometimes (even exceeded the 2300 mbs given initially). Here is an image of my memory usage (does it every 20 mins I believe): http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/Memory_usage_aug19.png
> -The problem is the way dreamhost handles alloted memory over usage: It reboots the server. I don't understand why they do this, but they explained it was to protect the physical memory. This is annoying because anyone downloading anything on the server gets their connection severed and the site goes down for a short time. In fact I don't see this happening much to other websites.
>
> I know some of you guys who get a lot more than 2,000 hits and even have semantic wiki installed and still have done fine. Meanwhile, I'm not sure I want to pay $36 a month for 2 VPS servers (One is a regular VPS, the other is for mysql) that is going to have it's connection severed several times a day due to memory spikes. At the same time I don't want to give up on a wiki I've been working on the past 3 years, so surely there must be a better way than me having to pay $100 a month for my own server, especially when my traffic isn't that high. Some advice from others who run wiki sites would be really appreciated and even comparisons on what you guys are running with the amount of traffic you get if possible.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris
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