Mailing List Archive: Wikipedia: Mediawiki

First adventures with Category

Index | Next | Previous | View Threaded

annew at kde

Nov 22, 2009, 10:08 AM

Post #1 of 10 (1004 views)
Permalink

First adventures with Category

Categories have not been widely (or correctly) used on our wiki, and I want to
start sorting this out. Following the wiki instructions I have created the
first category that I wanted, but I'm puzzled about the category links created
on the pages. The wiki states:
<quote>
These links do not appear at the location where you inserted the tag, but at
the page margin in a fixed place, depending on the skin (the bottom for
MonoBook, the upper right corner for Standard).
</quote>

I find that, putting the category statement at the end of the page, I actually
see "Category: Getting Started" at the place I entered it. What's more,
'Getting Started' is red, like an un-created page, although clicking on it
does take me to the category's listing.

Further on in the wiki it says to add a colon, as

[[:Category:Getting Started]]

but that results in the whole statement turning into a red link.

What do I need to do to correct this?

Anne
--
KDE Community Working Group
New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

Attachments:

signature.asc (0.19 KB)

schneelocke at gmail

Nov 22, 2009, 10:20 AM

Post #2 of 10 (964 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 19:08, Anne Wilson <annew [at] kde> wrote:
> I find that, putting the category statement at the end of the page, I actually
> see "Category: Getting Started" at the place I entered it. What's more,
> 'Getting Started' is red, like an un-created page, although clicking on it
> does take me to the category's listing.

That's strange, and shouldn't happen if the wiki's configured
correctly. I've seen this happen when people try to create category
links using a language for namespaces that the wiki isn't configured
for (e.g. "Catégorie" if the wiki isn't configure for French), but
English should always work.

Is this a public wiki?

> Further on in the wiki it says to add a colon, as
>
> [[:Category:Getting Started]]
>
> but that results in the whole statement turning into a red link.

Yes, this syntax is intended for when you're trying to link to a
category page on a given wiki page, rather than putting that wiki page
into the category.

> What do I need to do to correct this?
>
> Anne

--
schnee

_______________________________________________
MediaWiki-l mailing list
MediaWiki-l [at] lists
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

schneelocke at gmail

Nov 22, 2009, 10:28 AM

Post #3 of 10 (964 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 19:20, Schneelocke <schneelocke [at] gmail> wrote:
> Is this a public wiki?

Nevermind, I just took a look at http://userbase.kde.org . :)

The category link is actually working correctly here. The link appears
in red as the category *page* itself has not been created yet (this is
separate from there being pages *in* that category); furthermore, the
category link appears unstyled at the bottom of the wiki page as the
skin you're using doesn't seem to apply any style to it.

(The relevant CSS class is called "catlinks".)

--
schnee

_______________________________________________
MediaWiki-l mailing list
MediaWiki-l [at] lists
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

annew at kde

Nov 23, 2009, 9:22 AM

Post #4 of 10 (951 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

On Sunday 22 November 2009 18:28:02 Schneelocke wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 19:20, Schneelocke <schneelocke [at] gmail> wrote:
> > Is this a public wiki?
>
Thanks for answering, Schnee

> Nevermind, I just took a look at http://userbase.kde.org . :)
>
> The category link is actually working correctly here. The link appears
> in red as the category *page* itself has not been created yet (this is
> separate from there being pages *in* that category);

So when I click on it, I see a page that lists all the pages in the category,
with an empty edit panel. What is it expecting me to add to that page? Is
there some documentation other than Help:Category? I'm still studying that,
but so far haven't found anything that explains this. I thought it was just
the dynamically created list.

> furthermore, the
> category link appears unstyled at the bottom of the wiki page as the
> skin you're using doesn't seem to apply any style to it.
>
> (The relevant CSS class is called "catlinks".)
>
I'll talk to a php guy about that, thanks.

Anne
--
KDE Community Working Group
New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

Attachments:

signature.asc (0.19 KB)

nevinhoalarcao at gmail

Nov 23, 2009, 9:29 AM

Post #5 of 10 (957 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

All, I dont know if I have correctly unterdood. From my point of view, what
you need is learning how categories work. If I werw you I would navigate on
the wikipedia.
hugs

2009/11/23 Anne Wilson <annew [at] kde>

> On Sunday 22 November 2009 18:28:02 Schneelocke wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 19:20, Schneelocke <schneelocke [at] gmail>
> wrote:
> > > Is this a public wiki?
> >
> Thanks for answering, Schnee
>
> > Nevermind, I just took a look at http://userbase.kde.org . :)
> >
> > The category link is actually working correctly here. The link appears
> > in red as the category *page* itself has not been created yet (this is
> > separate from there being pages *in* that category);
>
> So when I click on it, I see a page that lists all the pages in the
> category,
> with an empty edit panel. What is it expecting me to add to that page? Is
> there some documentation other than Help:Category? I'm still studying
> that,
> but so far haven't found anything that explains this. I thought it was
> just
> the dynamically created list.
>
> > furthermore, the
> > category link appears unstyled at the bottom of the wiki page as the
> > skin you're using doesn't seem to apply any style to it.
> >
> > (The relevant CSS class is called "catlinks".)
> >
> I'll talk to a php guy about that, thanks.
>
> Anne
> --
> KDE Community Working Group
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> MediaWiki-l mailing list
> MediaWiki-l [at] lists
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
>
>

--
{+}Nevinho
Venha para o Movimento Colaborativo http://sextapoetica.com.br !!
_______________________________________________
MediaWiki-l mailing list
MediaWiki-l [at] lists
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

schneelocke at gmail

Nov 23, 2009, 10:01 AM

Post #6 of 10 (954 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

Hello Anne,

> Thanks for answering, Schnee

You're quite welcome!

> So when I click on it, I see a page that lists all the pages in the category,
> with an empty edit panel. What is it expecting me to add to that page? Is
> there some documentation other than Help:Category? I'm still studying that,
> but so far haven't found anything that explains this. I thought it was just
> the dynamically created list.

Categories are dynamically created lists, yes, but they're still pages
as well, and you can add content to them just like you would to any
other page.

For example, take Category:Mathematics on the English Wikipedia[1];
there is a list of sub-categories on that page, as well as a list of
articles, but there's also some text above that, a link to the
Mathematics portal and a link to the Wikimedia Commons for media files
related to mathematics, and - last not least - a number of category
links for categories that the Mathematics category is a sub-category
of, such as Category:Logic, Category:Structure and others.

What you put on a category page is really up to you, but making a
category part of another category is pretty standard, I think, and
helps establish a hierarchy of categories.

I'm not sure if there's any further documentation, but the English
Wikipedia's project page on categorization[2] might be helpful,
although chances are parts of it will be specific to Wikipedia.

1. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Category%3AMathematics
2. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia%3ACategorization

--
schnee

_______________________________________________
MediaWiki-l mailing list
MediaWiki-l [at] lists
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

annew at kde

Nov 23, 2009, 10:43 AM

Post #7 of 10 (949 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

On Monday 23 November 2009 18:01:38 Schneelocke wrote:
> Hello Anne,
>
> > Thanks for answering, Schnee
>
> You're quite welcome!
>
> > So when I click on it, I see a page that lists all the pages in the
> > category, with an empty edit panel. What is it expecting me to add to
> > that page? Is there some documentation other than Help:Category? I'm
> > still studying that, but so far haven't found anything that explains
> > this. I thought it was just the dynamically created list.
>
> Categories are dynamically created lists, yes, but they're still pages
> as well, and you can add content to them just like you would to any
> other page.
>
> For example, take Category:Mathematics on the English Wikipedia[1];
> there is a list of sub-categories on that page, as well as a list of
> articles, but there's also some text above that, a link to the
> Mathematics portal and a link to the Wikimedia Commons for media files
> related to mathematics, and - last not least - a number of category
> links for categories that the Mathematics category is a sub-category
> of, such as Category:Logic, Category:Structure and others.
>
> What you put on a category page is really up to you, but making a
> category part of another category is pretty standard, I think, and
> helps establish a hierarchy of categories.
>
> I'm not sure if there's any further documentation, but the English
> Wikipedia's project page on categorization[2] might be helpful,
> although chances are parts of it will be specific to Wikipedia.
>
> 1. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Category%3AMathematics
> 2.
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia%3ACategorization
>
Thanks for all that. It's going to be very useful, I think. For the moment
I've just added a very short description of the intention of that category.
I'll add more information when either reading more docs prompts, or when my
attempts at setting logical categories develop further. Now I know there is
no specific purpose there, I can develop it as seems best at the time.

Thanks again

Anne
--
KDE Community Working Group
New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

Attachments:

signature.asc (0.19 KB)

schneelocke at gmail

Nov 23, 2009, 11:17 AM

Post #8 of 10 (949 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

Hello Anne,

> Thanks for all that. It's going to be very useful, I think. For the moment
> I've just added a very short description of the intention of that category.
> I'll add more information when either reading more docs prompts, or when my
> attempts at setting logical categories develop further. Now I know there is
> no specific purpose there, I can develop it as seems best at the time.
>
> Thanks again

You're very welcome!

--
schnee

_______________________________________________
MediaWiki-l mailing list
MediaWiki-l [at] lists
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

dev at rlyehable

Nov 23, 2009, 5:45 PM

Post #9 of 10 (941 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

This is actually correct.

If you click on the red category, it gives you the option of explaining
the category. I usually add:

==Usage==
This category is for articles relating to ...

It also allows you to create sub-categories. On a category "quadrunner"
category page put:

==Usage==
This category is for articles relating to quadrunners.

[[category:vehicle]]

This puts the category "quadrunner" as a sub-category of the category
"vehicle". This is very useful in my opinion.

- Bri

Anne Wilson wrote:
> ...I find that, putting the category statement at the end of the page, I actually
> see "Category: Getting Started" at the place I entered it. What's more,
> 'Getting Started' is red, like an un-created page, although clicking on it
> does take me to the category's listing.
>
> Further on in the wiki it says to add a colon, as
>
> [[:Category:Getting Started]]
>
> but that results in the whole statement turning into a red link.
>
> What do I need to do to correct this?
>
> Anne

_______________________________________________
MediaWiki-l mailing list
MediaWiki-l [at] lists
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

annew at kde

Nov 24, 2009, 5:01 AM

Post #10 of 10 (926 views)
Permalink

Re: First adventures with Category [In reply to]

On Tuesday 24 November 2009 01:45:41 Bri wrote:
> This is actually correct.
>
> If you click on the red category, it gives you the option of explaining
> the category. I usually add:
>
> ==Usage==
> This category is for articles relating to ...
>
>
>
> It also allows you to create sub-categories. On a category "quadrunner"
> category page put:
>
> ==Usage==
> This category is for articles relating to quadrunners.
>
> [[category:vehicle]]
>
> This puts the category "quadrunner" as a sub-category of the category
> "vehicle". This is very useful in my opinion.
>
Thanks for the tip. I'm sure it will be useful

Anne
--
KDE Community Working Group
New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

Attachments:

signature.asc (0.19 KB)

Index | Next | Previous | View Threaded

Interested in having your list archived? Contact Gossamer Threads